How to burn kdvd?
 

Hello. I have been encoding kvcd and burning them for some time and have been getting great results. I have found some movies to not fit on one cd so i have encoded them to kdvd in hopes of getting them on one disc. I am not sure what settings to use in nero to burn them though. Also, can i make a bin cue file for this in vcdgear or vcdeasy?

Hi phuquehair,

I suggest you get TMPGEnc DVD Author, as it will make things very easy :)
You just open your encoded file with the program's wizard, and it will automatically create the VOBs and the necessary DVD structure, and it will also burn the image for you.

-kwag

tyvm. here is a quote from the program:TMPGEnc DVD Author is software that can change (author) your MPEG-1/2 files to DVD-Video format. You can author MPEG-1/2 files based on the DVD standard, from either DVD-Video made by a DVD recorder, or video captured on a PC. So, does this mean you can also burn a bunch of kvcd onto one dvd-r also and have it play on a dvd player? I was under the impression, from what others have told me, that it is impossible to do.

i guess i should have looked into it first b4 posting. Looks like it is impossible within the program.

It is possible :!:
As long as you re-encode the audio to 48Khz, you can put MPEG-1s (352x240) on a DVD and also your MPEG-2 files, if the resolution is not standard, you can use "DVD Patcher" to fool the authoring program, so it can import the files.
However, the patching hack is not guaranteed to play on every DVD player.

-kwag

If you plan to do a lot of KDVD, I suggest you to take time to learn how to use DVDLabPro insteed of doing that. You will have a lot of new possibilities that tmpeng author does not offer.

ok i will look for that one also. I think i will only be doing kdvd on the movies that are too long to look good on kvcd 352x240. I have only run into a few such as Magnolia, Lord of the rings (all 3), and meet Joe Black so far. I actually haven't done the encodes yet but they are in the batch list and coming up fast. From what I understand, it takes a lot more time to encode to kdvd and if that is the case, I will be avoiding it as much as possible.

No offense but I can't understand someone can choose to encode in 352x240 insteed of 704x480 just for a matter of encodign time !

The visual difference in the result is the same than between a VHS and a DVD.

With KDVD you can put 4 hours on a disc in 704x480, 6 in 352x480 and 10 in 352x240.

well i have only been doing kvcd so far. I have encoded over 300 movies in kvcd format. The mpg filsizes are all kept betweeen 700-813 mb. I can keep them al on my hard drives. If i was to encode them all to kdvd i believe the file sizes would be much larger and also i have not kept all the sources. It would take me forever to catch up. Also, CDs are half the price of DVD. I see your point but I have all these factors to consider.

Of course. Personnaly I put 3 movie on a DVD in 544x480 so each movie is near 1300 MB (near 2x more than for a KVCD). You can imagine how much better is the quality (it's like doing a 2CD KVCD).

I do not speak about redoing what you already did of course :-). But for future jobs.

#1 - On a DVD you can put at least three movie, so the content of 3 CD.
#2 - You should look better. DVD are now cheaper than CD. At least in europe (I just bought a 100 pieces cackebox for 28 euros, that is less than 45 US$).
Price is not an argument :-)

i will see how these encodes go and the burning process and take it from there, I suppose. As I said, this will be the first kdvd I have done. I hope it doesn't take like 8 hours for an encode.

Where? I need it.

In Germany. UK prices are a little more but you can save on the shipping.

http://www.cdr-by-mail.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
http://www.nierle4.com/s01.php?cur=eur&sp=sp&ag=1
http://www.dvdrohlinge24.com/catalog/default.php

The box I bought is http://www.dvdrohlinge24.com/catalog...roducts_id/516
(Be carefull : these are Princo-Budget. They are not the same the the shitty Budget, also yellow, sold on the site)

How many units do you need to buy in a way tha buying there to be worth.

i can find deals like that all over in Michigan but I can also find CD-R at $20 for 2-50 packs. So the price is les than half that of dvd.

I hope I am doing the right thing by setting inverse telcine for kdvd. I use it all the time for kvcd but am unsure of the results in kdvd. The sources are non-interlace so I think it should be ok. Also, I posted in another topic the question of what setting to use for merging kvcd in TMPGenc. I figure someone could answer both questions right here easier than flopping around the site.

The shipping is generally for up to 12 kilos. So the more you buy, the cheaper it is. A 50 pieces cakebox weigh 1 kilogramm. So 12kg = 600 DVD.

!!!
Why the hell do you use that if the source is progressive ?
The best situation is just a time loss (tmpgenc tried to apply a filter where it is not necesarry).
The worst situation : you are completly screwing the field order by trying to restore something that never existed. Are you skilled enought in this domain to be sure that your result is not completly screwed simply by watching it ?

Inverse telecine has to be used on telecined source only of course !

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Have you tested these dvd?
They are good?
When I have begun to burn dvd I used the princo 4x white and after numerous problems I have understood that it was the support that was not good.
When it came reproduced the final part of the film began the problems.

Have you of these problems in the dvd that you have bought?

after I have used the dvd fujifilm and sometimes it did not read them. Now I use verbatim 8x on whichever standalone and I do not have more problems.

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I burnt a dozen of them in video and a couple in data. Not a single bad sector after burning (all in 4x).

On the same site they sold some times ago anynoym DVD for half the price of Verbatim but they were verbatim ! (same ID code).
Read carefully the details of each product, they indicate the ID. Sometimes you can have good surprises.

Note: Boulder and Inc reported a lot of problems with 8x verbatim... you see...

well, I tell you, I have been using inverse telecine in every non interlaced film that is 29.97fps and 30fps also. I have had a result of getting much better quality since doing so. I took two encodes of the same film and tried to encode them both to under 813 mb mpg. one i did with inverse telecine and the other without. The one that I did not use inverse telecine on needed to be dropped down to a 300 min and 1800 max and a cq level below 60 to fit on the cd. the one that i did inverse telecine was able to raise to 500 min and 2500 max with a cq level of 75. the difference in picture was astounding. I have been using it ever since. I still look at my old encodes and find that I wish I had done it back then also.Most of my encodes now are done at 500 min and 2500 max and a cq of 80 give or take a few. As for me being skilled enough to see if my movie is srrewed. well i offered to send u a clip of one of my encodes b4 and u never said ok. I guess u will never know bout that till u see one. I think they are great and so do the other people who watch them with me. They cannot believe that they are watching it from one cd. Hell, they even look great on my buddy's 50 inch hdtv. And these are the 352x240 kvcd i am speaking of.

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Unfortunately some manufacturers forge the media code so that can't be trusted all the time. If the disc is cheap and you see a very good brand media code, it's most likely a fake. It's a good idea to Google a bit, or visit cdfreaks.com to see if there's any additional information regarding the brand you're considering.

The next media I'll buy will be manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. They can be found at less than 1 euro per disc which is not a bad price at all when you think about the fact that TY probably produces the best media at the moment. MCC003, which is the 8x Verbatim, is not that good compared to MCC002 which was used in the 4x discs. The 4x discs actually burn better at 8x than at their advertised speed :lol:

ok, so i tried to open the file i created in tmpgenc dvd author. The program gave the following msg: You cannot use 16:9 video aspect ratio for resolution 352x480; and also this one:The video framerate 24 fps cannot be used for a standard dvd.
Do I have to encode it differently?

I must have to do something differently cuz i just opened it in dvdlabpro and got the same error msg. I guess I cannot do inverse telecine for kdvd. I just don't know what pulldown to put in for aspect ratio. Mebbe 4:3 or 1:1 VGA?

Pulldown has nothing to do with aspect ratio. You must run pulldown on the 23.976fps video so that it's flagged properly and thus runs at 29.97fps.

What comes to the aspect ratio, I would encode in 4:3 if the resolution was that low.

i am doing that right now. I also tossed out the inverse telcine. I ran test file and already it looks better in media player. When i did it in 16:9, it looked squished down a little bit. Now It looks fine.

Man, you are doing a great mistake there !
Either your sources are progressive and inverse telecine screw them all, or they are telecined and then they are interlaced
As 99% of the DVD are pulled down (so interlaced !), then you are right in using inverse telecine on them but it is not the much convenient way to proceed.
It's far more efficient and faster to use "Force film" in DVD2AVI (or DGIndex).

Because I do not need to ! What is before and what was in all other threads show that very often you don't know what you are speaking about. In this present case, you are just using wrong words but doing good things, that lead to correct result. But trust me : if you were using inverse telecine on really progressive sources, your result would have been crappy.

And I repeat that this kind of stuff can't be as good as my 544x480 KVCD or my 704x480 KDVD. This is what you continuously interpret as "your stuff are crap", even if that is not what I'm telling.

Can you understand that "a DVD is better than a VHS" does not mean that "a VHS is not good" ? This is the same.

Offer to your friends to see a "real" (544x480) KVCD or a KDVD done with a correct script and all stuff (that takes time ) and I promise you will see if they are true friends : if they tell you your old stuffes are as good, then they are not really friends :D

Unfortunally that is true. We often forget that. For this resolution DVD accepts only 4:3 :-(.
As boulder says, this is fixed but using pulldown.exe on the stream (or usign "3:2 pulldown during playback" as encoding mode in tmpgenc insteed of "interlace" or "progressive".

I am certain that u are correct about how much better yours are at that resolution. But, Can they fit on one cd? If so then please fill me in on how to achieve this. i would love to get better results but as I said I have no knowledge of scripts. I am a beginner at this, as you know. I did my first kvcd only 3 months ago if not less. I have not seen any better kvcd than my own. I actually joined a group of encoders and found out how to do it better than them within a month. They only use the default cq and and one of them thinks his are kvcd when he uses tmpgenc 3.0 (pure garbage that does not work on my dvd player). Anyway, I value your opinion but I must say my encodes have improved drastically in the 3 months I have been encoding. I would like to learn about scripts and see how far they can take me.

YES !
That is the purpose of the KVCD concept ! To put a movie up to 2 hours, in 544x480, on a disc !

Use a script; and read some guides. This is not the first time I tell you that I think ;)

I know but we can't do miracles. Better things without script are fantasies :)

I know, and it is time to try to go a little bit further.

You can surely find a lot of samples provided here by Karl. Else someone with better memories than me can give you a link to download them.

I don't have any doubt about this.

Did you at least try or do you just drop the thing thinking it's too hard for you ? I'm quite sure you can handle it easily if you just put the finger in the stuff.

I have not seen that template. When Using Scripts, how can you determine which movie needs what script. As I have found when I use video arrange method to get the right size of picture, I find that every movie has a diffent size. The main when using 352x240 resolution are: 352x172, 352x144, and 352x240. and every once in a while 352x183 or 352x200 is necessary. But I see you use cropping instead of video arrange method in your scripts, I believe. Also, Don't cq levels come into play still? I cannot get movistacker anymore either, since it has been on hold. That is one of the reasons I never got very far with the scripting.

What template 8O
This issue is not template related :!:
You have to use file size prediction :!:
That's the reason I created CQMatic in the first place.
Go to the file prediction forum and the CQMatic forum and read there. :)

-kwag

Actually, as you are not dealing with DVD, you can take my scripts for "other kind of source" and use them "as it" ! All is taken in charge by the script.
(provided you have all plugins installed for avisynth, as told in the instructions I give) :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7223

ok, hold on one second. I meant I never saw a 544x480 template.
Also, I tried to use cqmatic along with calcumatic like 6 times and every time I did, it came up with a cq level that brought the file size way over the size i asked it to give me. Like I set it to do an 80 minute cd and the filesize it came up with would be like 860 mb. I tried then to set it for 700 mb just to see what would happen and it came up with something like 850 mb. I tried getting help in the forum for it but none of the suggestions worked for me. Mybe I need to start all the way over with that also.

I have another issue now though. i just encoded all the lord of the rings movies in 352x288 resolution kdvd. Well, they are all at 30 fps and cannot be used for dvd with tmpgenc dvdauthor or dvdlabpro. Is there a way I can fix this without re-encoding them?

544x480 is the official resolution of KVCD and it is called KVCDx3. The template has the same name.

This is also because of the nature of your sources. For some obvious reason, CQMatic is more accurate on DVD.

That is what I call "not knowing what you are speaking about" : you used a PAL resolution with a NTSC fps. This is a no way.
But you can try the new tool DGPulldown (look for it on Doom9 forum) that can change the 30 into 25 but if your electronic can't handle PAL, then your are stuck.

My bad. The above was a mistype. I actually encoded at 352x480 resolution kdvd halfd1. Anyway, the problem is the same. Both programs say that the fps must be 29.97 to work properly. They cannot use 30 fps from what they are telling me.

I just got dgpulldown and I don't see a spot for 30fps-29.976. I bet you know of something else that can help.

How did you even get a 30fps video? The NTSC standard is 29.97fps, which any program should know.

Oh boy. There is a custom setting. Woohoo! gonna give it a shot. Wish me luck. lol

It must not be too uncommon. TMPGenc has settings for fps ranging from 23.976 all the way to 60.