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07-14-2003, 10:55 PM
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Kwag, one silly request: Would it be possible to open a threat asking the members to detail their set up? I can think of a couple of instances in which this info may be useable, particularly as an aid to troubleshooting problems.
Hey totonho03,

Just my $0.02 on your idea: It sounds like a pretty good idea, but rather than doing it in a thread (which many people might not see), maybe it might be better if Kwag added some space for this info into the User Profile? That way, every time someone posts about something that might possibly be system-related, all you would have to do is click on the Profile button that appears in the header of one their posts to quickly view their system specs. Seems a bit easier that way than starting a long thread devoted specifically to system specs....in thread form, a person would need to scroll through every single user's post in that thread until they found the specific user's post that they wanted to see and compare specs with.

Still a good troubleshooting idea though totonho03! I don't know how easy or difficult this might be for Kwag to implement into the board though Perhaps a new separate "System Specs" button rather than just using the "Profile" button might make it even more clear for people to see/use? I don't know that there's really that much need for this, but it certainly couldn't hurt anything! (and could turn out to be quite handy for troubleshooting Q&A's...heck, some people may just enjoy bragging about their systems a bit too! ).

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Thanks for your response d&c.

Your idea sounds very good. What I was going to do was to try to transfer this info into an excel sheet, and then with it you can sorted by equipment, OS, etc, etc.

Do not know how much this idea will be used, and if it is not going to be used at all, then the amount of work that this will create will go to waste........
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07-14-2003, 11:42 PM
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Otto,
you ask me:
"What is your set up? I am sure that you have already mentioned, but I was wondering if you are using -R or +R discs. Does it make any sense to try this with +r gear? "

i only try one dvd-r that my friend send to me.
i try the adjusts in nero like Paul0889 post
but my Acer is "blind" for dvds and the Sansung of my friend is "blind" too.
my friend have Pioneer dvd burner and we check the media before tests.
i'm using win98se and he is using XPsp1!
tomorrow i call my friend again to send all dvd medias models!

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07-15-2003, 01:26 PM
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Here is what I think and I am not saying your wrong Paul. But I think it is more reasonable that all you did is and extreme overburn. I think that because CD-r's and DVD-r's drives lasers are made of a different size, there both made in nm(nanometers) which are extremly small, and Since DVD-r's are about 6.87 times the size the laser has to be 6.87 times smaller then CD-r drives. Also it would be easy to overburn a DVD-r since the technology in it is much more advance and would be able to withstand more. I do have a question for you Paul what program you use and if I can ask can you try using Nero and close the wizard, click recorder, medium-info and at the top right of the Disc info look at the available space(I got a feeling its going to say 90min). Give that a try again not saying your wrong but in technological terms it just isn't possible.
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dream is over



only Paul0889 got results?









hey Paul0889, do you "sale" your burner?
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07-22-2003, 01:06 PM
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Paul I want to know your results. I just want to know if what you have done is possible or you made a mistake (thatís ok if you made a mistake we all make mistakes I know I have). Also I could have been a fluke made by GCE giving you a CD burner that is capable of doing that. I am sorry to say but I truly don't think a CD burner is capable of burring DVD's.

Be glad to here from you,
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07-25-2003, 02:57 PM
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Why can you record more information on a Blank DVDR disc than on a CD-R disc?
The extra capacity of a DVD-R disc comes from smaller track pitch and smaller data marks (pits). The track pitch on a 3.95 GB DVD-R disc is 0.8 microns, one-half the track pitch of a CD-R. The track pitch on a 4.7 GB disc is 0.74 microns. Hardware changes in the recorders allow the creation of data marks approximately one-half the size of those made on CD-R media (0.40 microns versus 0.834 microns). The recording laser's wavelength and focusing lens' numerical aperture were changed. Because of this, a CD-R/CD-RW drive cannot be used to write DVD-R media. Additionally, DVD-R substrates are injection molded to one-half the thickness of a CD-R. Two DVD-R substrates are bonded together creating multiple recording surfaces.
You cannot make a DVD on a CDR. You can make an SVCD with DVD params on a CDR but no matter what you cannot make a DVD disk. Sorry.
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07-25-2003, 03:27 PM
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Why can you record more information on a Blank DVDR disc than on a CD-R disc?
The extra capacity of a DVD-R disc comes from smaller track pitch and smaller data marks (pits). The track pitch on a 3.95 GB DVD-R disc is 0.8 microns, one-half the track pitch of a CD-R. The track pitch on a 4.7 GB disc is 0.74 microns. Hardware changes in the recorders allow the creation of data marks approximately one-half the size of those made on CD-R media (0.40 microns versus 0.834 microns). The recording laser's wavelength and focusing lens' numerical aperture were changed. Because of this, a CD-R/CD-RW drive cannot be used to write DVD-R media. Additionally, DVD-R substrates are injection molded to one-half the thickness of a CD-R. Two DVD-R substrates are bonded together creating multiple recording surfaces.
Ya thats kind of what I said here
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Here is what I think and I am not saying your wrong Paul. But I think it is more reasonable that all you did is and extreme overburn. I think that because CD-r's and DVD-r's drives lasers are made of a different size, there both made in nm(nanometers) which are extremly small, and Since DVD-r's are about 6.87 times the size the laser has to be 6.87 times smaller then CD-r drives. Also it would be easy to overburn a DVD-r since the technology in it is much more advance and would be able to withstand more. I do have a question for you Paul what program you use and if I can ask can you try using Nero and close the wizard, click recorder, medium-info and at the top right of the Disc info look at the available space(I got a feeling its going to say 90min). Give that a try again not saying your wrong but in technological terms it just isn't possible.
I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't completely wrong so I didn't look like and @ss so I said I could be wrong. Thanks reman for getting exact details.
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07-25-2003, 03:36 PM
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trying to turn it all clear:

i think that everybody know that a cd burner can't burn a dvd.
but Paul0889 post that he got this results!
and with big details.
eletronic is my work for 30 years and i know how it all works
we give great atention cos he was impressive posting his
"incredibles" results giving big details.
than everybody test it trying to got the same and now
we all think that it was a great mistake of Paul0889.
maybe he have a combo or...who knows?!?!?!?
is not clear


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07-25-2003, 04:04 PM
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Here is what I think and I am not saying your wrong Paul. But I think it is more reasonable that all you did is and extreme overburn. I think that because CD-r's and DVD-r's drives lasers are made of a different size, there both made in nm(nanometers) which are extremly small, and Since DVD-r's are about 6.87 times the size the laser has to be 6.87 times smaller then CD-r drives. Also it would be easy to overburn a DVD-r since the technology in it is much more advance and would be able to withstand more. I do have a question for you Paul what program you use and if I can ask can you try using Nero and close the wizard, click recorder, medium-info and at the top right of the Disc info look at the available space(I got a feeling its going to say 90min). Give that a try again not saying your wrong but in technological terms it just isn't possible.
I think all he did was an extreme overburn. 1.2 gb is possible especial if the cd burner thought the dvd was a cd and again since dvd is more dense it would be easier to overburn. Also he could lie about it, but I don't think paul is that type of man to carry on a 2 page lie.
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07-25-2003, 04:17 PM
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he could lie about it?

i don't think...for me is a mistake

is impossible a cdr burner do the job cos everything is different
in the media,in the burner,in the laser beam,in the tracks...everything
my poor english can' t help me to put the technical explanations!
the laser beam work different for each case.
sorry, i can't find the right works to write.

see that some (means lots) of cdr burners, can't see more than 700mb
and don't acept cds with 90 or 99 minutes,than,
is impossible read the media with more than 4gbs
with more tracks in the same space.....right?

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07-25-2003, 04:34 PM
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I think I get what you said. The thing is the CD burner or a CD-ROM can't change the size of the laser to read a disk the size of a DVD. When you overburn a CD all you are doing is squeezing more data at the end. Thatís why DVD players can't read an overburn CD because the laser can't reach far enough to read the end data so it acts like there is no more data ending the movie earlier. I don't know how media is made on a CD or DVD so I can't tell you whatís the difference between a 90 min and an 80 min. I could be wrong but I am giving you my best guess which I pretty sure I am right.

Also Jorel I know what it's like with bad grammar and spelling since I am still in high school, but what I found out what is good is using a program like MS word or even email to correct my spelling and grammar.
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07-25-2003, 04:48 PM
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again my friend ak47,sorry my horrible english!


are you still in high school?
great, i never did a high school...

but i try to turn it more complicated:
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do you know any cdr burner that can read vobs and or ac3

please answer:
yes or no and why?
when you answer this questions, you will know why it don't work

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07-25-2003, 05:14 PM
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Yes I am going to be a senior next year in high school which mean's its my last year of it. I am doing a program in HS that teaches stuff about computers so I can get certification like A+ and next year Net+. So I try to help people on this website as much as I can because that's going to be my future job (well itís more of trouble shooting hardware and OS). But the question you asked about a CD burner can read vobs and ac3 is yes, because all you need to do is make the vob or the ac3 file small enough to fit on a CD-R making you able to read it. I know a lot of people get thing confused about things like that. I know people that think a CD burner can't read divx, it just depends on how large the file(s) is, all divx is, is it's just a type of format. So technically all CD-R burners can read any format it just it has to fit on a CD-R.
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ok,
i will send to you a little vob to you burn and read in your cdr
burner or dvd player!
after this please,post your results.

wait a few hours,i'm doing tests with CQMatic now.

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07-25-2003, 06:02 PM
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i was thinking in this idea, then i ask you ak47:


you wrote:
"all CD-R burners can read any format it just it has to fit on a CD-R."


means that if one dvd have 4 gbs and i mix and cut the vobs
using progs like vobedit and ifoedit, cut in 5 sizes with 800mb
for each size and burn in 5 cdrs in cdr burner,
my cdrburner and my dvd player will play it?

if yes,is a great idea cos 5 cdrs for one great movie with extreme
quality(means..like the original) will be fantastic.
the result will be:
great sound,great image and not too big size comparing
with very good svcds in 3 cds using cce for example.
for this case for me is use of "no sense" to make 3 svcds,don't?

why "break the head" making scripts,time to encode,
adjust the system with big and boring details,
bitrates,encoders,audio encoders,tons of lectures,
to loose quality in 3 svcds if with 5 cdrs with vobs you
got the best without all this work

i'm only doing questions to remove doubts, ok?
nothing fight with you my friend, you're welcome

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07-25-2003, 06:03 PM
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Here are the datas about this LG-Burner LGEUSA.COM.

I still don't belive it!!!! Did You overburn or what. In Nero You can only setup DVD if You have a DVD-Burner inside... I do have one! Something is wrong here.

Here the differences about DVD and CD:

Aufbau einer DVD und CD

How it Work's: CD

Technical Guide DVD

I think You took a DVD-R or? ...

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07-25-2003, 06:05 PM
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May I say a word ? Yes ? Cool...

CD Burner do not read Divx nor Vob, nor even SVCD. They just read 0 and 1. That is the computer that receive this 0 and 1 that know you what they represent.

So Jorel, you CD burner is abble to read Vob or ac3 as soon as they are burned on the medium in a way the computer will be abble to understand them !

If you put a Vob file "as it" on a DVD-R, your DVD won't be abble to read it either ! You have to respect the structure of a DVD video : video_ts directrory, audio_ts directory...
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07-25-2003, 06:45 PM
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thanks Phil and Avalon!

i know,i know..... for this reason i did that questions

as i wrote in the other post is
impossible burn in cdr burner one dvd.
if all players can play everything,why build differents players?
one for cdr-w, another for dvds,.etc,etc.
i work with eletronics for more than 30 years,
i am a technic eletronic.....is my job
i know how it works in structure.....
hey, was hard to find this in the dictionary.

this is the problem for me,explain it all in english.

see the result when you try to burn a dvd in cdr burner:



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07-25-2003, 07:23 PM
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Well I got a question now when you buy a DVD-R does it have anything on it already (Like lining for the burner to fit in pit between each row of bits). Cause I thought when you buy a DVD-R all it is, is some type of plastic with a type of lead that is really strong, just like a CD-R, but with more strength to hold more data in.

Is that better
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