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kwag 07-13-2004 05:50 PM

Python on Nokia Series 60 handsets
 
Will be using Python :D

http://www.mobilewhack.com/programmi...reenshots.html

-kwag

Zyphon 07-13-2004 06:01 PM

Nice post Karl, I was looking into learning Python as it's an up and coming programming language. :)

Dialhot 07-13-2004 06:10 PM

With a "pain in the ass"-er syntax based on indentation spaces !

Forget ONE space and your program won't compile :-(

PERL Rulez ! :-D

kwag 07-13-2004 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
With a "pain in the ass"-er syntax based on indentation spaces !

It's a beauty, once you get used to it :cool: (I did ;))
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Forget ONE space and your program won't compile :-(
Use IDLE, BOA, or Active State Python editor, and the indentation is automatic ;)
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PERL Rulez ! :-D
Perl SUCKS :!: :P :lol:
Write a program today, next month you can't tell what you wrote.
And you can read about all the commercial success stories on Python here:
http://pythonology.org/success

(No wonder NOKIA decided to do their future developments in Python, and trash PERL :cool: )
If you feel I'm biased towards Python, you're right :lol:
That's because to me, it has also been a success in several of my commercial projects ;)

-kwag

Zyphon 07-14-2004 04:55 AM

I to am a big fan of Python especially after a friend of mine recommended it to me, I think it is going to be a very powerful tool for programming.

Dialhot 07-14-2004 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kwag
Perl SUCKS :!: :P :lol:
Write a program today, next month you can't tell what you wrote.

I forgot to tell that I am a PERL master designer since 5 years now :-)
I use to maintain a program for ALCATEL that counted several thousands lines. And a well commented software can be reopned 1 year after with no problem :-)

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And you can read about all the commercial success stories on Python here:
http://pythonology.org/success
I also forgot to tell that last month I fixed bug in a python program and next task is to redesign it entirely in PERL to integrate it to the whole programm designed by our team in Ottawa. Python LOC = 500. Estimated PERL LOC for the same task : 200/300. With comments ! :-)

I work for Nortel Networks now and all is done in PERL.

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(No wonder NOKIA decided to do their future developments in Python, and trash PERL :cool: )
And do you know the true story behind this ?
Let's resume : Alcaltel use PERL, Nortel Networks use PERL... Nokia trashes PERL...

Not-interoperability systems... do you understand ? That is not a technical choice, that is only business. They did that on purpose.

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If you feel I'm biased towards Python, you're right :lol:
That's because to me, it has also been a success in several of my commercial projects ;)
PERL is a commercial succes since a lot longer :-D

kwag 07-14-2004 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
PERL is a commercial succes since a lot longer :-D

And Python has had a much larger and faster success than PERL in a much shorter time.
It's all about "clear syntax", and a cleaner language, which PERL heavily lacks.
It's a matter of time, and more companies using PERL will switch. ;)

Just take a look at Johnson Space Center (NASA), where Python is now their choice for scripting language. ;)

And about large scale projects in PERL? Well, I don't agree, even if it's heavily documented.
PERL's syntax compared to Python, is like comparing C to BASIC :lol:
And that is a maintenance nightmare.
(And I'm not kidding :!:)

-kwag

Dialhot 07-14-2004 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kwag
And that is a maintenance nightmare.
(And I'm not kidding :!:)

It's wrong and I'm not kidding too :-)
I do know PERL and my job. All is matter of good policy and coding rules. Whatever the langage (PERL or Python is the same : you can do shit with both :-P).

Between the python script and the next perl task I'm involved into a Java GUI enhancement. THAT is a real nightmare :-)

kwag 07-14-2004 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot
I do know PERL and my job. All is matter of good policy and coding rules.

Sure, but readability is a very precious thing, and the larger the application written in PERL, the more complex and un-maintainable it gets. That's an industry fact :!:
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Whatever the langage (PERL or Python is the same : you can do sh*t with both :-P).
Yes, but PERL just doesn't scale. Python scales far beyond C/C++ and others ;)
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Between the python script and the next perl task I'm involved into a Java GUI enhancement. THAT is a real nightmare :-)
Yes indeed :lol:
So, why don't you just program your GUI in Jython, which targets Java byte code directly, and you don't have to worry about Java's nightmare :?: :idea: ;)
www.jython.org
This way, you can use the power of Python's syntax with ALL the standard Java classes/libraries.

-kwag

Dialhot 07-14-2004 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag
So, why don't you just program your GUI in Jython, which targets Java byte code directly, and you don't have to worry about Java's nightmare :?: :idea: ;)

I didn't know it :-).
In fact as I tell you I'm currently enhancing a Java GUI that was already coded by other team.

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www.jython.org
This way, you can use the power of Python's syntax with ALL the standard Java classes/libraries.
I'll study that for the next step then. Because currently the idea is to redo all the stuff in... PERL/TK :-D


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