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Will be using Python

http://www.mobilewhack.com/programmi...reenshots.html

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Nice post Karl, I was looking into learning Python as it's an up and coming programming language.
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With a "pain in the ass"-er syntax based on indentation spaces !

Forget ONE space and your program won't compile

PERL Rulez !
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07-13-2004, 09:45 PM
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With a "pain in the ass"-er syntax based on indentation spaces !
It's a beauty, once you get used to it (I did )
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Forget ONE space and your program won't compile
Use IDLE, BOA, or Active State Python editor, and the indentation is automatic
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PERL Rulez !
Perl SUCKS :P
Write a program today, next month you can't tell what you wrote.
And you can read about all the commercial success stories on Python here:
http://pythonology.org/success

(No wonder NOKIA decided to do their future developments in Python, and trash PERL )
If you feel I'm biased towards Python, you're right
That's because to me, it has also been a success in several of my commercial projects

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07-14-2004, 04:55 AM
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I to am a big fan of Python especially after a friend of mine recommended it to me, I think it is going to be a very powerful tool for programming.
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07-14-2004, 07:45 AM
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Perl SUCKS :P
Write a program today, next month you can't tell what you wrote.
I forgot to tell that I am a PERL master designer since 5 years now
I use to maintain a program for ALCATEL that counted several thousands lines. And a well commented software can be reopned 1 year after with no problem

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I also forgot to tell that last month I fixed bug in a python program and next task is to redesign it entirely in PERL to integrate it to the whole programm designed by our team in Ottawa. Python LOC = 500. Estimated PERL LOC for the same task : 200/300. With comments !

I work for Nortel Networks now and all is done in PERL.

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(No wonder NOKIA decided to do their future developments in Python, and trash PERL )
And do you know the true story behind this ?
Let's resume : Alcaltel use PERL, Nortel Networks use PERL... Nokia trashes PERL...

Not-interoperability systems... do you understand ? That is not a technical choice, that is only business. They did that on purpose.

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That's because to me, it has also been a success in several of my commercial projects
PERL is a commercial succes since a lot longer
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07-14-2004, 10:12 AM
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PERL is a commercial succes since a lot longer
And Python has had a much larger and faster success than PERL in a much shorter time.
It's all about "clear syntax", and a cleaner language, which PERL heavily lacks.
It's a matter of time, and more companies using PERL will switch.

Just take a look at Johnson Space Center (NASA), where Python is now their choice for scripting language.

And about large scale projects in PERL? Well, I don't agree, even if it's heavily documented.
PERL's syntax compared to Python, is like comparing C to BASIC
And that is a maintenance nightmare.
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07-14-2004, 10:27 AM
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And that is a maintenance nightmare.
(And I'm not kidding )
It's wrong and I'm not kidding too
I do know PERL and my job. All is matter of good policy and coding rules. Whatever the langage (PERL or Python is the same : you can do shit with both ).

Between the python script and the next perl task I'm involved into a Java GUI enhancement. THAT is a real nightmare
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I do know PERL and my job. All is matter of good policy and coding rules.
Sure, but readability is a very precious thing, and the larger the application written in PERL, the more complex and un-maintainable it gets. That's an industry fact
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Whatever the langage (PERL or Python is the same : you can do sh*t with both ).
Yes, but PERL just doesn't scale. Python scales far beyond C/C++ and others
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Between the python script and the next perl task I'm involved into a Java GUI enhancement. THAT is a real nightmare
Yes indeed
So, why don't you just program your GUI in Jython, which targets Java byte code directly, and you don't have to worry about Java's nightmare
www.jython.org
This way, you can use the power of Python's syntax with ALL the standard Java classes/libraries.

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07-14-2004, 05:30 PM
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So, why don't you just program your GUI in Jython, which targets Java byte code directly, and you don't have to worry about Java's nightmare
I didn't know it .
In fact as I tell you I'm currently enhancing a Java GUI that was already coded by other team.

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This way, you can use the power of Python's syntax with ALL the standard Java classes/libraries.
I'll study that for the next step then. Because currently the idea is to redo all the stuff in... PERL/TK
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