KVCD Predictor - Page 6

SansGrip · #**101** 11-23-2002, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kwag

I know I am going to bed

It's 4:00AM here

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Good night ( or morning

) everyone

What?? You mean you can SLEEP... at a time like THIS??

Just kidding. Have a good one

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nicksteel · #**102** 11-23-2002, 08:27 AM

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SansGrip · #**103** 11-23-2002, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nicksteel

Can I run Predictor on 98se, and if so, what extra files do I need (MSCOREE.DLL, etc)?

You'll need the Microsoft .NET runtime, which can be downloaded from Windows Update.

nicksteel · #**104** 11-23-2002, 10:57 AM

Is this the 20meg plus file they list?

nicksteel · #**105** 11-23-2002, 11:23 AM

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SansGrip · #**106** 11-23-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nicksteel

I've downloaded the .NET RUNTIME. How do I install? I get error message asking me to set registery key to point to NET framework install location.

That's strange. Did you get it from Windows Update?

nicksteel · #**107** 11-23-2002, 03:10 PM

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kwag · #**108** 11-23-2002, 03:24 PM

Hi nicksteel,

You can't use TMPEG's wizards with CQ or CQ_VBR encoding modes. Download FitCD, which has the file prediction script to encode your sample, and then use SansGrip's KVCDPredictor program to calculate your sample size.
Get it here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1369

-kwag

rendalunit · #**109** 11-23-2002, 03:25 PM

If you're encoding with CBR mode then you don't need to use the KVCD Predictor because it's for predicting final file size with VBR mode. You'll have much better results if you don't use the TMPGEnc wizard and leave the rate control set to CQ_VBR mode and use the excellent KVCD Predictor program

I would put that movie on two cds with the KVCDx3 template and use 128kbps audio or higher. Download a sample from the main page to see if your player supports this resolution (528x480 or 544x480)

Kwag- we simultaneously posted

nicksteel · #**110** 11-23-2002, 04:55 PM

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black prince · #**111** 11-23-2002, 04:57 PM

Hi SansGrip,

SansGrip wrote:

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SansGrip

Joined: 09 Nov 2002
Posts: 126
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:47 am Post subject:
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black prince wrote:
Getting all kinds of errors trying to execute KVCD file prediction after insatlling Microsoft.NET:
Very weird. Theoretically if you have the runtime installed you should just be able to double-click it and go.

I asked Dr Google and he came up with a bunch of other people with this kind of problem. One suggested solution I read was uninstalling the .NET framework (through Add/Remove Programs), then installing MDAC 2.7 from here, then reinstalling .NET.

Sorry you're having problems with this . Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Windows ME to test it on, but I can try it on my Windows 98 laptop tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have the same problem, and will figure out how to fix it, and can then tell you .

I've tried everything except re-install Win ME OS.

.NET will not uninstall
using add/remove programs.

KVCD Predictor would be nice, but .NET too troublesome. I've written
a similar file size predictor using "Autoit" with a similar GUI screen as
KVCD Predictor. I input the movie length and the desired audio bitrate
and the program calculates the audio file size and the differance for
1 or 2 CD selected and the differance becomes the video target file size.
I've saved Tmpgenc .tpr files for CQ 20 to 60 test of the avs test script.
My program starts with CQ=40, since my range is 20 to 60 CQ. depending
on the est. file size result from CQ 40. It will use either 30 which is mid-
point between 20 to 40 or 50 which mid-point between 40 to 60. My
second pass refines the CQ range further until the results approximately
gives me the closet target file size for video. Crude, but effective and
after 5 tests it's very accurate.

Thanks to the discussions on this
forum the ideas really helped to cut down on the numbers of test
passes to reach the approximate file size.

I'm sure KVCD Predictor
far surpasses my crude program, but It works for me.

-black prince

-black prince

SansGrip · #**112** 11-23-2002, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by black prince

I've tried everything except re-install Win ME OS.

.NET will not uninstall using add/remove programs.

That really is odd. I forgot to try installing .NET on my laptop, and I won't have time to do it tonight, but I shall try to do it tomorrow. Hopefully it'll give me an insight into your problem.

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Originally Posted by black prince

I've written a similar file size predictor using "Autoit" with a similar GUI screen as KVCD Predictor.

Glad to hear you found a solution regardless

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SansGrip · #**113** 11-23-2002, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nicksteel

I'm downloading again from Microsoft and will try again.

When I installed the runtime I did it from Windows Update and there were no problems at all. I've never tried installing it from the Microsoft download page.

Let me know how it goes.

nicksteel · #**114** 11-23-2002, 06:23 PM

Worked great on second download. Don't know what happened.

Would really appreciate advice on my last post. I assume that I change the settings from FILM to NTSC. And I would really like to know if the 704x480 would be better than the 528x480 for widescreen HDTV playback.

Nick
Houston

kwag · #**115** 11-23-2002, 06:38 PM

@SansGrip,

I can't mirror your ~sansgrip/ directory. Only your ~sansgrip/avisynth directory. Don't know if this is on purpose, or your provider has incorrect attributes for your home directory. Or maybe you have to create a ~sansgrip/extras , etc., and then that sub directory can be accesed for your non avisynth related programs.

-kwag

SansGrip · #**116** 11-24-2002, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag

I can't mirror your ~sansgrip/ directory. Only your ~sansgrip/avisynth directory. Don't know if this is on purpose, or your provider has incorrect attributes for your home directory.

This is on purpose. There's a whole bunch of stuff in there that you wouldn't want to mirror

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Originally Posted by kwag

Or maybe you have to create a ~sansgrip/extras

I was actually going to revamp my page into two, one for Avisynth filters and one for everything else. I'll probably get round to that today

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SansGrip · #**117** 11-24-2002, 01:42 PM

@kwag:

Any updates on the video+system/ES video strangeness?

kwag · #**118** 11-24-2002, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SansGrip

@kwag:

Any updates on the video+system/ES video strangeness?

It's a BIG bug on TMPEG. I tried my older version 2.57 PLUS, and it works correctly using Video only and System video only. So TMPEG 2.59 is broken on System (Video only)

-kwag

SansGrip · #**119** 11-24-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag

It's a BIG bug on TMPEG.

Ouch!

So... Should sample strips be encoded with a system stream or without?

A thought that struck me last night:

If KVCDP only accepted .m1v and .m2v files it would eliminate the possibility that someone might feed it a file with audio too. But I still think we need to take the system stream into account, as it adds ~1.5% to the final result.

So, what if we encode the sample strips as an ES, but I figure the system stream into the final calculations?

black prince · #**120** 11-24-2002, 03:24 PM

Hi Kwag and SansGrip,

Kwag wrote:

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It's a BIG bug on TMPEG. I tried my older version 2.57 PLUS, and it works correctly using Video only and System video only. So TMPEG 2.59 is broken on System (Video only)
-kwag

I use Tmpgenc Plus 2.59. Does this mean I should go back to 2.57 or
stick with what I have. I'm confused as what to use.

I am getting
accurate file size prediction with the manual process. What to do,
what to do

-black prince