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I can recommend 2.5x. I've not had any problems with the latest CVS binary.
It's true that I also use the last CVS binary (that is not the official delivered one). The official version is 12-april, the last one is 15-05 (or something close).

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With AVS2.5x you'll get to use the faster MPEG2Dec3.dll with built-in post-processing and as was said, the whole YV12 colorspace gives a speed boost.
In YV12 color space, MergeChroma(Blur()) and MergeLuma(Blur()) are nearly timeless ! (something like 5 sec more for a total encoding time of 10 minutes).
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For the new script update, do you recommad to totally remove STMfilter? Amazing work guys

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For the new script update, do you recommad to totally remove STMfilter? Amazing work guys

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I wouldn't drop it just yet
Maybe lowering the values more will still give us a little file size saving with some spatial filtering
I'm doing a couple of tests right now...

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05-20-2003, 11:29 AM
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Done

Changes are STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0, 8, 32)
I've updated the current script. Please test it! I can't see ANY visual difference with or without STM in my monitor , but the file size is still smaller with the use of STM and the new values.

Edit: @muaddib
Please take note for your next update to moviestacker, and move the "unfilter" line "after" the LegalClip line

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The GripFit functions don't work in AVS2.5x since it's not been compiled properly
I do not agree with you. There is a 2.5 version that was given here :

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3544
(latest post, done by latexxx).

I can also send it to you if you want.

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That exactly what I suggested to muaddib for his 2.5 version of MoviStacker

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You'll have to get the LoadPluginEx.dll from the WarpSharp package. See the Doom9's Avisynth usage forum and the filters collection sticky there.
You can also go to http://www.avisynth.org/~warpenterprises/ and see if there is a 2.5 version of the plugin you need.
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05-20-2003, 11:43 AM
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The GripFit functions don't work in AVS2.5x since it's not been compiled properly
I do not agree with you. There is a 2.5 version that was given here :

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3544
(latest post, done by latexxx).
Dang..I should really start punishing my brain Thanks for the correction.
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I guess I'm moving on to AviSynth 2.5x in the very near future...
So what do you recommend using instead of TemporalSmoother in AviSynth2.5x Boulder
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Maybe a light TemporalSoften would do?
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Changes are STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0, 8, 32)
I've updated the current script. Please test it! I can't see ANY visual difference with or without STM in my monitor , but the file size is still smaller with the use of STM and the new values.
-kwag
I did some samples with and without STMedianFilter and I totaly agree...
I watched the samples on TV and I couldn't see any difference but
STMedianFilter brought down my Fullsample size by ~600kB (which would
be ~36 MBs for the full movie...quite a lot I think)

...so my STMedianFilter isn't burried yet

@jorel: great job, thanks for your hard work

reards, ***mfb***
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i said the same thing somewhere in that thread a loooong time ago http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....=asc&start=255 "filters like STM do give compression but at the expense of detail" so i just use FluxSmooth and keep SansGrip's happy
hey I'm with you on this!! I only use Fluxsmooth or TemporalSmoother too

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Wow, great new script guys... I added an additional FluxSmooth(5,5) line between STM and TemporalSmoother...
kwag, jorel you should try that. FileSize drops again, and the picture looks the same as without it at the first test...
will you guys do some tests too? it's hard to tell for me... !!
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I can recommend 2.5x. I've not had any problems with the latest CVS binary.
I agree. I've been using it for a while now and haven't had any trouble with the latest build. It's quite stable now, IMO. And with loadpluginex.dll, there is really no reason to stick with 2.08 anymore.

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I'm not exactly sure if you'll be able to use TemporalSmoother.
If all else fails, you can always load the old 2.0 mpeg2dec.dll and use it with a colorspace conversion, if necessary. That's what I'm doing currently. The colorspace conversion is a little awkward, but I haven't noticed that much of a hit from it.

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Yes, I've been using undot on dirty DVD sources with great success. I like to put it pretty high up in the filter chain, like right after the resize. It takes care of a lot of grain and noise in preparation for more powerful noise reducers like pixiedust(limit=3).

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So what do you recommend using instead of TemporalSmoother in AviSynth2.5x
I can't speak for Boulder but I have not yet found a 2.5 temporal filter that matches temporalsmoother. I've tried atc, temporalcleaner, and temporalsoften, and all leave a lot of noise that temporalsmoother cleans right up.
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I'll personally start using AviSynth 2.5x when it's tightly integrated with MovieStacker. Right now, it's not, as most of the filters are 2.0x
Right now, MovieStacker works seamlessly with 2.0 , but not with 2.5x

@muaddib,
Is it time to cut over to 2.5x in MovieStacker

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I'll personally start using AviSynth 2.5x when it's tightly integrated with MovieStacker. Right now, it's not, as most of the filters are 2.0x
Right now, MovieStacker works seamlessly with 2.0 , but not with 2.5x
Better of why not add 2.5 to the allready existing 2.0 with the Avi switch plugin, more work for Muad.
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Better of why not add 2.5 to the allready existing 2.0 with the Avi switch plugin, more work for Muad.
If it works as smooth as MovieStacker/AviSynth 2.0x, hey!, go for that

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so are you guys suggesting to go to Avisynth 2.5 now? after all the bad things I've heard? or am i not hearing correctly?
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05-21-2003, 02:59 AM
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So what do you recommend using instead of TemporalSmoother in AviSynth2.5x Boulder
You can use TemporalSmoother as it is included in Mpeg2Dec, and a 2.5 version of this filter exist.
(but just use Mpeg2Dec for that, let use Mpeg2Dec3 for reading your Mpeg2 source, its far better and faster)
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so are you guys suggesting to go to Avisynth 2.5 now? after all the bad things I've heard? or am i not hearing correctly?
I remember Kwag saying "the lack of Gripfit for AVS2.5 is the point that stick me to 2.0". And I thought "He's right" (I always find Kwag right ).

The day I saw the 2.5 version of GripFit, I run on AVS2.5
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So what do you recommend using instead of TemporalSmoother in AviSynth2.5x Boulder
You can use TemporalSmoother as it is included in Mpeg2Dec, and a 2.5 version of this filter exist.
(but just use Mpeg2Dec for that, let use Mpeg2Dec3 for reading your Mpeg2 source, its far better and faster)
Yes, but IIRC TemporalSmoother only works in YUY2. If you convert to YUY2, there's really no need to use AVS2.5x as you'll also lose the speed advantage. There is a quality loss each time you do a colorspace conversion and God knows how many times TMPGEnc converts They really need to add direct YV12 support since MPEG-1 and 2 are YV12!
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