Avisynth: 544x576 CQ Looks a Lot Worse

CheronAph · #1 10-21-2003, 12:44 PM

Here we go again, 544x576 CQ 68,240, they all look a lot worse than your Joe Black,

Dialhot · #2 10-21-2003, 02:11 PM

How do you want peoples to follow a thread if you split it in two parts ?

incredible · #3 10-21-2003, 02:17 PM

Could you please tell me whats your intention by giving your thread this name??? Sounds like "flaming"

And won't give others a hint to your problem.
Ok, if you want to keep me out of this its your decision but on the other hand adressing me personally by saying "...they all look a lot worse than your Joe Black.", whats the sense? I just tried to help you and I gave you the hint to open a clean thread cause the thread there went totally out of topic, thats all and that this thread becomes a sensefull title which refers to your problem and not to a "anime". Cause thats what others read in the forums first page.

Maybe I misunderstood this totally ... maybe not.
Cheers

Dialhot, .. this was my advice cause it seemed that some people didn't like that it went out of topic., sorry maybe the wrong way ... as I see!

Dialhot · #4 10-21-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by incredible

Dialhot, .. this was my advice cause it seemed that some people didn't like that it went out of topic., sorry maybe the wrong way ... as I see!

No, you're right. But you're right also in the first part of your post : a such subject and the post that is associated are crazy.

CheronAph · #5 10-21-2003, 02:47 PM

Yes, and I appreciate your help!
It just doesn´t get to my head that a movie which is 180 minutes long can fit to a single cd with that kind of quality!
The title means that my results are far from incredible, not that this topic isn´t for you, tried to be clever but I seem to have failed

incredible · #6 10-21-2003, 03:34 PM

1. Im really not the first one who fits 180min @ 480x576 to one CDr and still maintaing the quality as in my samples ..... we're far away from standards and that means experiments, trying, experiments, trying ... success! As I mentioned every movie is different, mine is calm, contains much dark scenes and it's source on DVD was in a very clean condition!
Yours is full of noise, more complex (as I know the movie), more bright changing scenes.
Treating movies is like treating women, ... some like red roses, some like white roses .... to be happy with.

3. I used a low bitrate Template, changed the setting of CQ's max Bitrate to 1800kbit and did via avisynth a simple merge-luma/chroma-blur without sharpen before, as I remember I just added Temp.Soften using low values so in moving scenes plain surfaces won't look like viewn through a static "grain" glass ... and also added StmedianFilter set to little spatial settings. And if you look closer the pics are more soften as known from other encodings ... just a bit more soften to "break" the edges gives a recognisable CQ advantage and thats what I wanted.

Another example "Message in a Bottle" ... if you see this movie you would say "oh not that much action, more romantic as it seems" , but if you just try to do a prediction using standard KVCD Template settings, .. even when using MA .. in my first try a CQ of 47 resulted!
So you have to modify some settings as I told to lower the max bitrate and so on ..... tryin, trying, trying .... and after a time so much things "get into your head" that you get a little feeling how to "attack" a movie and its encoding possibilities.

PS: As you edited it, now the Name of the thread looks much more nicer .... and MAKES SENSE!

CheronAph · #7 10-21-2003, 03:57 PM

You´re right, I should learn more about filtering! I just lousy (read: lazy) in these type of things!
People should send more of their own scripts that they think would be good for a certain type of a movie, dark horror, bright fast moving action and so on.