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02-09-2004, 09:41 PM
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Hi just downloaded decomb510 unzipped and put the decomb.dll in the plugin folder of avisynth 2.5.4

used this script

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Mpeg2Source("C:\FAMILYGUY_V2_D1\VIDEO_TS\death lives.d2v")
Telecide()
Decimate(mode=1,threshold=50) 
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=3,variance=0.1,seed=1) 
Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0) 
GripCrop(352, 240, overscan=1, source_anamorphic=false) 
GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize") 
Undot() 
TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2) 
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0) 
#Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max=10,variance=0.3,seed=5623) 
GripBorders()
and when i load into tmpge i get not supported but before i put in the Telecide and decimate lines it worked

Am i missing a step

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Well to give a few cents to your question:
Maybe you got a conflict between installed filter/dll's in your plugIns folder.

BUT:

a) Why do you perform a "optimal AVI" script on a DVD source? As its optimated for already more compressed sources like Divx or VCD?? To me in case of your source it contains too much filtering.

b) Mode=1 in Decimate means blending between frames which will be discarded, in case of IVTC its regulary not usual as only frames have "discarded" and thats all.

c) I don't know "Family Guy" ... are you shure its still telecined on that DVD?? I don't think so.

Two possibilities:

- Source is shot on Video and therefor watch out for the 60ito24p function in the forum in here to get 23.976 progressive frames even on Video Sources.

- Source is shot on FILM and therefore encoded really at 23.976 BUT with a pulldown flag added, which means DVD2AVI gets confused and reports 29.976 interlaced anyway, ... but it isn't!

Therefore do watch fast moving scenes in DVD2AVI if you really got combed artifacts in these parts.

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EDIT: Hold it! Is "Family Guy" not that Movie with Nicolas Cage???
Therefore its defenitely originally shot on FILM!
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02-10-2004, 06:54 PM
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Thanx Incredible

First off Family Guy is a cartoon series that used to run on FOX(like the simpsons)

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a) Why do you perform a "optimal AVI" script on a DVD source? As its optimated for already more compressed sources like Divx or VCD?? To me in case of your source it contains too much filtering.
I tried the MA script on it and the blurring was very noticeable(any way to get rid of that)



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) Mode=1 in Decimate means blending between frames which will be discarded, in case of IVTC its regulary not usual as only frames have "discarded" and thats all.
I just copied and pasted from doom9 for hybrid material i also tried just Decimate() (still trying to learn all this stuff)

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c) I don't know "Family Guy" ... are you shure its still telecined on that DVD?? I don't think so.

Two possibilities:

- Source is shot on Video and therefor watch out for the 60ito24p function in the forum in here to get 23.976 progressive frames even on Video Sources.

- Source is shot on FILM and therefore encoded really at 23.976 BUT with a pulldown flag added, which means DVD2AVI gets confused and reports 29.976 interlaced anyway, ... but it isn't!

Therefore do watch fast moving scenes in DVD2AVI if you really got combed artifacts in these parts.
I am very new to ripping dvd's and using dvd2avi(still trying to read on all this film,NTSC,interlaced and all that stuff)

I have no computer knowledge and just learn from this site.I donm't know what to do when i load into dvd2avi and it reports ntsc or film under 90%, i was just following Black Prince's guide and it says to and decom to the script

The reason i decided to try decomb is because of this thread

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....ghlight=decomb

it is the same thing that i have it keeps switching from interlaced and progressive

I have read many times about even if dvd2avi is reporting interlaced doesn't mean that it is but i have no clue

Thanx for your help
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02-11-2004, 05:19 AM
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Quote:
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First off Family Guy is a cartoon series that used to run on FOX(like the simpsons)
Cartoons!!!

Well I captured some cartoons in here (PAL) where a good Anime-NTSC-PAL conversion was done by the station.

BUT! In some cases anime studios do combine doubling and blending in case of animes and therefor its really tricky.

I don't think that the Hybrid-detection of Decomb works well on that as hybrid means a mixture of FILM material and VIDEO material. Like explained in the link above in the case of "sex in the city".

But Cartoons have NEVER been shot on Video, so a real interlaced architecture won't exist on that stream, ... maybe a telecining process.

So, what comes out if using

Telecide(post=false).Decomb(cycle=5)

??

A jerky movement?
If there are still frames doubled, thats normal cause a cartoon will in most cases not be full moving 23.976 where every picture gots its own different content.
Very often on slow motion scenes they use just frame doubling, meant a sequence done by half the amount of pictures and framedoubled to get the needed 23.976 fps! And at fast moving parts it changes to really 23.976 where every frame got its own unique information.

And thats why also smartdecimate() IMHO will get problems as it could detect "needed" doubled frames also.
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02-11-2004, 07:01 PM
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Thanx Incredible ,i searched on doom9 for family guy and they didn't have anything good to say about the way these dvds were mastered.

Thanx for the help although i can't test anything because i still get unsupported in TMPGE

Thanx again
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02-11-2004, 11:27 PM
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in DVD2AVI what does it say for 'frame type' after you've saved the project? It's probably interlaced so you'd just add

FieldDeinterlace()

to the script
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02-12-2004, 04:41 AM
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Sorry, but just "interlaced" is no guarantee that on the final stream the purpose should be to perform fielddeinterlace()!

IF DVD2AVI says "29.97" or "interlaced" that could be really:

- real 29.97 interlaced contend, shot on VIDEO
- real 23.976 progressive with pulldownflag, thats why DVD2AVI "says" 29.97
- 29.97 interlaced material, telecined from 23.976
- 29.97 hybrid material with real VIDEO 29.97 AND telecined 23.976 contend in the same video!

And IF using Fileddeinterlace, you should use Fielddeinterlace(full=false) as this keeps the non-fast-moving frames in a sharper quality.

So Fielddeinterlace(xx) only makes sense in the first case above if something really is shot on VIDEO.

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02-12-2004, 07:23 PM
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Ok guys how do you know what it really is then if dvd2avi isin't always correct

For example ,just tried a movie that has only been out a few weeks and it is film 99% progressive(whichj it shoud be)

But i did one of the extras and it says NTSC ,interlaced

So i tried the script in the optimal script section that converst 60 fps to 24 but it doesn't seem correct ,when i play it on the tv it is like i can see too many frames.

When they are waving there arms instead of it being smooth its like i can see more arms,
Like i said i don't know much about this stuff but how are you supposed to know if it is really interlaced and if it is what do you do

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02-13-2004, 04:38 AM
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Very easy ...

DO scroll in the Preview of dvd2avi where a fast moion scene occurs.
Now do you see combing artefacts? If no, you deal with a really 23.976 progressive good mastered DVD.

If you see combing artifacts... then it depends of the video contend. Is it a Hollywood movie, then you deal wih a bad mastered DVD where they put a movie in a telecined state, which means to perform a telecide().decimate() in avisynth afterwards.
If you see combing artifacts .... and that is a VIDEO, means a origin shot on videomaterial instead of FILM material, like Music concerts, documentation, then you deal with a 29.976 NOT telecined but real interlaced material which you can treat with the 60i-24p script here in the KVCD section.

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02-13-2004, 06:32 PM
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Thanx incredible,slowly starting to understand

does anyone know where i can find a photo of combing artefacts sso i can for sure know what i'm lookin for

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does anyone know where i can find a photo of combing artefacts sso i can for sure know what i'm lookin for
www.100fps.com
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just a little something i thought i would add, dont use extras to test the quality of a dvd.. treat them as individuals because usually from my experiance they are just added as is eg unmastered.. some guy roaming round the set with his dodgy camcorder and camera round his neck just taking notes etc
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Thanx cw_uk

I figured the extras wouldn't be as good and i did the movie as forced film and everything was perfect i am just trying to learn all this stuff.
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