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10-02-2003, 07:36 AM
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Anything I need to know before replacing my existing WinTVGO-90 with the PVR-250 into my HP 2.53 P4?

Are there hiccups I should expect and what is the best capture resolution for non-digital cable?

I notice that the Hauppauge site lists several new drivers and software updates. Has anyone installed them and how well do they work? I presently use WINDVD for playback.

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Hi Nicksteel,

I still haven't actually tried my card yet
I've been setting up "MythTV" in a Linux box, but the kernel doesn't have the WinTV PVR-250 drivers, so I haven't tried.
As you are running Windows, I suggest you go to Hauppauge's site and download the latest drivers. You might want to PM dano, because he uses this card extensively, and he might give you some pointers on it

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Hi Nicksteel,

I still haven't actually tried my card yet
I've been setting up "MythTV" in a Linux box, but the kernel doesn't have the WinTV PVR-250 drivers, so I haven't tried.
As you are running Windows, I suggest you go to Hauppauge's site and download the latest drivers. You might want to PM dano, because he uses this card extensively, and he might give you some pointers on it

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I found my best results were with using the base cd install from www.shs.pvr
http://www.shspvr.com/download/hcw1_7_21177_pp2.zip

After you install the card point the "New Hardware Found Wizard" to the unzipped hcw1_7_21177_pp2 folder, it will detect the driver and install it. I capture using the preset of "12 Mbs CBR" and edit the commercials with virtualdub mpeg2-ac3 and extract the .wav at this point. I save the processing settings (.vcf) and use vcf2avs (search doom9 forums) and copy the "Trim" commands into my default MA script and change the source and sample length. I use dvd2avi 1.76 and encode audio with Headac3he. Good luck.
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I found my best results were with using the base cd install from www.shs.pvr
http://www.shspvr.com/download/hcw1_7_21177_pp2.zip

After you install the card point the "New Hardware Found Wizard" to the unzipped hcw1_7_21177_pp2 folder, it will detect the driver and install it. I capture using the preset of "12 Mbs CBR" and edit the commercials with virtualdub mpeg2-ac3 and extract the .wav at this point. I save the processing settings (.vcf) and use vcf2avs (search doom9 forums) and copy the "Trim" commands into my default MA script and change the source and sample length. I use dvd2avi 1.76 and encode audio with Headac3he. Good luck.
Thanks, I can start out this way with the latest stuff.

Have you tried using Womble mpeg2vcr to trim and processing the output with DVD2AVI to produce d2v and ac3 files?

Also, do you have a 2.52 script you can recommend?
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I only use Womble on files I am not going to reencode. If you are going to reencode it is best to not alter the source and use Vdub instead, besides it is a much easier to use editor than Womble. If you can avoid it never edit the original mpeg, jus use dvd2avi to create the .d2v and delete the demux .mpa.
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I found my best results were with using the base cd install from www.shs.pvr
http://www.shspvr.com/download/hcw1_7_21177_pp2.zip

After you install the card point the "New Hardware Found Wizard" to the unzipped hcw1_7_21177_pp2 folder, it will detect the driver and install it. I capture using the preset of "12 Mbs CBR" and edit the commercials with virtualdub mpeg2-ac3 and extract the .wav at this point. I save the processing settings (.vcf) and use vcf2avs (search doom9 forums) and copy the "Trim" commands into my default MA script and change the source and sample length. I use dvd2avi 1.76 and encode audio with Headac3he. Good luck.
On doom9, which do I use?
You can also use a utility called vcf2avs. It converts your processing file (vcf) to an avs file including the trims. For more information see AviSynth Q&A or vcf2avs by Dark$oul71 (discussion and download) and vcf2avs by bb (discussion and download). Btw those are not the same programs. They just have been developed at the same time and therefore somehow carry the same name!

virtualdub mpeg2-ac3
Where can I get this? Is it two programs or one, as I cannot find it as one.
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These are the versions I use.

http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.ph...&postid=310435

http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/V...-MPEG2-AC3.zip
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Dano:
After you install the card point the "New Hardware Found Wizard" to the unzipped hcw1_7_21177_pp2 folder, it will detect the driver and install it. I capture using the preset of "12 Mbs CBR" and edit the commercials with virtualdub mpeg2-ac3 and extract the .wav at this point. I save the processing settings (.vcf) and use vcf2avs (search doom9 forums) and copy the "Trim" commands into my default MA script and change the source and sample length. I use dvd2avi 1.76 and encode audio with Headac3he. Good luck.
Got the new card running easily with your advice. Downloaded virtualdub mpeg2-ac3 and vcf2avs.

Loaded capture in virtualdub mpeg2-ac3.
Deleted sections.
Saved wav for processing with Headac3he.
Saved processing settings.

Converted vcf to avs.

Loaded capture into DVD2AVI
Saved d2v

Loaded trim settings into avs

Am I doing everything ok so far?

What do you mean by: "change the source and sample length."

Can you turn video display off while capturing?

How do you turn WinTV2000 off after capture? WinTVScheduler doesn't allow me to uncheck "Keep WinTV Open When Done"

Could you post your default MA script?

I only have:

LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\MPEG2DEC3.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\deen.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\gripfit_yv12.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\unfilter_2.5\unfilter.dl l")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\stmed_2.5a\STMedianFilte r.dll")

mpeg2Source("h:\wintvvid\film.d2v")
Trim(5476,42104)+Trim(48856,66436)+Trim(73961,9819 6)+Trim(105120,127739)+Trim(134815,150149)+Trim(15 7380,179084)+Trim(187199,202904)+Trim(210113,21965 9)
ConvertToYV12()

Limiter()
unfilter(50,50)
GripCrop(480, 480, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0)
Deen()
mergechroma(blur(1.50))
mergeluma(blur(0.2))
#GripBorders() For some reason, TMPGEnc blows with this.
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
Limiter()
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Can you turn video display off while capturing?

How do you turn WinTV2000 off after capture? WinTVScheduler doesn't allow me to uncheck "Keep WinTV Open When Done"

Could you post your default MA script? MA seems to work best when using High Quality rather than Motion Estimate for captures.
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Quote:
Can you turn video display off while capturing?
http://www.shspvr.com/download/playlocalturnonoff.zip

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How do you turn WinTV2000 off after capture? WinTVScheduler doesn't allow me to uncheck "Keep WinTV Open When Done"
I'm sure there is a reg setting but don't know where. Search the forums at www.shspvr.com.

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Could you post your default MA script? MA seems to work best when using High Quality rather than Motion Estimate for captures.
Pretty much the default MA script.

## DLL Section ##
#
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\GripFit_YV12.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\asharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\unfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\undot.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Filters25\SAMPLER_25.DLL")
#
####

## Defined Variables and Constants ##
#
MaxTreshold = 1.50
nf = 0 # Current frame.
#
####

## Main section and static filters ###
#
Mpeg2Source("C:\MyVideos\test.d2v")
#Trim()
Telecide(order=1,post=0)
Decimate(cycle=5)

undot()
Limiter()
asharp(1, 4)
GripCrop(704, 480, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(8, 32, 0, 0 )
MergeChroma(blur(MaxTreshold))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
#
#

## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ##
#
# ( Portions from AviSynth's manual ) - This will apply temporalsoften to
# very static scenes, and apply variable blur on moving scenes.
# We also assign a variable - and this is why a line break is inserted:

SwitchThreshold = (Width<=352) ? 4 : (Width<=480) ? 3 : 2
ScriptClip("nf = YDifferenceToNext()"+chr(13)+ "nf >= SwitchThreshold ? \
unfilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ) : \
TemporalSoften( fmin( round(2/nf), 6), round(1/nf) , round(3/nf) , 1, 1) ")

#
#
#

GripBorders()
LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16)
Limiter()

#
#
## Functions ###

function fmin( int f1, int f2) {
return ( f1<f2 ) ? f1 : f2
}
ConvertToRGB24()
#Sampler(44,length=24)
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10-06-2003, 08:40 AM
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Dano,

Just a thank you for all the pointers and advice.

Everything is running ok now. I really like the PVR-250. The quality is better than avi captures with the old WinTVgo-90, especially sound.

Do you find that High Quality is better than Motion Estimate in TMPGEnc with MA and captures at 720x480? I've always had motion issues, but using KVCDx3 MPEG2 at 704x480 seems to have "cured" the problem and has very good quality.
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Hey nicksteel,

Could you post a small MPEG sample somewhere
( A sample before conversion, to see the captured quality )

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Hey nicksteel,

Could you post a small MPEG sample somewhere
( A sample before conversion, to see the captured quality )

-kwag
Glad to. Will even post a small before and after. I'm doing Taken (SciFI) capture from non-digital cable. Could you tell me how to post a sample? Haven't ever done this, but need to know how. I am on modem.
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10-06-2003, 11:31 AM
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Could you tell me how to post a sample?
You have to upload it somewhere. Like at angelfire.com or some other hosting. Doesn't your provider give you a default web page, which usually includes ~5mb or so
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Haven't ever done this, but need to know how. I am on modem.
Then you'll have to upload a small ( ~1MB sample ) or so.

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