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01-09-2005, 01:36 AM
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I don't know which one to get!

AMD64 3000+ Socket 939 or P4 3.0GHz Socket 478 or 775

P4 socket 775's run too hot and use a fair bit of power, the AMD64 socket 939 run much cooler and save power. Which will be better for encoding in general (video & audio). I get the feeling Intel is better, but if I get Intel it will be socket 478. Any advice?
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01-09-2005, 05:26 AM
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I think there was a thread related to this on doom9 and it seems that on XVID jobs AMD is also faster, well it depends on the instruction sets (but to whon I say that as YOU got skills in coding c++). AMD64 also gots SSE2 and I think especially for you its importand on which CPU libavcodec runs better.
Related to cooling, well ... a simple change of the boxed coller with a Zalman or Thremalright is IMHO a silent and cool solution.

My choice would be:

- AMD64 3200+ 939
- MSI KT NEO PLATINUM 939 board (as its the best Board available for 939)
- PC3200 RAM from A-DATA or MDT (CL 2.5)
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01-09-2005, 06:41 AM
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The two different setups I was considering were:

3.0GHz Pentium 4 Socket 478 Prescott
Gigabyte GA-8IPE1000 PRO2
512MB DDR PC3200 "Legend" RAM

or

AMD Athlon64 3000+ Socket 939
ABIT AV8 Socket 939
512MB DDR PC3200 "Legend" RAM

The AMD rig would be cheaper, bumping the processor up to the 3200+ would make it about the same.

I want the setup that will encode TMPGEnc, XviD, FFMPEG & Mencoder, Lame and Ogg Vorbis jobs the fastest, and not too much power. The open-source tools are not a problem as they can be optimised to take every advantage of a CPU, and probably are best optimised for AMD already. But I think TMPGEnc is far more optimised for Intel, and AMD's just don't compare because of the compiler options used. But I'm not sure, and can't really test it out. The other benefit I see with the AMD is under Linux where I can immediately take advantae of the 64-bit capability. But this apparently is not very significant. Hmm, not an easy decision. The AMD looks like the way to go, but I'm still not sure.
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01-09-2005, 11:13 AM
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I want the setup that will encode TMPGEnc, XviD, FFMPEG & Mencoder, Lame and Ogg Vorbis jobs the fastest, and not too much power.
Hi Peter,

Well, that would rule out AMD, because AMD is far more power hugry than Intel.
But if you really want the fastest thing, then AMD64 is the way to go.

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01-09-2005, 05:58 PM
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AMD64 is getting the backing of a number of big players in the tech industry as Intel made the big mistake of deciding backwards compatibility was not important.

64 bit version of linux/solaris/bsd and all the other flavours of *nix will only improve with time,

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01-09-2005, 08:22 PM
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Well, that would rule out AMD, because AMD is far more power hugry than Intel.
That was the case, but apparently the tables have turned. Check out this table from TomsHardware http://www20.tomshardware.com/mother...et_775-49.html
Compare the Pentium 3.0E GHz with the AMD Athlon64 3400+.

AMD Athlon64 socket 754 processors use much less power than AthlonXP processors, and much less power than the P4 Prescott processors. Socket 939 isn't in that table, but it shouldn't be much different. Seems that AMD solved their power leakage problems and Intel now have it.

AMD looks like its the way to go. But I'm still not sure.
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01-09-2005, 09:50 PM
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Well, that would rule out AMD, because AMD is far more power hugry than Intel.
That was the case, but apparently the tables have turned.
You're right Peter
I would definitely go with the AMD 64
Look here: http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/7417

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01-10-2005, 02:41 AM
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Looks like AMD is the go then. Can't wait to get it. Living in "regional" areas suck - you have to wait a long time for stores to get new stock after pre-christmas sales.

What I'm getting is:
300W Antec Solution Series PSU (hopefully this one won't blow up!)
AMD Athlon64 3200+ Socket 939 CPU
Abit AV8 M/B
512MB DDR PC3200 "Legend" RAM (or Corsair if I do some haggling)
XpertVision ATI Radeon 9600LE 256MB 128-bit DDR

Total cost: AU$865 (~US$650)

If I ordered the same system online, it would cost me AU$804 + postage. Stupid local computer store rip-off merchants.
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01-10-2005, 03:06 AM
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If I lived in the USA, I could by the same from newegg.com for only US$500 .

Don't mind me, I'm just pissed off that I'm spending all the money I earned working over my holiday break. So much for saving money .
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01-10-2005, 04:13 AM
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Don't mind me, I'm just pissed off that I'm spending all the money I earned working over my holiday break. So much for saving money .
Hi Peter ,
That's what usually happens to me too .
Whenever I "sacrifice" myself a bit more by working overtime (when I do have time for paid overtime ) or at the weekends, there's always something happening to me.
Either it is the car that won't start and I have to buy a new start-engine, or is the kitchen oven that toasts and I have to buy a new one, or my PC mobo+cpu fries due to thunderstorms, etc, etc...
So, yeah, I do know what you mean.
All but the part about country side effect.
We have plenty of PC stores here and they're all full of hardware right now.
BUT it is a lot more expensive then back there at the US or Australia .
Well, that's just the way it is and I've gotta learn to live with it.
Just a few words so you can see you're not alone .
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01-10-2005, 05:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Cheat
Looks like AMD is the go then. Can't wait to get it. Living in "regional" areas suck - you have to wait a long time for stores to get new stock after pre-christmas sales.

What I'm getting is:
300W Antec Solution Series PSU (hopefully this one won't blow up!)
AMD Athlon64 3200+ Socket 939 CPU
Abit AV8 M/B
512MB DDR PC3200 "Legend" RAM (or Corsair if I do some haggling)
XpertVision ATI Radeon 9600LE 256MB 128-bit DDR

Total cost: AU$865 (~US$650)

If I ordered the same system online, it would cost me AU$804 + postage. Stupid local computer store rip-off merchants.
Peter, an Athlon64 3200 is known for better overclocking as anyway you want to push it a little, thats why I recommend it.
Also think about the mainboard, the MSI KT NEO Platinum gots the most settings and its the "lovemachine" in the AMD64 user scene.
The AMD64 by its default gots less vcore than a XP model and so a significant real MHz increase is possible up to 2500-2600 Mhz but it depends on the AMD64's stepping. As HeatsinkCooler I recommend a Zalman one (the big one) which keeps your CPU very cool and also silent

Related to your Graphics Card: Do you play the latest games or is your intention more in Video Processing/watching?

If yes, then an ATI Radeon 9250 with VGA and DVI connectors is a very good choice cause:

- Very good TV out capabilities via TV out
- In case of Dual connectors (DVI VGA) you can use your monitor via DVI/VGA Adapter and solder an VGA-Scart adapter for sending a Real 640x480i signal to your Beamer,TV or whatever means 1a RGB! Tvout.
- Its noise "dead" as its passive cooled
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01-11-2005, 04:23 AM
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The MSI Neo2 Plantinum board is really expensive. $AU 300 is a lot more than $AU 185. The Gigabyte GA-K8NS Ultra-939 looks ok, and will only cost me $10-$15 more. The nForce3 Ultra chipset is probably a better choice than the Via alternative. Cheers for pointing out an alternative. nForce3 Ultra chipsets are better for overclocking apparently, the Neo2 would be really nice. Maybe I should rob a bank?

Edit:
I don't play games much, but I want to have a system powerful enough to handle the latest games just in case a game comes out that I'd like to play (and have time to play!). Don't really use TV-out, that's what KVCD/KDVD is for :P.
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02-11-2005, 05:01 AM
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Hi: I want to upgrade my system, board, cpu, etc.

I use Windows XP. What is the better choice?
Thank you.
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02-11-2005, 05:08 AM
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Hi: I want to upgrade my system, board, cpu, etc.

I use Windows XP. What is the better choice?
Thank you.
I think you tell to few to have an interresting answer.
People do not know what you want to do, and how much you are ready to put on the table.
(note : upgrade = changing all your PC or changing some pieces only ? If it is the second solution, then tell us from what you are starting).
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02-11-2005, 05:18 AM
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I use Windows XP. What is the better choice?
Thank you.
For the "etc." part, Windows 2000
Really. Not kidding.
If you want a faster and more stable OS, get yourself Win2K with all service patches.

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02-11-2005, 05:50 AM
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I totally agree .... I also changed from XP to W2k more than one year ago
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02-11-2005, 05:51 AM
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Thank for your answers.

Please advise me what can I buy dealing between quality and money, for a multi purpose PC (I mean encoding and playing movies and games).
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02-11-2005, 06:03 AM
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I totally agree .... I also changed from XP to W2k more than one year ago
The matter is : is it possible to buy a legal win2K nowaday ?

(I'm not even sur to not having read that win2K will be dropped from windows update soon -> means no more security patches).
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02-11-2005, 06:24 AM
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I still have one orig cd here from my first PC, and I do think there are still W2k offers available in the stores.

But youre right, I do hope the patch support for Win2k wont be dropped soon
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02-11-2005, 06:47 AM
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(I'm not even sur to not having read that win2K will be dropped from windows update soon -> means no more security patches).
I don't think Win2k support will drop any soon.
As a matter of fact, Windows NT 4 support was just recently dropped
http://www.informationweek.com/story...00171&tid=5999
And NT 4 is WAY older than Win2k. So there will be Win2k development for quite a while, because Win2k is heavily used in corporations.

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