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01-11-2004, 04:24 PM
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I just got Gentoo installed and I realized knoppix is good if you don't want to install much, but a true linux user has to install it on his hard drive. So I heard a lot about Gentoo so I wanted to try it out. All I can say is this is the best distibutor out there, basicly its like linux from scratch, but easier (still very hard though). The advantages of Gentoo is that you can custom make every packsge to be installed on the hard drive. Mine is built for speed and options at the same time. Gnome gives it a fast kick when loading and low memory when I open up my mosix cluster. Also its amzing that they came with a complied version for gentoo of mplayer 1.0pre3 when it first came out and debain still didn't make there .deb package so don't worry about waiting for packages.
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Hi ak47,

The only problem with Gentoo Linux is that it has to install most of the packages via the net. So for a full server installation requiring MySQL, Apache, Samba, Squid, Development tools, etc., it takes MANY hours to install
Knoppix already has most packages in the CD-R image, so everything is there. Not to mention that Gentoo uses "sources" to compile, once you download them, and Knoppix uses "apt-get" which can actually install pre-compiled packages, without the need to compile them locally.
I understand that for full "peak" performance, you can compile with full optimizations, dependent on your hardware ( as is the case with Gentoo ), but for general purpose and good performance, Knoppix already does well as a Server, and excels as a workstation. At least that's my point of view, after reading the full installation process required for Gentoo.
It would be good if Gentoo had pre-compiled packages. Then it would be closer to what FreeBSD is

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The only problem with Gentoo Linux is that it has to install most of the packages via the net
How do you think you get the cd image for knoppix? Even though it is compressed.
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Not to mention that Gentoo uses "sources" to compile, once you download them, and Knoppix uses "apt-get" which can actually install pre-compiled packages, without the need to compile them locally.
I guess you didn't try out Gentoo, Gentoo uses a program called emerge which finds program sources and something like a source complier (a file that tell how to install the source) and it does it all for you just one simple command. Emerge is better in two ways one it finds the file you want to install and the essential files that are needed to install it, apt-get just installs that one program. Also it finds versions from all of the net not just the ones you put in your sources.list file. Also I haven't got error out from it yet.
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It would be good if Gentoo had pre-compiled packages
Ya that would be good, but there are millions of programs out there and Gentoo makes you choose instead of them.
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01-12-2004, 02:05 AM
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The only problem with Gentoo Linux is that it has to install most of the packages via the net
How do you think you get the cd image for knoppix? Even though it is compressed.
It's not the same
You get your Knoppix ISO image, with all programs pre-installed. That is, binaries. With Gentoo, you have to download the "sources", and then compile them locally.
That works really fine for a small amount of software. But if you plan on doing a large installation, count on hours (if not days ) in downloading sources and compiling. ( Too many talks about that all over the net, where people complain just about that ).
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Not to mention that Gentoo uses "sources" to compile, once you download them, and Knoppix uses "apt-get" which can actually install pre-compiled packages, without the need to compile them locally.
I guess you didn't try out Gentoo, Gentoo uses a program called emerge which finds program sources and something like a source complier (a file that tell how to install the source) and it does it all for you just one simple command. Emerge is better in two ways one it finds the file you want to install and the essential files that are needed to install it, apt-get just installs that one program.
Exactly Emerge downloads "sources", but not "binaries". So they must be compiled. So when you select one program, it must also download ALL dependencie sources, compile them, install them, and then compile the last (top level) source and install it too. This is really a waste of time, instead of just downloading and installing binary packages, a-la FreeBSD or a-la APT-GET (Debian).

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01-12-2004, 04:24 PM
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I see your point, though I just like the fact you can costum make your linux, and if you can get over the fact you need a lot of time to install, I think gentoo would be the best for hard drive install. But every distributor has there advantage and disadvantage if not then Red Hat would all you need.
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01-12-2004, 04:29 PM
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Hi ak47,

I just read on their site that the LIVE image does have pre-compiled packages, although not necessarily the latest.
Did you install from the live image, or from the "Steps" procedure

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01-12-2004, 04:53 PM
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I used only the first live cd and I didn't install any of the precompiled, packages that came with it. I did that because I just wanted to have the most updated packages via the net.
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