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07-09-2004, 06:33 PM
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Good Day Gentlemen,
I've been trying to get my movie onto one CD using this seemingly great format. I am so close that I can smell success. However, I have one slight problem.

I'm using ToK and have my script all done except for the " GripCrop(Your_GripCrop_Parameters_Here) " part. Since MovieStacker is out of commission, is there anyway to find the GripCrop parameters?

I've flipped through the forums all day and have not been able to find a solution. If this is a dumb question, a repeat question or any other kind of question, my apologies.

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Excuse me but you are DEFINITLY not using the good scripts.

IF your source is an avi you must use one on these ones (prefer V4) :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7223

You will see that in them, the gripcrop line is almost filled. And what has to be completed is only WIDTH and HEIGHT of your target.
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07-09-2004, 06:48 PM
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Good Day Gentlemen,
I've been trying to get my movie onto one CD using this seemingly great format. I am so close that I can smell success. However, I have one slight problem.

I'm using ToK and have my script all done except for the " GripCrop(Your_GripCrop_Parameters_Here) " part. Since MovieStacker is out of commission, is there anyway to find the GripCrop parameters?

I've flipped through the forums all day and have not been able to find a solution. If this is a dumb question, a repeat question or any other kind of question, my apologies.

Thanks
GripCrop always take same values related to your target resolution, overscan, and anamorphic source:
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GripCrop(Width, Height, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false)
PAL possibles pairs Width/Height can be: 352/288, 352/576 480/576, 528/576, 544/576, 704/576 and 720/576.

NTSC possibles pairs Width/Height can be: 352/240, 352/480, 480/480, 528/480, 544/480, 704/480 and 720/480.

Overscan: 1 or 2 usually.

source_anamorphic: false usually.


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Ok, so my source is 688x288. I'm assuming I should use 352 x 240. Is that correct?

Thanks for the quick responses!

EDIT: Now I see I am definitly using the wrong script. Can I use that with ToK instead of all those tools in the sticky?
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07-09-2004, 07:10 PM
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Ok, so my source is 688x288. I'm assuming I should use 352 x 240. Is that correct?
Not at all. Use the higher res that is just under the soruce. Here it is 544x480 (don't bother if 480 is greater than 288, there will have black bars there !)

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EDIT: Now I see I am definitly using the wrong script. Can I use that with ToK instead of all those tools in the sticky?
I do not remember how Tok works (it is a dead tool and we do not support it anymore) but I guess you can load the script you want.
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Did you read previous Dialhot post?

You need Avisynth 2.5x and all V4 filters at least if you want better results.
Respect to resolution, take as a guide to use down closer resolution than your source widht, in your case 688. If you standalone permits it, you can use 544*480.

I only have a question to Dialhot: It would be possible to use 704*480 in this case as 16 pixels until 704 it is not so much?



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I only have a question to Dialhot: It would be possible to use 704*480 in this case as 16 pixels until 704 it is not so much?
Anything is always possible if you adapt the script after taht.
I mean that I always consider "downsizing" as a kind of filter that removes some defaults. The opposite, "upsizing" is like adding default, okay ?
So if you upsize BUT change the filters after this in order to remove the defaults you just created, that's okay.

Now, the problem is : I don't know any filter that can compensate defaults of upsizing
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Now, the problem is : I don't know any filter that can compensate defaults of upsizing
Maybe writing filters lines with capital letters!!!
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Another question gentlemen, what is the max bitrate for 544x480?
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The same as for any other resolution. The max is related to the support used (2530 for SVCD, 9800 for DVD), not to the resolution.
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Ah, ok. I though resolution was related to bitrate, not the format it was being converted to.

Usi Avisynth with all the plugins and the optomized script, I converted 108 minutes of video into a 763mb file. The quality was incredible! My audio synched up right and everything. I burned it as a non-compliant SVCD in Nero @ 24x. However, when I popped it into my DVD player, it played but was extremely choppy. So I'm off on the hunt for the solution to this problem.

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07-10-2004, 10:25 AM
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However, when I popped it into my DVD player, it played but was extremely choppy. So I'm off on the hunt for the solution to this problem.
1/ never burn so fast. 12x is a maximum
2/ did you test your standalone capabilities regarding KVCD before to do your first one ?
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07-10-2004, 11:12 AM
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1. For some reason I thought 24x was good, but I'll reburn. Would that cause chopiness?

2. I did not test my standalone for KVCD capability. Without using one that I created, how would I test it?
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07-10-2004, 11:20 AM
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HI JUggla

There is a compatibility test ,i can't remember where to find it but just search this forum and you should find it
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07-10-2004, 11:37 AM
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I release all sample test disc (both KVCD and KDVD) on emule almost 24/7.

ed2k://|file|KDVD.Standalone.Compatibility.Samples.-.PAL.rar|147855357|1AD1FAAF7D927FDEA26E8C0F2F39393 0|/
ed2k://|file|kvcd-Compat-v2.nrg|14404280|D6816B349DDAFFC62D8AD913E7D717D9|/
ed2k://|file|KDVD.Standalone.Compatibility.Samples.-.NTSC.rar|64251392|57A749FB506510F09D36506180B2730 C|/
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07-10-2004, 12:49 PM
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Sorry Phil i thought you only had the dvd samples
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07-10-2004, 01:49 PM
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Sorry Phil i thought you only had the dvd samples
No-one asked me for the KVCD before so I never mentioned it
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Thank you for providing the samples. When it finishes, I will burn and test my standalone.
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07-10-2004, 04:27 PM
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Ok, so I just finished checking out the disc. The conclusion is, 1-3 work fine and 3-6 don't work. So basically the 3 that work are:

KVCD - ULBR
KVCD - LBR
KVCD - 352x240 PLUS

I'm assuming that my resolution is what is causing the skipping. I noticed that two of the samples (4 & 5) on the disc had the same problem. #6 didn't work at all, the picture was filled with black boxes.
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HI Juggla

Although only the first work sometimes there are ways to get the other ones to work like mux as svcd

wait for someone like Dialhot to reply but there are a few things to try

did you look here to see if your player is listed

http://www.kvcd.net/portal/articles.php?lng=en&pg=19
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