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Hi Guys,

I backed up one of my DVD's today using the latest DVDShrink.

First I did a test with a DVD+RW to check the quality in my standalone and it was decent enough for me.

The problem now is I want to record this to a DVD+R, how do I get Shrink to just burn the movie I just transcoded without having to wait 2 hours for it again to do it's thing?

Thanks in advance for any help.
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- Isnt the VIDEO_TS Folder of the transcoded movie still on your HD?
- If not, do you got a separate internal DVD-ROM?
- If not, copy the DVD+RW contents to your HD and burn them to DVD+R.

Or I did totally misunderstnd your intention! ??

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Thanks for the quick reply Inc.

Yes all the files ripped by Shrink are in my rip folder.

So should I just basically use Nero to load these files into it's VIDEO_TS folder and burn it like that?

I think that should work, I just thought it would be good if Shrink allowed you to just burn a second CD if needed without having to do any more transcoding.

I shall put all my VOBS and IFO's into Nero and burn that way it should be the easiest method.

Thanks again for your help Inc.
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2 hour to transcode a movie ???
You probably used the last AEC feature, did you ? If yes, with which setting ?
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So should I just basically use Nero to load these files into it's VIDEO_TS folder and burn it like that?
DOn't bother with that. Use "ImgTool" that you can find on Doom9 (be carefull, it is not ImgTool Classic)
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2 hour to transcode a movie ???
You probably used the last AEC feature, did you ? If yes, with which setting ?
I downloaded the latest version of Shrink. To be honest I pretty much left settings to default and I don't recall messing with AEC feature.

The only thing I set was region 2 for my DVD backups and the folder to where to send the ripped files.

Should it not take so long to encode then Phil?

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DOn't bother with that. Use "ImgTool" that you can find on Doom9 (be carefull, it is not ImgTool Classic)
Thanks for the info Phil I shall head over to Doom9 and check out that tool.
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My girlfriend has bought Along Came Polly and she asked me to make a backup for her.

This is taking 4 hours to encode in Shrink! Why so long.
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Should it not take so long to encode then Phil?
The process needs 30-45 minutes on my 1.4GHZ P4 (plus burning time of course).
But new AEC feature is known to increase the time A LOT. To be used only if comrpession is more than 15% !

Edit: 4hours ? Uncheck the AEC !
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Hi Phil where do I find the AEC please?

EDIT: She wanted to keep all the extras but I elimated all the soundtracks such as Director's Comments and other languages. Still left the compression down to about 65%
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Hi Phil where do I find the AEC please?
I can't tell you exactly now because I need to have a DVD to process in the drive to have access to the option.
But from memory it is in the options you can change after you have pressed on "Backup" button.
AEC is set to "sharpen" by default. You should have a "none" choice or something like that.
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Thanks Phil much appreciated.
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Hi Phil where do I find the AEC please?

EDIT: She wanted to keep all the extras but I elimated all the soundtracks such as Director's Comments and other languages. Still left the compression down to about 65%
the best guides that i found:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdshrink/
http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php

my recomendation is: first rip the dvds to hd with dvddecrypter...you will got velocity using dvdshrink using that ripped files!
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08-05-2004, 11:07 AM
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Thanks for the links to the guide Jorge, you are definately the king of finding links.

I don't think I have AEC turned on I just hit Open Disc.

Select Full Disc.

Then hit Backup.

For now I shall switch back to CloneDVD at least that is only 103 Minutes.

Maybe my Pioneer DVD-Rom ripping speed may need unlocking.
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08-05-2004, 11:13 AM
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Maybe my Pioneer DVD-Rom ripping speed may need unlocking.
They are limited to 2x speed when doing a DVD ripp ! SO yes, you need to change the firmware to unlock the speed.

See www.rpc1.org

Note : 65% ??? Forget the shrink, even with AEC. You need DVD-RB for that !
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She wanted to keep all the extras but I elimated all the soundtracks such as Director's Comments and other languages. Still left the compression down to about 65%[/b]
Method 1.
Just Reauthor using only the main movie only using the tracks for audio/subs you want to keep. (But "she" wants the extras, ok, ... next option: )

Method 2.

Well Shrink gots a nice option to really keep just what you want by maintaining the menue and extras etc.

Do go under the manual compression settings and set all you dont want to be inlcuded to "still image" state. Choose an image which will be shown later when entering that extra.
This makes the overall Quality rise very fast (depending on the main movie length) as these "still image"'ed tracks wont be included but exchanged to a still image state.
Means: No more Trailers etc. but extras etc. or what you want to keep/transcode.
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08-05-2004, 11:23 AM
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Thanks for the link Phil I did have that link bookmarked a while back but never got the chance to check it out fully I updated my DVD-Burner from there but not my DVD-ROM, I must go back now and sort that.

O.K Phil so it's best to use SansGrip's Opt or DVD-RB to get better quality.

I will have to mess around with this tool it was just that Shrink is so easy to use once set up.

Would it ever be possible to use the 'Notch' matrix for Shrink? Just think how good that tool would be with a decent compression routine.

Thanks again Phil and Jorge for the info provided here.

EDIT: Oops! Sorry and you also Inc thanks for your help buddy.
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08-05-2004, 11:31 AM
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Would it ever be possible to use the 'Notch' matrix for Shrink? Just think how good that tool would be with a decent compression routine.
Hummm.... hello ?

DVDShrink is not a encoder, it is a recoder (or transcoder, as you wish). That is why it takes only half an hour (or it is supposed to take that much ).

Recoding consist only in analysing mpeg streams and discard P-frames where they are not necessary and can be changed into B-frames.
(and probably change also I-frames into P-frames also but I'm not sure).

That is how comrpession is performed and why quality decrease very quickly ! The bigger the compression, the more key frames are turned into B ones.
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thread about it: (Incredible and undocumented DVD Shrink feature!! )
http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...threadid=25375

guide(flash) showing pictures with details, like ink told you:
http://www.dvdshrink.info/mixed-compressions.php

more good guides with details:
DVD-9 To DVD±R using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...name=shrinkold

How to add multiple movies / titles to one DVD using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...name=shrinkmix

How to split a DVD-9 to 2 DVD±R using DVD Shrink: http://www.dvd-guides.com/guides.php...me=shrinksplit
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08-05-2004, 11:54 AM
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That's what I thought Phil which is what confused me when It was taking 4 hours to process Along Came Polly.

Really seeing as it is only transcoding it shoud not take so long I didn't have deep analysis on so the only other prob could be the DVD-ROM speed.

I might have to flash the bios and update it or say unlock it.
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08-05-2004, 11:58 AM
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Thanks for the links Jorge.

@Phil

All I was really saying it would be nice to have a tool as easy to use as Shrink but could encode to KDVD.

I Know DVD-RB does this but it isn't as clean an interface as Shrink is.

If there were a tool for KDVD like Shrink is would be so easy to select your audio files, subs and Movie plus any extras you would want.

Sometimes it's nice to dream.
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