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08-23-2004, 09:19 AM
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hy boys!

a long time i don't do it and i have little cartoons with ~35/45 minutes, want to do little mini-kdvds(cdr) for my kid with kvcd notch...you know, i can put lots of that in dvd-r but i have more than 50 cdrs and can't find better use for that medias.
i forgot one detail: what's the size to do that? 700mb or 800 mb to burn as mini-dvd in nero?
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i forgot one detail: what's the size to do that? 700mb or 800 mb to burn as mini-dvd in nero?
thank you all!
Good question Jorel Unfortunally the answer is ... 700 MB.
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08-23-2004, 09:36 AM
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I do this a lot, especially when I don't want the commercials and logos with Stargate. I trim the bottom of the screen (believe me it still looks fine with bottom off!) and process with KWAG's DVD template centered and CQMATIC at 192 audio. Use TMPGEnc Author to mux. If the size comes out a little too large, I process with DVDShrink to get final files for image burn. I use 650 instead of 700, as I reuse R/W cds for this.

I use 700 for 80 min cds, 650 for 74 min cds.
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08-23-2004, 09:46 AM
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thank you Phil!

nicksteel, you are reading my mind!
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08-24-2004, 09:24 AM
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Hello all,
All my KVCD are in reality minidvd's because i prefer ac3 than mp2 (kvcd / vcd are only mp2 compatible), and i find menus and chapters more flexible than in vcd structure. So i encode my movie with KVCDx3 (480, 528 or 544x576) template, audio in ac3 at 112 or 128 Kbps.
On a 700 MB Cdr, you could normaly put ... 700MB because dvd is mode 1. But with ImgTool Burn, you can create cDVD (DVD in mode 2) image !!
DVD menus and extras take about 50MB with dvdlab wich accepts non standard résolutions 480, 544, 528 x 576(480) ..., so in CalcuMatic, choose a custom target and put 750MB.
Don't forget to test if your standalone accept miniDVD in mode 2 with non standard résolutions ...
aller, au revoir !
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08-24-2004, 03:30 PM
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On a 700 MB Cdr, you could normaly put ... 700MB because dvd is mode 1. But with ImgTool Burn, you can create cDVD (DVD in mode 2) image !!
Exactly how do you use ImgTool Burn to do 750 MB?
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08-24-2004, 06:07 PM
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On a 700 MB Cdr, you could normaly put ... 700MB because dvd is mode 1. But with ImgTool Burn, you can create cDVD (DVD in mode 2) image !!
Exactly how do you use ImgTool Burn to do 750 MB?
Click on settings/file system flags, and "Check" the "Mode-2" option.

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08-25-2004, 07:16 AM
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Exactly how do you use ImgTool Burn to do 750 MB?

Click on settings/file system flags, and "Check" the "Mode-2" option.

-kwag
Filesystem Flags has 4 "checks".

Enable UDF
Enable Joliet
Enable ISO 9660
Enable Mode 2

Which other flags should be checked?


I assume these are cDVD Defaults and I burn as cDVD.

Will the output size show 700MB max or 750MB max?

A lot of questions, but I prefer cDVD and would really like to stretch the size from 700MB to 750MB. (My Cyberhome 500 plays back many templates a bit "jumpy", but is smooth with cDVD or KDVD.)
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08-25-2004, 07:20 AM
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YOu missed something : the size of the cDVD is 800 Mb, not 750 !

750 is the size availaible for the video file, as the authoring and menu will take near 50 MB !
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08-25-2004, 08:10 AM
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YOu missed something : the size of the cDVD is 800 Mb, not 750 !

750 is the size availaible for the video file, as the authoring and menu will take near 50 MB !
Filesystem Flags has 4 "checks".

Enable UDF
Enable Joliet
Enable ISO 9660
Enable Mode 2

Which flags should be checked?

It will probably take me a few trys to use DVDLab and ImgTool Burn effectively and I appreciate the help/advice.
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08-26-2004, 04:59 AM
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Just another thing, don't set "Enable Joliet", you will have more chance to generate a compatible miniKDVD without it ...

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08-26-2004, 01:02 PM
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Used DVD with KDVD-720x480-Full-D1-_NTSC_.mcf to create 704x480 Film M2V with KWAG DVD avs and CQMatic.

CalcuMatic set to 82 min, 192 Bitrate, Custom Target 750 MB

M2V size 664369KB (Directory list in Windows)
MP2 size 115090KB (Directory list in Windows) Headac3he 192/48

Processed with DVDLab (Estimated DVD Size 782.98MB)
Entire created DVD folder size is 800MB (Directory list in Windows)

Processed with ImgTool Burn CD (Settings Enable UDF, Enabel ISO 9660, Enable Mode 2)

Error: Will not fit on 80MIN CD

DVDShrink shows DVD size 800MB
When I process as Image file in DVDLab, size of NRG file is 820653 (Directory list in Windows)

What is maximum size allowed for 80MIN CD and where am I screwing up?

As a "rule of thumb", what size in DVDLab "Estimated DVD Size" should be the maximum size allowed?
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08-27-2004, 04:24 AM
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You could put about 805 MO mode 2 on 80min cdr with overburn.
In ImgTool, go into "settings", "other settings", in "limits", set "ignore source size" and in "CD", put 710MB.
If it don't run, in "Devices" don't choose your burner, choose "image recorder". It will create an file.img ; burn it in nero with overburn.
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You could put about 805 MO mode 2 on 80min cdr with overburn.
In ImgTool, go into "settings", "other settings", in "limits", set "ignore source size" and in "CD", put 710MB.
If it don't run, in "Devices" don't choose your burner, choose "image recorder". It will create an file.img ; burn it in nero with overburn.
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This is probably where I was screwing up. Also, your PM advice to right click to build links in DVDLab worked fine. I don't know why I can't "drag and drop" for linkage, but it doesn't matter now!
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08-27-2004, 12:22 PM
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Still trying.

ImgTool burn gave too large error with settings above.

Made nrg file size from ImgTool Image at 795,689.

Nero overburn failed with Write error.
CD Image 88:24.44
777 MB
CD-ROM Mode2/XA

All this with KDVD-720x480-Full-D1-_NTSC_.mcf
CalcuMatic set to Custom 750
Muxed with DVDLab
Attempted burn with ImgTool Burn
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08-27-2004, 12:32 PM
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Made nrg file size from ImgTool Image at 795,689.

Nero overburn failed with Write error.
CD Image 88:24.44
777 MB
CD-ROM Mode2/XA
Oh Nero can report 88 minutes with a 777 MB file ? 777 is 77 minutes more or less
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08-27-2004, 02:18 PM
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hum hum ! bizar bizar !
Normaly 795 MO should fit on 80min mode 2 !!
i couldn't explain it ...
Try to burn it on a 90min CDr if you have one. I know it is not what we wanted first but i've no another way ! Sorry ...
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Made nrg file size from ImgTool Image at 795,689.

Nero overburn failed with Write error.
CD Image 88:24.44
777 MB
CD-ROM Mode2/XA
Oh Nero can report 88 minutes with a 777 MB file ? 777 is 77 minutes more or less
The movie is 82 minutes long. I'm now trying another movie.
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08-30-2004, 07:27 PM
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a big surprise (only informations for who is trying)

using as source cartoon 4:3 NTSC with 00h 48m 54s 15frames ,audio AC3-2Ch(no extras, only main movie):

MPEG2Source("D:\MKDVD\3 little pigs.D2V")
Undot()
Asharp(1,2)
BilinearResize(352,480)
Deen()

encoded in tmpgenc (MPEG-2 352*480 29,97fps with CQ90) KVCD notch matrix (of course) min500, max 8000(yeah,too high) high quality (msp), GOP:1,15,2,1,15
give me 1,09GB (1.145.515Kb) .mpg (video only)

the audio AC3-2Ch have 67,1MB and encoded in HeadAC3he in 128 give me 44,7MB

my choice was the AC3-2Ch from the source!
i take the .mpg and the AC3 to tmpgencdvdauthor to build menu and chapters.....done with 1,13Gb.

i take that authored cartoon from tmpgencdvdauthor to dvdshrink and adjusted the size to 700Mb(using "deep analysis")and encoded......done.

burned in nero as mini-dvd (full cd-rw 700mb).....nero show as 702Mb and with 79:47.59 time but the cartoon have 48:54.....(don't know where nero got that time!?!? )
was burned in cdr-w at 10X (only for test)

is very cool, better than my old svcds(in 2 medias)
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08-30-2004, 09:16 PM
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Hi :P
Nice, Jorel, very nice
I might as well do the same with some cartoons of my own
I'll let you know if the outcome is as good as your's.
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