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Just another suggestion. I have found that to find the correct film pixel area, it's easier to use TMPEG than to use the null transform filter of Vdub.
Good thinking Karl
I had already forgotten that possibility.
That just shows how long I have dropped Tmpgenc
I will add that possibility as the 1st reference.
The other two will remain just as an option for those that don't have/use Tmpgenc.
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When you input the numbers in FitCD, it will give you the correct resizing and AddBorders statements. It just doesn't do the cropping in the script properly.
I am sorry to not having seen that before but I do not agree with you at all ! FitCD does the crop exactly as it should be done !
For intance :
Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 4,70,4,70
Result = LanczosResize(704,432,4,70,712,436)

Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 4,70,10,70
Result = LanczosResize(704,432,4,70,706,436)

Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 10,70,4,70
LanczosResize(704,432,10,70,706,436)

You can see that if you change the right border only, the change is taken into account by modifying the crop area, and if you change the left one, the offset of left corner is changed also. This is the correct way to process.

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Which means, you should use your own cropping and take the resizing and AddBorders from FitCD.
Not necessary at all, as explained above.

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You'll also have to choose 'No cropping' in FitCD so it won't do any cropping on its own. [...]
If the A/R error is more than -2% (for example -3%), crop less horizontally. Start by removing 2 pixels from the parameters that crop either the left or right side of the image. If the A/R error is over 2% (for example, 2.7%), crop less vertically.
That is done (more or less) automatically by using the "accurate" mode. Doing it manually is not really better.
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When you input the numbers in FitCD, it will give you the correct resizing and AddBorders statements. It just doesn't do the cropping in the script properly.
I am sorry to not having seen that before but I do not agree with you at all ! FitCD does the crop exactly as it should be done !
For intance :
Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 4,70,4,70
Result = LanczosResize(704,432,4,70,712,436)
Yep, this one's clear to me.

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Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 4,70,10,70
Result = LanczosResize(704,432,4,70,706,436)

Source = 720 * 576
Border (L/T/R/B) = 10,70,4,70
LanczosResize(704,432,10,70,706,436)
This one isn't. I did a small test and you are correct, I just wonder how does Avisynth know that it should crop more on the left than the right side (and vice versa)? That was my point for doing the manual cropping.

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You'll also have to choose 'No cropping' in FitCD so it won't do any cropping on its own. [...]
If the A/R error is more than -2% (for example -3%), crop less horizontally. Start by removing 2 pixels from the parameters that crop either the left or right side of the image. If the A/R error is over 2% (for example, 2.7%), crop less vertically.
That is done (more or less) automatically by using the "accurate" mode. Doing it manually is not really better.[/quote]

Doing it manually allows to leave the film pixels intact, FitCD crops more to maintain a correct A/R. But as always, it's a matter of taste. If you use the script FitCD gives, it's of course the easiest way to let the program do the automatic cropping.

In short, maybe Rui should edit his guide again
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In short, maybe Rui should edit his guide again
That's why I said I was sorry to see that only today
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In short, maybe Rui should edit his guide again
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That's why I said I was sorry to see that only today

No problem
Noone else wants to change their opinion
Then I'll wait for tonight to change everything needed.
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It makes the forum run slower and it raises Karl's ISP account transfers.
Makes the user's download slower, but doesn't raise my ISP's transfer, because the downloads are coming from your links

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I'm confused...
Shall I live those as they are, or make download links as jeo advised?
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In my opinion they should stay visible, much easier that way as they are available without clicking each and every one of them.
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That's also my opinion.
But then, some are really big in resolution size and data space.
Karl, says space is not an issue because it's being downloaded from another site.
But it is for guys that are viewing the guide because in slow links it can take a while to download everything...
As to size (almost full 1024x76 I'm only uncertain because maybe it won't look too good...
But I guess I'll go for full pics on page.
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Come on guys.
No need for anybody to get annoyed over a small tutor, right?
Besides, and since my wife is not feeling so good today, I'll only have time to update it tomorrow.
So for today, I'll enjoy 5 more minutes of forum browsing and tomorrow I'll do all the changes based on everybody's valuable oppinion.
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@Rui,

Post both pictures. The thumbnails, and the large ones. Then everyone will be happy
If anyone has a fast connection, they can click on the large ones. For slow connections, they can click on the small ones.
Happy everyone

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12-06-2004, 06:14 PM
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better idea if you all excuse me:
post only the links that i wrote cos will open a new page and don't need the thumbnails cos nobody can understand the small pictures and after you click in the thumbnails it will open a new page with the same pictures of the links but with more details,
I agree to that, but then, add a text that says just that, or something like: "Slow connections, click here", and another text that says: "Fast connections, click here", etc.
That will accomodate everyone.
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large file size and irrelevants propagandas inside.
Could you please explain this
I didn't understand that
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seems that nobody understood why i posted the direct link that only show the full pictures alone: is for full details in less size that load faster!

thanks!
Maybe now it's more clear with what I added

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12-06-2004, 07:20 PM
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Ok,
Everybody made their point
I'll let Karl decide what's in the best interest of the forum and it's users.
Then I'll repost everything with the corrections needed.
I just need to finish a couple of pictures.
And then maybe we should clean this thread, a bit
Thanks to everybody that is contributing.
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Do not be surprised if some posts seem to have disappeared, it's normal

I just add my two cents :
- when a site offers free service, it is normal that it does "propaganda". So please do NOT use other links than the ones provided by the site

- a tutorial is attractive only if it has pictures. A long post with no image is boring, so I suggest to let the thumbnails. I am the one that decided that the post must become a tuto and I wouldn't have done this is there was no picture.

Last but not least :

- I ask to normal users to not discuss moderators hints. This is a normal rule for any forum, including kvcd.net. Pro64 and Boulder are moderators of the present forum section.
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12-08-2004, 03:14 PM
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Oi Correia, excelente tutorial, eu não li a thread inteira (estou no trabalho agora) mas parece ter bastante informações interessantes, assim que chegar em casa vou ler tudo (ou melhor, tentar pelo menos, meu inglês é fraco), mais pra frente, quando você estiver com tempo, teria como você disponibiliza-lo em português também ?

Realmente ficou muito bom e bem detalhado, parabéns!

Um abraço!
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Hum hmu... I know two guys (giniboy and rui) are portuguese natives but please, do post in english here. Thanks
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@ginoboy,
Thanks gino
It was basically team work
As to translating it to Portuguese, I'm affraid I don't have much time.
Maybe in the near future.
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Hum hmu... I know two guys (giniboy and rui) are portuguese natives but please, do post in english here. Thanks
Ok Phil, thanks.

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Ok, thanks..

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