Convert Divx to KVCD?

skarecrow · #1 04-16-2004, 12:12 AM

ok, new to this, and admittedly stumbled on it by fluke when I found a template in an ftp I was browsing. I promptly plunked it into tmpgenc, the KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf template, loaded a divx movie, set the stream type to audio and video, no other settings... then promptly kvcd'd or recompressed 7 or 8 movies to like 2/3 the size, all of which worked on my standalone dvd... using nero to VCD ... no complaints from any software.
Much to my surprise... they all fit on one cd. Kewl!
Then of course, I did a straight mpg, currently vcd, and recompressed with tmpgenc with the template, and made my vcd, a previously 466,000 m file went to 228,000. Again cool, til I burned it and played... audio whacked. Out of synch etc etc.
THEN I looked you guys up, found there is actually a site, and a rather lengthy, tho not really complex, I'm fair novice at this, routine to do all this. I didn't find any mention of anyone just burning d/lable divxs straight to vcd using the templates, tho it werx everytime. I'm right now re-encoding the same CSI episode with DR Divx ,and hope it will work after I take the avi and compress with e KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf template set to audio AND video betcha it works like the movies I did. hee Hoping, has anyone else tried this? Why did all the other movies come out fine straight to tmpgenc with the template and Video AND audio setting? Or did I miss this procedure? I have the altered template here, if anyone wnants it, and a few divx movies. Is there a even faster way?

skarecrow · #2 04-16-2004, 10:42 AM

ok worked, don't know if this helps save any steps. I just used the existing 29.97 352 240 VCD mg nd compressed with DIVX 5 codec, then recompressed with temphenc and the aforementioned template. Came out perfect, at slightly less than 1/2 the original size.
To anyone that knows what they are doing... is there a faster convertor than Dr Divx?
Honestly I'm trial and error here, so any input would help....

kwag · #3 04-16-2004, 10:49 AM

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Hi skarecrow,

Have you read any of the AVI to KVCD guides available on the front page (right side) at www.kvcd.net

-kwag

skarecrow · #4 04-16-2004, 11:02 AM

did now, thnx kwag sir!
Tho I still not sure about all the additional steps, unless I am missing a big point here in this, I'm on my 15th conversion this am/ and p/m last night, and am still going straight from divx to kvcd vcd compatible with nothing else than tmpgenc and the template. What will I gain with the additional steps and soft? Straight from divx to kvcd vcd compatible seems fine audio and all, with out the additional settings etc...?

kwag · #5 04-16-2004, 11:18 AM

When you use AviSynth, and the filters it includes, you'll be able to obtain even more quality at a smaller space.
Read about the MA scripts in the forum.
You'll find information in the Optimal scripts section here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=38

-kwag

L3thal · #6 10-06-2004, 04:27 PM

Hi
can you send me the KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf template or tell me where i can download it from.

Prodater64 · #7 10-06-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L3thal

Hi
can you send me the KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf template or tell me where i can download it from.

http://www.kvcd.net/dvd-models.html

Red panel, 3rd. template from the right side. Download it with right click.

L3thal · #8 10-06-2004, 05:39 PM

KVCD-CQ-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf is different than
KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf...... is it?

Prodater64 · #9 10-06-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L3thal

KVCD-CQ-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf is different than
KVCD-120-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf...... is it?

I think it is the same. I saw that when I pointed you to that page. If you look a little bit around, you can see "until 120 min. of video" or so. 120 means 120 minutes of video.

L3thal · #10 10-07-2004, 04:00 PM

thanks a lot

corrupt2k · #11 12-05-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skarecrow

did now, thnx kwag sir!
Tho I still not sure about all the additional steps, unless I am missing a big point here in this, I'm on my 15th conversion this am/ and p/m last night, and am still going straight from divx to kvcd vcd compatible with nothing else than tmpgenc and the template. What will I gain with the additional steps and soft? Straight from divx to kvcd vcd compatible seems fine audio and all, with out the additional settings etc...?

I have heard of people only using the TMPEGENC template and nothing else like you described. However, whenever I try to do this with a DIVX, the result is video only and no sound. Does anyone know what causes (or doesn't cause) the sound to work? Is it a certain codec that must be installed?

kwag · #12 12-05-2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by corrupt2k

I have heard of people only using the TMPEGENC template and nothing else like you described. However, whenever I try to do this with a DIVX, the result is video only and no sound. Does anyone know what causes (or doesn't cause) the sound to work? Is it a certain codec that must be installed?

Hi corrupt2k,

All the templates are set to encode video without audio. The reason is that TMPEG is a very good video encoder, but not a good audio encoder

For encoding audio, please search the "HeadAC3he" forum, and there you will find how to encode the audio.
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=16
As for DivX related topics, we no longer discuss anything related to DivX conversions. Only DVD backups or high quality AVI captures done with lossless Codecs, like HuffYUV or similar.

-kwag

corrupt2k · #13 12-05-2004, 07:30 PM

Ok, so I get all of the video from tmpgenc. Then I must get the audio separatly, encode it (with h3adache, etc), and then mux the two together?

Prodater64 · #14 12-05-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kwag

The reason is that TMPEG is a very good video encoder, but not a good audio encoder

-kwag

Actually this is a "tabú" in these temps, isn't it Karl?
TMPGEnc can encode, from long time ago, with toolame (or mpg2enc, I never remember that), same tool that uses Besweet.

corrupt2k · #15 12-05-2004, 07:37 PM

Ok, excellent. So my final result before authoring a DVD will be several .MPG files in KVCD format. Is this correct?

kwag · #16 12-05-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

The reason is that TMPEG is a very good video encoder, but not a good audio encoder

-kwag

Actually this is a "tabú" in these temps, isn't it Karl?

No it's not

TMPEG is a very bad audio encoder, unless you use an external encoder, such as HeadAC3he, toolame or SCMPX. Period.

Quote:

TMPGEnc can encode, from long time ago, with toolame (or mpg2enc, I never remember that), same tool that uses Besweet.

Sure, and that's refering to "external" encoders. Not TMPEG's "internal" encoder, which sucks

-kwag

kwag · #17 12-05-2004, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by corrupt2k

Then I must get the audio separatly, encode it (with h3adache, etc), and then mux the two together?

Yep

-kwag

kwag · #18 12-05-2004, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by corrupt2k

Ok, excellent. So my final result before authoring a DVD will be several .MPG files in KVCD format. Is this correct?

Exactly, but if your target is DVD, you don't need to mux, because the authoring program will do that for you.
You just drag the video and audio files, and the authoring program is what will do the mux.

-kwag

Dialhot · #19 12-05-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Actually this is a "tabú" in these temps, isn't it Karl?
TMPGEnc can encode, from long time ago, with toolame (or mpg2enc, I never remember that), same tool that uses Besweet.

To be precise, you can ask to tmpgenc to encode the audio apart from the video by calling an external tool (toolame) and in the end, to mux the result with the video that is encoded in a second operation.
We can't say than tmpgenc can encode audio then... it just knows how to use real (external) audio engines.

Prodater64 · #20 12-05-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialhot

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Originally Posted by Prodater64

Actually this is a "tabú" in these temps, isn't it Karl?
TMPGEnc can encode, from long time ago, with toolame (or mpg2enc, I never remember that), same tool that uses Besweet.

To be precise, you can ask to tmpgenc to encode the audio apart from the video by calling an external tool (toolame) and in the end, to mux the result with the video that is encoded in a second operation.
We can't say than tmpgenc can encode audio then... it just knows how to use real (external) audio engines.

Your precision is very good.
I knew that already but you explain it better than me.
I mean, I wanted to say that you are saying now.
I wanted mean that templates could be changed officialy without problem in the present time.