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Hi Guys,

I just wanted to know what are the optimal settings for RB-OPT version 0.17 Beta when used with DVD-RB.

I have DVD-RB Pro version 0.93.2 and I usually use the 3 click mode to make my backups and use RB-OPT for OPV prediction and KDVD template for CCE.

I am backup up my 'Planet of the Apes TV Series" which comes on 4 DVD's and the first 3 DVD's have 4 episodes with the last DVD having just 2 episodes.

My source is PAL and as so I assume Progressive.

There are 4 VOB-ID's (1 ID per episode I presume) which are:

VTS 1 - Vob-ID 1
VTS 1 - Vob-ID 2
VTS 1 - Vob-ID 3
VTS 1 - Vob-ID 4


Do I leave these 4 eps seperate or do I join them as one ID? The reason I ask is I didn't I treated them one at a time and did the settings seperately.

These are the settings I use:

Click the OPV radio button.
Click the CCE Settings button. Then:

Passes: 2
DC PRecision: 8
Gop Length: 15
Block Scan Order: Zig-Zag <--Although I am not sure of this setting whether it should be Alternative or not.
Progressive: Haven't a clue, I assume I have to tick it as my source is Progressive.
Min Bitrate: 64
Max Bitrate: 6500
Quantization Matrices: Custom, KDVD

I don't touch any other of the settings in RB-OPT, is this correct.

In OPV Prediction

Predictions options.

Sample size: 1
Safety Margin: 2
GOPs per range: 3
Double Pass: Unticked
Launched Encoder Minimised: Ticked

Hit predict.

I was gettings Q's of about 69-70 per VOB-ID's, I thought this was bad.

I set up DVD-RB Pro as SansGrip said in this post ages ago, although the options have slightly changed now it seems.

Can someone please tell if I have done this correct as I haven't backup up a DVD for ages and sort of forgotten how to use this tool.
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What you did is almost the optimal. But what is important to know is :

- do you used some filters in the advanced avisynth option of DVD-RB ? If not you should at least put :
Code:
RemoveGrain()
Deen()
Letterbox(16,16,16,16)
- what is the length in minutes of the total ?

BTW what I'd suggest is to change the maxium video bitrate to 6000, or even 4500 if you have more than 3 hours (remember that KDVD is correct with 4 hours in widescreen, but no more than 3h in full screen !)
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Hi Phil,

Again thank you so much for your rapid resonse I appreciate your help and wisdom.

Each episode is 0:47:47.

Approx 3hrs and 12 mins.

Can you please explain to me what the Letterbox line is for Phil as I don't really understand.

Where would I add these lines Phil at the end?

Here is the AviSynth default script (In RB-Opt):

Code:
1 - #------------------
 2 - # AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
 3 - # VOBID:01, CELLID:01
 4 - #------------------
 5 - LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
 6 - mpeg2source("G:\MyMovies\Conversions\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
 7 - trim(0,1789)
 8 - ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
 9 - AudioDub(BlankClip())
Addional info on the back of the box.

Aspect ratio: 1.33:1

Full Frame: 4:3
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Hi Phil,

I just downloaded RemoveGrain for the site: http://www.removegrain.de.tf/

I hope that is the correct url.

I am confused there are 12 .dll files in there. Do I extract all the files in the zip to my AviSynth plugin folder or just the RemoveGrain.dll

I appreciate your help on this matter.
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Can you please explain to me what the Letterbox line is for Phil as I don't really understand.
DVD-RB encode all in 720x576. And we all know that the active area of the picture is 704x576. And I do not talk about overscan that adds some more useless pixels.
The letterbox command put black pixels all arround the picture. As these pixels won't be displayed on the TV, the black ones will be compressed a lot more than the original pixels of the picture.

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Where would I add these lines Phil at the end?
In DVD Rebuilder ! As said in my previous post.
Option -> Avisynth option -> advanced -> filters (something like this. I'm using DVD-RB right now so the menu is grayed and I can't check)

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Aspect ratio: 1.33:1

Full Frame: 4:3
I'm not surprise about your Q value then.

Filters + max videobitrate to 4500 will be better.
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Thanks again Phil for your answers.

I remember now from SansGrip post that you suggested 4500 as a max, I forgot and put 6500 instead. Thanks for clearing that up for me along with the Letterbox command now I understand.

I appreciate your wisdom.

On the RemoveGrain front I have a Pentium 3 so which one do I use and do I extract all the files or just certain ones.

Also there is repair.dll & SSETools.dll what are these?

Thanks again Phil.
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On the RemoveGrain front I have a Pentium 3 so which one do I use and do I extract all the files or just certain ones.
First there is two filters in one package : removegrain and repair. We do not need repair, so you can drop all the dll related to it.
Second, I have a pentium 4, with SSE2, and I use only RemovegrainSS2.dll. I guess that with a P3 you need to use only RemoveGrain.dll.

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Also there is repair.dll & SSETools.dll what are these?
I don't know about the last one. Surely something new. Read the doc
(but you don't have SSE2 so I guess this is not for you anyway).

Note: I didn't see that :
Code:
 8 - ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
 9 - AudioDub(BlankClip())
Remove these two lines !

(Again, this is in DVD-RB that you fix that. you have to uncheck two options that are checked by default).

Line 8 was for CCE 2.50. Line 9 is needed only on an Athlon ! This is not your case.
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Option -> Avisynth option -> advanced -> filters (something like this. I'm using DVD-RB right now so the menu is grayed and I can't check)
Hi Phil,

I just checked the options in DVD-RB here is what I have:

AVS Options:

ConvertToYUY2(): Ticked
AudioDub(BlankClip()): Ticked
Filter Editor:
Selecting this pops up a box where I can add my script which will appear after the trim() line it says. Then click Save & Exit.
Deinterlace with DECOMB: Unticked
Set Decoder iDCT: Decoder Default
Disable Interlace:
<--- Should I put a checkmark against 'Apply to All' this is unticked at present and my source being Progressive I thought I should tick it?
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The filters have to be put into the Filter Editor (paste the three line I gave to you into the widow that pops up)
And the two first "tickled" options are the two one you have to untickle.

Edit: about disable interlace : it seems that here DVD-RB detects that your source is not progressive - see the "interlaced = true" put in the "ConvertoYUY2 line- . If you are sure that it is, then yes you have to check this option. But generally it is not necessary (I never had to check it).
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Again Phil thank you so much for your time and patients with me you have taught me so much and now hopefully I can go away and produce a great quality back up.

I really appreciate your answers thank you Phil.
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You're welcome.

BTW, as we are talking about DVD-RB : there is a incompatibility with it and DVDDecrypter 3.5.4 (I didn't have this before).! The two DVD I did since I have 3.5.4 and dvd-RB 0.93 suffer the same problem : DVD-RB do not read the correct length for the movie (it told the movie was 777 MB insteed of 4.6 GB !)

I solved this by using DVDShrink to ripp the DVD insteed of DVDDecrypter.
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Quote:
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You're welcome.

BTW, as we are talking about DVD-RB : there is a incompatibility with it and DVDDecrypter 3.5.4 (I didn't have this before).! The two DVD I did since I have 3.5.4 and dvd-RB 0.93 suffer the same problem : DVD-RB do not read the correct length for the movie (it told the movie was 777 MB insteed of 4.6 GB !)

I solved this by using DVDShrink to ripp the DVD insteed of DVDDecrypter.
Thanks for the tip Phil I shall use Shrink to rip the DVD just to be on the safe side.

Do u think future updates of DVD-RB will solve this problem?
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Hi Phil,

I don't know if this problem has been fixed in the updated version.

I have the Pro 0.93.2 version and I read this from the Rebuilder Readme:

Quote:
May 26th, 2005 (v0.93.2)
CHANGES MADE TO PRO VERSION ONLY
- Added a checkmark on the menu for AVS Filter
editing. If checked it indicates that filters
are present in the editor. Also added a line
to the status/log when starting a job that shows
filters are in effect.
- Adjusted the ISO Image creation code so it would
be more robust in recognizing error conditions.
- Fixed an error in the ISO Image creation routine
in which ISO output would fail when any of the
program, output, or working directories contained
a embedded spaces.
- Changed the registry entry from which the DVD
Decrypter path was collected, the one used may
not have been set on all systems.
- (v0.93.1) Corrected an error that was causing
"Runtime 13" when the "ENCODERS" directory wasn't
created.
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Do u think future updates of DVD-RB will solve this problem?
I don't see anyone reporting the problem on doom9 forum so I don't think the author is aware. But it's probably due to options I checked in dvddecrypter because I guess that you used it also and you don't have the problem.
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Hi Phil,

I haven't had any probs yet I will let you know on this thread if things don't work out correctly.
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Hi Phil,

I just ran my VOBs of my DVD through DGIndex and hit the F5 button and previewed my video and it has reported the Frame Type as Interlaced.

The reason I checked this is because when checking my script in RB-Opt the last line said this: "11 - ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)"

So I had to quickly check this in DGIndex to confirm if it is Interlaced.

EDIT: So I made sure that Progressive is Unticked in RB-Opt CCE Settings.

EDIT2: Is ZigZag still the best method to use if the source is Interlaced or does this not matter what the source is?
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Phil I got this error for CCE SP Trail 2.67 (Using EclCCE.exe):

Frame size 796x56 is not supported. Supported frame sizes up to 720x576

Here is my script in RB-Opt:
Code:
 1 - #------------------
 2 - # AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
 3 - # VOBID:04, CELLID:01
 4 - #------------------
 5 - LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll")
 6 - mpeg2source("G:\MyMovies\Conversions\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
 7 - trim(214930,216804)
 8 - RemoveGrain() 
 9 - Deen() 
10 - Letterbox(16,16,16,16)
11 - ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
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I think the error lies with RemoveGrain.

I looked at the script in WMP and I got this error: unable to load plugin.
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Frame size 796x56 is not supported. Supported frame sizes up to 720x576
avisynth error -> open the script in virtualdub to see the text of the error.
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I took a section from the RemoveGrain Readme regarding ColorSpaces and YUY2()
Quote:
Color Spaces
Until version 0.7 the above filters did also support the color spaces YUY2, RGB24 and RGB32. It did so by converting these interleaved formats internally into a planar ones, then the planar intemediate formats were processed as YV12 and finally the intermediate planar formats were converted back into the original interleaved formats. If ,as in some of the above scripts, many instances of the above filters are used, these conversion routines resulted in enormous overhead. Also the conversion routines were not optimised. Beginning with verison 0.8 we have dropped support for the interleaved color spaces in favor of their planar analogs. For Avisynth planar YUY2, RGB24 or RGB32 frames look just like the ordinary interleaved frames of these color spaces. However, the organization of the data on these frames is very different. The not yet released plugin SSETools (preliminary versions are included in the RemoveGrain package) contains the basic filters Interleaved2Planar and Planar2Interleaved. For YV12 these filters do absolutely nothing. For the other color spaces, Interleaved2Planar converts the interleaved frames into frames with planar data organisation and Planar2Interleaved reverses this conversion. Thus Interleaved2Planar().Planar2Interleaved and Planar2Interleaved.Interleaved2Planar(). leaves any frame unchanged. Thus Planar2Interleaved and Interleaved2Planar are lossless filters. For YUY2 the filters Interleaved2Planar() and Planar2Interleaved are highly optimised and shouldn't cost much more than a simple bitblt. Now, in order to prohibit unexperienced users from applying the above filters to interleaved color spaces, we have added the boolean variable planar to RemoveGrain, Repair and TemporalRepair. If planar=false (the default value), then these filters reject YUY2, RGB24 and RGB32 frames. Only if planar=true, then these filters accept YUY2, RGB24 and RGB32 input, but always assume that the data are organised in a planar way. If you use planar=true with ordinary interleaved input, you get garbage. Clense and MCClense like most other purely temporal filters work the same way with planar and interleaved input. Thus these filters have no planar variable and work both with planar and interleaved input. TemporalRepair(smooth=0) is also purely temporal and thus accepts YUY2, RGB24 and RGB32 input even with planar=false. On the other hand,TemporalRepair(smooth=1) has also spatial aspects and therefore rejects any YUY2, RGB24 and RGB32 input with planar=false. In the not too distant future there should be a web site www.PlanarYUY2.de.tf , which will list filters and there compatibility with planar YUY2, RGB24, RGB32.
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