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12-06-2006, 10:10 AM
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Hello to everyone! First of all let me say I have not posted on the site in a very long time so please excuse if this is dumb question. I used to encode with Tmpgec but since I got dvd burner and dvd shrink I quit encoding. Well, now I would like to put two or three of my daughters movies on one dvd and I dug out Tmpgenc and dvd2avi and moviestacker and gave it a go. Well I made it through dvd2avi then moviestacker and after encoding with tmpgenc, version 2.521 plus, I got no video just audio. The file size came to 675MB! I used KDVD full resolution. I dont have exact script with me cause I am at work but it is the MA script that I created in moviestacker, I know it is old but I still got it.

Anyone have any idea why no video?
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Can you see the video during the encoding ? And before it in the preview of tmpgenc ?

Can you open your file in GSpot to see what it tells to you ?
675 MB is just the audio track you think ? That is huge .
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Dialhot, thanks for the quick reply.

I did not see the video while it was encoding thru tmpgenc, but I think I had preview turned off (maybe), I will have to check that when I get home. I ripped the dvd, which by the way was Hulk, with dvd decrypter file mode, then I opened the first vob in dvd2avi 1.76 and watched thru that to see if film 95% or whatever (as per the guide I found) and then did the settings and save project. I then called up the d2v file in moviestacker and selected dvd output, MA script, saved script. Then I loaded the script in tmpgenc along with the audio from dvd2avi, loaded the kdvd full template and hit start. Woke up this morning and went to play finished file and no video, just audio and a file size of about 675 mb. Not sure what the file size should be around because this is my first with the full dvd template. I will try and open the file in gspot when i get home in a few hours.

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Just to refresh your memory just in case you have forgotten you need XviD and readavs.dll.
Otherwise it won't work.
Without XviD your PC can't decode YV12 colorspace (DVD) and without readavs.dll TMPGEnc can't open the avisynth script.
Just try to open your script in VirtualDubMod and see if the video is there.
Then get back here and we'll take in from there .

EDIT

KVCD target for a CD is 800MB.
KDVD target for DVD-/+R is ~4484MB.
Apparently noone really knows the official full lenght of DVD

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rds, thanks for the reply but i have one question regarding readavs, wouldn't I get an error from tmpgenc that it can't open the avs script? Xvid, I don't believe I had that installed before either. I just got home and going to grab a bite to eat and then I will try gspot and readavs and xvid. Oh yeah, gotta grab vdub mod too. Will post back in a about an hour or two
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Go ahead, have dinner and come back with a GSpot information on what codec is actually decoding that DVD (YV12).
I have the bad feeling that it is either FFDShow or something else even more weird.
BTW there is actually no way TMPGEnc can read an avisynth script without readavs.dll being installed.
Well maybe it can in case you use AviSource or DirectShowSource instead of MPEG2Source but that's only for AVI/MPEG4 sources and even in that case I'm not 100% confident.
Unless...unless you are not feeding the script into TMPGEnc and instead you're opening the D2V file that you created with DVD2AVI - which BTW has been superseded by DGIndex.
But 1st let's see that GSpot report on the avs file .
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OK, i installed the readavs and i get black screen with red writing at the top that say avstreamsynth:system exception - access violation.

On my way to install gspot.


By the way, here is my script

#================================================= ===#
# --== AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.1.0 ==-- #
#================================================= ===#
# #
# ~ Movie Title...: The Hulk #
# ~ Movie Length..: 202548 frames (02:20:4 #
# ~ Size & Rate...: 720x480 @ 23.976 fps #
# ~ Dest Aspect...: DVD (720x480) #
# ~ Avg BitRate...: 554kbps (1x80min CD) #
# ~ Audio.........: 224kbps (228.64MB per CD) #
# #
#================================================= ===#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\Undot.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\aSharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_YV12.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")

Mpeg2Source("C:\DVD 2 Avi Projects\Hulk.d2v")
Undot()
aSharp(1, 4)
GripCrop(720, 480, overscan=3, source_anamorphic=false)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))

## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ##
ScriptClip("nf = YDifferenceToNext()" + chr(13) + "nf >= 2 ? \
UnFilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ) : \
TemporalSoften( fmin(round(2/nf),6), round(1/nf), round(3/nf), 1, 1) ")

GripBorders()

## Functions ##
function fmin(int a, int b) {return (a < b) ? a : b}
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Oh boy!
But before installing readavs.dll were you already having that avisynth error message?
Ok, let's do a fresh restart here.
You need to get installed:
-Avisynth 2.5.6a, not more and not less than that
-Readavs.dll, you need to read the instructions because the path that you copy the dll to will have to be registered in the registry using the *.reg file that accompanies readavs. And please use double backslashes.
Uninstall any FFDShow if you have and (re)install Nic's XviD 1.1.2.
Now everything has to work.
At least it should
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Try this and tell me if you can watch it on Media Player Classic or VLC or even Windows Media Player.
Best would be to use VDubMod...

Code:
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
Mpeg2Source("C:\DVD 2 Avi Projects\Hulk.d2v")
Please note that you shouldn't be still using Moviestacker because it is really outdated.
To help you create a working script with crop/resize/addborders such as SansGrip's GripFit please use PARanoia.
Also you should never ever create folders with special characters (such as чур) and or spaces such as C:\DVD 2 Avi Projects.
Avisynth doesn't like those too much or then it's the filters I don't really know.
Also get rid of DVD2AVI and download DGIndex.
And if you do so please be advised that you will need to recreate your D2V project and that your script will have to look like this:

Code:
dgdecode_mpeg2source("C:\DVD 2 Avi Projects\Hulk.d2v")
And you will have to copy dgdecode.dll that comes with DGIndex to avisynth plugin's folder.
BTW what guide did you read?
I'm terribly sorry that we haven't updated the guides in a long while...
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get the red writing after installing readavs. gspot say mpeg2 codec and installed.
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You mean only after installing readavs?
Please read my post above and do as written.
Use the small script that I posted (the 1st one) and tell me if you still see the read message and tell me what the message says.
And make sure you have Avisynth 2.5.6a installed.
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going between two different computers, the one i am encoding on is not hooked to the net. I dont know what i did but now i am getting movement on the encoding, but it is a bunch of messed up colors.

Avisynth 2.5.7 and i am going to try your script now.

Script wont work, unspecified error
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Encoding as we speak, i mean as i type. I uninstalled avisynth 2.5.7 and installed 2.5.6 and it is working. Thank you for all your help. I will report back and let you know the results.
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Let's go over this one more time.
You have Avisynth 2.5.6a (or newer) installed.
You kick Moviestaker out of your PC.
You download both Nic's XviD and DGIndex and PARanoia.
You install XviD.
You install DGIndex 1.4.8 and you recreate your D2V project and this time to a small path without spaces or special chars in it.
You copy the dgdecode.dll that comes with dgindex to "C:\Program Files\Avisynth\Plugins" or whatever folder you have Avisynth installed.
Just make sure you copy the dll to the plugins folder inside the folder where Avisynth is installed.
Create a small script just to test you setup like this:
Code:
dgdecode_mpeg2source("c:\movies\hulk\d2v\hulk.d2v")
Now open that script with VDubMod or Media Player Classic.
It can't show you any red warning message.
The you just have to install readavs or check the registry entry to see where it is pointing and change it if needed.
You just can't fail.
I know it because I have just done a system reinstall a few days ago.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tutankhamun
I used to encode with Tmpgec but since I got dvd burner and dvd shrink I quit encoding.
Shame on you!
Do you know what you're missing?
Shrink is nice if you don't have enough time and if the DVD is to keep the original menus, audio tracks and director comments.
But if you're looking for simple backup with 1xvideo+1xaudio+1xsubtitle with a nice handmade menu, then you need to get back at encoding .
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Thanks for all the help rds, I wrote down all the programs you just listed and I will get busy reading about them. Yeah I used to have fun doing the encoding and it is coming back to me little by little. Time, what is that? I dont have time to take a ----! I work two jobs, seven days a week. And if that is not enough, throw in a 4 yr old. But anyway, I am looking forward to doing the encoding as I would like to get a couple of her original dvd's onto one. I shall see how it goes. It will probably take me a couple of encodes to get a rough idea of the file size with the dvd template, never used it before, (used to use the kvcdx3 528x480 template) but like i said i am hoping to get at least 2 movies per dvd if not 3. I read someone got all three matrix on one dvd so I think i got a chance. Just going to take me a few days to get back in the rythem. Thanks again for the help. I'm sure i will be lurkin here more often now.
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Now I see why I didn't miss the encoding thing, ran all night and finished file has wrong audio. But that is my fault, i did not double check it. But the file size with no tweaks to the half dvd res template, ntsc was 1.02 gb, so that makes me think 3 or 4 movies! Doing the hulk over again while I go to work and then spiderman tonight and probable batman tomorrow. Then try and author them and see final size. Can't wait to see if i can accomplish this, it will be awsome if i can.
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But the file size with no tweaks to the half dvd res template, ntsc was 1.02 gb, so that makes me think 3 or 4 movies! Doing the hulk over again while I go to work and then spiderman tonight and probable batman tomorrow. Then try and author them and see final size. Can't wait to see if i can accomplish this, it will be awsome if i can.
You should check the visual quality of the final result. What is the CQ value you use during the encoding ? By default the templates use CQ=60 if I'm not wrong, and this is not really good. Better to raise it to 70 or 75 and target for 2 movies on a disc.

And better better is to discover CQMatic there :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=64
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Dialhot, thanks for the reply. I am not sure what the default cq was, did not look, just loaded the template and changed the audio to 224. All i know is that i changed my script to match the 1/2 dvd template resolution, not the full and upped the audio to 224. But i suppose i could change the audio back to 192 and up the cq to 70. If I am not mistaken, i remember something about 20 mb's per 4 cq's or maybe it was 2 cq's. Should equal out if not just a little bigger. I was driving to work and thinking about the above post i wrote and i guess i should have asked it it was possible to do this. I figured i could load three different movies, or 4 if small enough, in tmpgenc dvd author and link each movie to the menu. This can be done right?

Will give a look c at cqmatic during lunch. I wish I had the programs infront of me cause i had a couple of questions. When I get home tonight I will write them down. Something about the anamorphic and iv- something on the right side of moviestacker and the section below it where you select the 1, 2, 3 and it gives you that error setting. What should you do there, try and get as close to 0.00 as possible and do you ues resize or overlay?

Sorry guys and gals, it has been at least 3 yrs since i done any encoding but i am trying to get back on the bus!!
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Quote:
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If I am not mistaken, i remember something about 20 mb's per 4 cq's or maybe it was 2 cq's.
Unfortunally there is not such linear relation with CQ. That is why CQMatic has been developped by Karl.

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I figured i could load three different movies, or 4 if small enough, in tmpgenc dvd author and link each movie to the menu. This can be done right?
Yes it is. It's what an authoring tool is made for.

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Something about the anamorphic and iv- something on the right side of moviestacker and the section below it where you select the 1, 2, 3 and it gives you that error setting. What should you do there, try and get as close to 0.00 as possible and do you ues resize or overlay?
Thre is not a lot of people that are still using MovieStacker and I don't remember how it looks like. Better to use Paranoia (look for it on the forum) or FitCD. I personally use resize.

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Sorry guys and gals, it has been at least 3 yrs since i done any encoding but i am trying to get back on the bus!!
No problem. Nevertheless you should try to take the new bus, not the old (good) one .
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