mine is TemporalSmoother(2,2) now I have to start all over (j/k) Just for the hell of it earlier I set it to TemporalSmoother(5,5) and the audio was off by about 5 seconds- I don't have a clue why this filter affects the audio sync- all I know is (X,Y) X=strength Y=radius ?? ???

Hi Baker:

I think the Quantization matrix in there fixes a lot of the original MPEG-1 issues regarding chroma/brightness/dullness, etc.
I did a small clip this afternoon of UnderSiege 2 and it looked GREAT!.
I can't tell a difference in color from the original DVD ( which is MPEG-2 )
Here's a small clip: http://www.kvcd.net/kvcdx2-short.mpg
It's 7 seconds, 897Kb.

kwag

You can use 2,2. That's fine. Too high a value will mess audio/video sync because it takes too much time to process, and the video will lag the audio.

Don't go beyond 2,2. This happens also in VitrualDub, if you use a high temporal value.

kwag

I don't have the words to express my admiration and respect for such fine work teacher kwag, i confess i was a little dissapointed with the template that made files too big, but know i am really amazed with the size of the image, the quality and of course the final file size of the new template, i haven't tried it but i have no doubt about the success i'll have. I'm also very excited for watching the compatibility with mi KONKA (with K ok?) i hope it won't have problems with the new beautiful resolution(i never liked the eggheads, and i think many players neither(tampoco)).

By the way, it will be too much if i ask you to explain us how you did it? the first template you posted today, and the newest one, which were your movements? What your german friends did?

Thanks again for this big effort, and by the way, how do you do to aswer all the questions made in this site, working, visiting german forums, and make so many tests???!!! Do you eat? do you sleep? does your children know you? or when they see you they ask to mom: who's that mister mama? HOW YOU DO IT? (Just joking )

Thanks teacher kwag,
DaDe.

Hi DaDe:

Thanks for those words. But all of this work is the work of many people.
I know that my dream is ( maybe impossible ) to make DVD visual quality and +-120minutes in a CD-R. Maybe with the 99 minute CDR's this dream comes true

I received an E-Mail this morning from Andreas, one of the moderators at a DVD forum in Germany, with a lot of technical information regarding the use of the GOP in the KVCD template in their template. They made a Quantization Matrix for TMPEG that when I tried it, it blew my mind away .
The only problem was that the file size, with their parameters, was around 2MB per minute more than with the KVCDx2 that I had posted last night.
So I started to experiment with many parameters, trying to keep the quality, but reducing the file size.
The result is in the current BETA template .

If you increase the CQ in the current template from 50 ( the current value ) to 70, the damn mpeg will look like a DVD!.
But your file size will be very large. I still believe that with the CQ at 70, it will still fit about 90 minutes of video in a 80 minute CD-R.
So a 3 hour movie should fit in 2 CD-R's with a "DVD like" quality.
This has to be confirmed. ( The size, not the quality I already did that )


Do I Eat?
What's that!

Kids?
Oh, the people I hear downstairs playing!

And when they see me, they jump!
Guess they don't see me that often ( even in the same house )

JUST KIDDING

kwag

Ok, im trying this new Beta template and at the TMPGEnc 'Bitrate Setting' screen in wizard mode it says that the file size will be around 3850.68mbs.

Movie info is 704x480, 23.976fps / 44100Hz Stereo / 248 min 34 sec.

1. Will it be around that size or is it sayign that because of the 2000 bitrate?
2. How come it says 248mins, 34secs when the movie is only 85 min, 22secs?
3. What is the average MB per minute are you all getting?

hehe thanks

Don't use the Wizard. It doesn't display the correct time, because CQ mode can't be calculated.

Average per minute will vary, depending on the movie.
But as a guide, expect around 6-8MB per minute. 10MB on high action scenes.

kwag

Here's another very small ( about 3 seconds ) very high speed action scene with the new template.

It's a small file. Less than 500KB
http://www.kvcd.net/splash.mpg

kwag

Thanks for info but this template is to good for me!

My 466, 160mbs of ram sucks for this template hehe

Right keag here I go, I have a few questions please answer them in order.

1. Me and a admin at vcdhelp had a conversation about trying to get 720x576 resouloution on 2 cds. Now he explained to me that with a cbr of 2500 (the hightest possible.) thw quailty wont look so great as the macroblocks wont have enough data and be lifeless looking, and he was right. So that meant 480x576 actually looked BETTER than my 720x576 idea. Now how on earth can 2000 bitrate look so good!!!

2. I have easily modified the templet for pal and it wasn't too hard. But I Have always looked for futture compliance in my encodes (eg my 352x576 svcds) now I think that 1 cd with dvd quailty is impossible but 2 cds might just work. Now I want to up the bitrate to 2500max and edited the quantizier to fit 2 cds.oh yea and kept the gop structure to 15 frames AND changed the audio to 48000hz do I have a futture dvd compliant file(mpeg 1 is complaint isnt it?)??? Cause 2 cds,future compliance,dvd quailty. Then It will definetly make you famous.

Make a 2cd dvd complaint templet THEN worry about trying to get it on one cd will ya?

Baker

Hi Baker:

#1- It's the Quantization Matrix what did the trick. If you try the template with the original TMPEG's default matrix table, it will look CACA !
Actually the blocks are there, but with the Q matrix they blend so well that they're hardly visible.

#2- MPEG-1 is DVD compliant ONLY if it's 352x240(28 and CBR
MPEG-2 has to be 352x480(576) or 720x480(576).
So even SVCD's will have to be re-encoded for compatibility.
Even with the patching tricks, like Avestensio, DVDPatcher, etc, some players will not play a patched SVCD mpeg file in a DVD player.

"Make a 2cd dvd complaint templet THEN worry about trying to get it on one cd will ya?"

Why a DVD compliant template, if right now you can get DVD quality is 2 CD's.
Just up the CQ to 70 and bit rate to 2,300 and you'll get around 3 hours in 2CD-R's with the current template. That's with the new template.
I tried that, and it works. At those settings you can view your original DVD besides your encoded mpeg, and you can hardly tell the difference. Of course, there's always some loss, because you transcoded from a VOB which is already a MPEG file. So unless you have gigabytes of uncompressed MGM footage, you'll never get ( technically ) DVD quality, not even with CCE or TMPEG's DVD templates. It's just not possible, because you're adding another generation of encoding.

As for 2 CD's, that has never been the goal of KVCD templates!. What people are looking here is to fit a full movie in a single CD, with the highest possible quality. And we're already there!


kwag

I just used your KVCDx template
http://www.kvcd.net/templates/KVCDx2-CQ-(NTSCFilm)-BETA.mcf
on a clip from The 5th Element. I put it on a non-standard VCD and it played OK. I didn't change any of the settings at all. During playback I do have the ability to FFW and RRW up to 4X. I tried the same clip with setting the frame rate to 29.97 and it looked perfect. Wonderful quality. For others who can't get thier Apex AD 600 to playback correctly, remember to turn PCB OFF (it's a little button on your remote).

-Matt

back again with more quewstions:

1:is vcd dvd compatible(beisdes the audio)?

2:I want future complaince so I dont have to reencode in the future, plz tell me the settings I must change to make it dvd compatible and still fit on 2 cds(mpeg-2 of course.)

3:how long should the encoding take on a 450mhz computer will you plz?

Sorry for not doing this stuff myself but my dvd-rom is down and I need to get a new one so until I can afford it culd you answer these questions plz!!!

Baker

Hey Kwag,

Is your newest template intended only for widescreen movies or can it accomodate 4:3 video stuff as well? Without AR distortion?

can this gop structure be fed into cce?

I can't seem to do it!!

This is sad as I would love to really let this gop structure strut its stuff!!1

I believe that if such quailty is possible with tmpegenc than with cce quailty on 1 cd may be very close to dvd.

baker

Hey, I encoded a test of my DVD rip of Lord Of The Rings and I noticed that this template and the lower res template don't handle blackouts well AT ALL! They distort the color very badly right before it goes black. Is there a way I can fix this? BTW, the new template works great in my Panasonic DVD-RV31 DVD player if anyone wanted to know

-Any help would be appreciated!-

Um, I have a problem. When I played my Lord Of The Rings KVCD sample on my Dvd player, (Note: CQ:70 and max bitrate raised to 2300) I got funky green bars on the right half of my screen. THis is odd because it played your Matrix sample without any problems. Again, any help would be appreciated. Btw, I also tried the LOTR KVCD on your original settings also and it did the same thing. BTW, what was the resolution on both of your Matrix examples? I need to know.
-Thanx-

Hi Scav:

The template will work great with full screen movies too. But don't expect 120 minutes on a CD!
I tried a small clip just to see the quality.

Maybe you'll fit 90-100 minutes or so from a full screen movie.
Depends on the movie.

kwag

Hi Baker:

1: You'll have to re-encode if you want to put it in a DVD. Sadly, the MPEG-2 specs for DVD call for a max size of 15 PAL or 18 NTSC frames in a GOP. So you can't have the advantage of the KVCD's GOP sequence.
If you look at the template, you'll see that the max number of frame is set to "0", which means there's no limit, and TMPEG can generate longer GOP's. So you'll never get the advanced compression we are getting with MPEG-1 ( and even MPEG-2 SVCD with the KVCD GOP ) in a DVD.

2: Fixed max GOP to 15 or 18. And say Bye Bye to small file size! Probably you'll need 3 CD's to fit a movie.

3: 450Mhz PC? Start to encode. Come back the next day for your result
I'd say between 24-30 hours.

kwag

Sorry! CCE will not take that GOP :P
Also CCE's MPEG-1 quality is far inferior to TMPEG's MPEG-1.

kwag