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01-29-2003, 03:17 PM
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Followed Red-ms Guide to the letter using TMPGEnc to encode and the file is huge 1.54G. I'm not sure what kind of CD-R you have but that wont fit on mine. The movie is terminator 2 CQ70. Plus all of the vcds i have made are not that great fussy around all objects. I have tried everything. Maybe i'ts me. My computer is a PIII 933 512ram nvida 64m video card. Someone please help.
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Hi Ineedashrink

IF you want to put that movie on one cd you are going to have you use the file prediction method to get the cq value right. There is no way you can fit that onto one cd. Second you may want to encode that movie again using the kvcdx3 template since the movie is over two hours and has a lot of action in it. If you want to keep the movie at kcvdx2 res then just multiplex using bbmpeg and set the max file size value at 795mb and it will split it into two files.

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Hello Branden
Thank you for the reply. If I lower the CQ the quality goes down right?
I already I'm having trouble with that. If have tried the kcvdx2 and had the same results, file use still way to big. I'm I missing something. Is Red-ms guide not the right way.
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Hey Jeff

By any chance are you using avisynth for filters and resizing and such. That will really help the picture quality and aspect ratios. Yes by reducing the cq the quality of the picture goes down. I have encoded terminator 2 and got great picture quality using the kvcdx2 (on 2 cds). I also reencoded the movie again using the kvcdx3 and brought the movie down to one cd with no visible difference on my television set. The key to making a good quality movie is using the prediction method and avisynth and the filters available. Let me know if you have used avisynth before.

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Hey Branden
No I have not used avisynth. What filters should I have? I use VirtualDub for first part of audio then Headac3he for mp2 then for video i use Tmpgenc to encode then BBMPEG to put toghter then burn with VCDEasy.
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01-29-2003, 06:08 PM
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Hi jeff,

First, Install AviSynth 2.07 http://www.sf.net/projects/avisynth2
Here's a script you can use with KVCDx3 template:

Code:
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\GripFit_preview.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\sampler.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dustv5.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll")

Mpeg2Source("My_Movie.d2v")
LegalClip() 
GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize() 
SpaceDust()
TemporalCleaner()
GripBorders() 
LegalClip() 
Sampler(length=24)
Change the "Mpeg2Source("My_Movie.d2v")" line to point yo your .d2v. That's it
You must use file prediction. Read here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2102
For the movie you're doing, I suggest a target of two CDs.

Edit: The filter links are here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2553

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Thanks. Iwill try tonight see how its go's.
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Kwag,you wrote in script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll")

temporalcleanerOLD.dll ?
i lost something?
why is temporalcl....OLD?
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Quote:
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Kwag,you wrote in script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll")

temporalcleanerOLD.dll ?
i lost something?
why is temporalcl....OLD?
Temporalclearenold = AviSynth 2.0.x
Temporalcleaner = AviSynth 2.5x

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thanks!
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01-30-2003, 03:15 AM
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Hey Ineedashrink, (don't we all?! )

I see that Kwag and others have already set you on the right path, but I just thought I would comment on something you said, so that hopefully other newbies who see this don't make the same error (btw, "newbie" is a group in which I fall into also ...but am making good strides to escape from! )

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Originally Posted by Ineedashrink
...Followed Red-ms Guide to the letter...
This would be a mistake (at least if you want to do it exactly like "the big boys" are doing it ). And I certainly mean no offense to Red-M in saying that, because his guide is certainly valuable, especially for the screenshots (if you can get them to load properly in your browser), but only as a rough reference in my opinion (for the moment anyways...if/when he updates it, this may change). You shouldn't follow that guide "to the letter", because it's a bit outdated (that happens really fast here as you'll learn!) and it doesn't make use of the most recent methodologies that give the best "cutting-edge" results that guys like Kwag, Sansgrip, Black Prince & many others here achieve on a daily basis (more like hourly basis!...or by-the-minute-basis at times! ). Also, throughout my own trials and tribulations (and thanks to some help from others), I've noticed a few errors here and there in regards to Red-M's recommended settings and such, that hopefully he will update sometime. It's still a good starting point, but you've got to remember that it's a _starting_point...so you shouldn't expect exactly the same results as Kwag & Co. (but if it's good enough for you, then cool!).

However, I would say that most people (or many at least) see Kwag's samples and are so impressed that they're more interested in getting great quality encodes onto 1 disc, or at least experimenting with duplicating his results. Since Red-M's guide is dealing with 2-disc encodes of fullscreen PAL source material which isn't 23.97-frames-per-second, it possibly isn't the absolute greatest example of what most kvcd-curious people are looking for. But that's just my opinion, based on my recent kvcd-learning experiences...I'm not claiming to be an expert by any means!...more of a slightly-informed-newbie at best. . But who knows, maybe I'll be able to write a dvd2kvcd "how-to" guide of my own someday. (watch for flying pigs and you'll know when!).

So, as one newbie to another, I'd suggest doing LOTS of reading in the forums to get up-to-date, and don't be affraid to ask some questions if you can't find the answers through a forum-search first. This is a really great forum and there's lots of helpful people who will kindly offer to hold us newbies by the hand when necessary (you all know who you are!..thanks again guys!). If you familiarize yourself with Black Prince's Guide, Red-M's guide, AND do some reading on top of that and combine it all, you'll be at it in no time! (heck, I'm currently doing some of my very first test encodes right now, trying to determine what "tricks" might work to make my dvd-player work with more of the templates...and once I know which templates my player will handle, then the fun really begins! :yippie: ). Enjoy...and good luck!

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first, thanks to all for having a site like this. i am a complete newbie and have been able to backup several movies using the Red M guide and different KVCD templates. i am pleased with the results, but like most everyone else, i am ready for better video quality.

i have read through a lot of the forums, but can't seem to get the concept of the script. i have installed avisynth software, but following the links to the filters i start to get lost.

then, i really don't understand what to do with it? how do i load/run the script? when?

sorry if this is a repeat question, but while i've been able to make back ups, i can't seem to get to the next level.

help?
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