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Ok, well since I de-interlace my DVD if it is interlaced then I should go with MPEG1? or now I have more testing to do :)
Thanks

Re: MediaConcept Encoder in MPEG-2

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

I just finished doing a couple of tests, and this encoder in MPEG-2 apparently is something completely different than in MPEG-1 mode :D

I'm currently frameserving this script with VirtualDub:

Code:

#==============================================#

# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v1.1.1 =- #

#==============================================#



LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec2.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\NoMoSmooth.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\Convolution3D.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\DustV5.dll")

LoadPlugin("C:\MovieStacker\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")



Mpeg2Source("K:\S1M0NE_WS\VIDEO_TS\simone.d2v")

LegalClip()

GripCrop(528, 480, overscan=2)

GripSize(resizer="BilinearResize")

SpaceDust()

NoMoSmooth(40, 1, 6, 1, 3)

Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ")

GripBorders()

LegalClip()

And MediaConcept is processing it perfectly :D
I'll report here when the encode is done. Estimated time is ~5 hours.

-kwag

Please explain how you frameserved to MPEGEncoder. Did you still use VfapiConvEn to create Pseudo Avi File?

Thanks.

Racer99

Hi Racer99,

I just open the .avs above with Vdub, and frameserve to a file called "server.avi", and open that with MCE :D
Make sure you select "Stream Type: Video" after you open the frameserved file.

-kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

When I try to do this, MCE crashes upon trying to load the file
Is there anything special you have to place in the .avs file?

Thanks
Racer99

You could check the MCE modules
Click on Options then Import Modules
I unchecked/disabled DirectShow Import to get .avs to work
otherwise it would just crash on me

phibertron

Thanks Philberton,

That did the trick.

Racer99

Quote:

You use ChapterXtractor to retrieve the chapters from your .IFO, and pasted them on VCDEasy. The result: The original DVD chapters on your KVCDs

Which preset do I have to take for VCDEasy???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bchteam

Quote:

You use ChapterXtractor to retrieve the chapters from your .IFO, and pasted them on VCDEasy. The result: The original DVD chapters on your KVCDs

Which preset do I have to take for VCDEasy???

"Paste ChapterXtractor (RAW) data"

-kwag

How can I copy the Chapter's from ChapetrXtractor???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bchteam

How can I copy the Chapter's from ChapetrXtractor???

After you open your .IFO with ChapterXtractor, you select the chapters with your mouse, right click and "Copy" and then on the chapters in VCDEasy, right click and "Paste".

-kwag

Re: MediaConcept Encoder in MPEG-2

Hi Kwag,

great to see that you played a bit with MPEGEncoder.
I wrote a little tutorial for those who wish to convert AVI + subs to MPEG 1/2 using MPEG Encoder: http://www.weethet.nl/english/video_...ainconcept.php

Also good to know: MainConcept handles AC3 -> stereo conversion pretty well, something TMPGEnc doesn't.

Still trying to get some of the KVCD templates into MainConcept, but it's not very easy .... :wink:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesp

Kwag,

How did it look?

Jim

Hi Jim,

It looks very good, except on high motion :x
The final file size was almost on target. ~19MB smaller.
I guess that for high bit rates, for DVD targets, this encoder is priceless :!: It IS better that Cinemacraft, in the limited tests I did yesterday. I encoded this: http://www.tecoltd.com/enctest/enctest.htm by downloading the ~80MB avi and the produced sample I encoded with MediaConcept encoder looks better than CCEs sample :D . Specially the scene when the girl is in the water. I also encoded the same clip with TMPEG, and the result on CCE looks slightly better than TMPEGs, I have to say that! But only on that scene where there are many small particles (water). But the MediaConcept encoder looks FAR better than both TMPEG or CCE. It's a shame that it doesn't work very good at low average bit rates :cry: The samples I encoded were using an average bit rate of ~5,000Kbps.
We must keep an eye on future versions of this encoder :idea:
Hopefully MediaConcept will read these posts and fine tune their encoder on the weak areas. The encoder also has a CQ mode like TMPEG, and it works when you set the MIN bit rate to 0. Then you can choose the quality value to encode in a similar way as we do with TMPEG. The only problem I see is that in TMPEG we have a range of 0 to 100, but in MediaConcept is only about 1 to 31 and no decimal values allowed, so the scaling wouldn't work very accurate with file prediction because of the large increment steps. We'll keep playing with it :wink:

And that's it :)
-kwag

Excelent tutorial and site HansLuyten :D

-kwag

Thanks :)

I hope you noticed the K(S)VCD tuts as well ;)

Sure did!
A quick search at "Google" on "KVCD", shows the tuts immediately :)

-kwag

Kewl,... didn't no that :)
Always good to be ranked in the first 10 :)

I'm currently - still - trying to optimize the MainConcept Encoder, but haven't achieved the performance you tweaked out of TMPGEnc :(
Wish I could - it takes a lot of time, thinking and then finding out that it didn't work the way you expected it to be :) I guess you had an even harder time to get the KVCD templates :)
I now even more respect your work ... :)

Hey thanks HansLuyten :)

I've tried MCE many times and it works good, maybe even better than TMPEG, but only at 352x240(288) :!:
I've tried encoding at 528x480, and even at 352x480, and MCE just does an awful job on bitrate allocation. If I try to encode something at 352x480 or higher ( 528x480, etc. ) and I set a MIN bitrate at 300Kbps, Average at 800Kbps, and MAX at 2,500Kbps, it always screws up on the max 8O
It follows the average bitrate, so your final file size is always on the mark, but bitrate never reaches above ~1,400 to ~1,500Kbps :!:
So it works very well at 352x, but that's about it :?

-kwag

I'm afraid you're right ... :(
ME is pretty bad in lowbitrates, although it seems to perform better when using a rather high maxmimum bitrate (keep min/avg te same) ... I'll keep experimenting with this ;)
Hopefully MainConcept fixes this soon ... althoug a good hardware encoder would be nice too ... I think curently most are not that great in quality and I haven't seen that many that support trasncoding ...

Try the new MainConcept 1.4. The speed is unbelievable. When using the DVD preset profile, it is faster than CCE!!!!!! I have not tried any encodes below a 2500 average, so I do not know if lower bitrate encoding has improved. It does now offer 2-pass encoding, which may help. You can also change a lot of settings to help improve the encode, like Motion search pixel movement. These are explained in the help file, but will slow down your encode.

Thanks for the tip :)
I'll visit them right away and see what the new version offers ...

I tried the new MainConcept 1.4 encoder and The results are great so far for KSVCD... I made a template for NTSC and PAL; the settings could probably still be tweaked and I've only tested 480x480 and 480x576 resolutions.
What I've done is load the movie into MovieStacker and find out the average bitrate then I put that average bitrate into MainConcept and encode the movie and it gets real close to the target size...
I used MainConcept to encode both the audio and video...
here is the NTSC template
[MAIN]
StreamType=4
MpegType=3
VideoMode=0
AudioMode=2
Width=480
Height=480
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=480
DestHeight=480
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=480
SrcHeight=480
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=44100
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=KSVCD-NTSC
[WaveAudio]
Channels=64000
Bits=192
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=1
perfLevel=27
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=3
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=0
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=1
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=4
iFramesInGOP=18
ipFrameDistance=3
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=12
constBitrate=2375000
maxBitrate=2420000
avgBitrate=2376000
minBitrate=300000
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=0
[audio]
audioLayer=2
audioMode=2
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=7
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=1
psychModel=2
[multiplex]
programStreamType=3
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=1
alignSequenceHeaders=1
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=6972
sectorSize=2324
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=230
audioBufferSize=4
audio1BufferSize=4
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=4
transferCharacteristics=4
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=2
intraDCPrec=0
vbvBufferSize=112
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=480
displayVerticalSize=480
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=0
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=0
framePredDCTP=0
framePredDCTB=0
quantizationScaleI=1
quantizationScaleP=1
quantizationScaleB=1
alternateScanI=1
alternateScanP=1
alternateScanB=1
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=1
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=5
featureFlags=0
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=3
vertPelMovement=3
forwHorzFCodeP=4
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=33
forwVertSearchP=33
forwHorzFCodeB1=2
forwVertFCodeB1=2
forwHorzSearchB1=11
forwVertSearchB1=11
backHorzFCodeB1=3
backVertFCodeB1=3
backHorzSearchB1=22
backVertSearchB1=22
forwHorzFCodeB2=3
forwVertFCodeB2=3
forwHorzSearchB2=22
forwVertSearchB2=22
backHorzFCodeB2=2
backVertFCodeB2=2
backHorzSearchB2=11
backVertSearchB2=11
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
forwHorzFCodeB5=0
forwVertFCodeB5=0
forwHorzSearchB5=0
forwVertSearchB5=0
backHorzFCodeB5=0
backVertFCodeB5=0
backHorzSearchB5=0
backVertSearchB5=0
forwHorzFCodeB6=0
forwVertFCodeB6=0
forwHorzSearchB6=0
forwVertSearchB6=0
backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
intra_q[32]=26
intra_q[33]=27
intra_q[34]=29
intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
intra_q[37]=38
intra_q[38]=40
intra_q[39]=48
intra_q[40]=27
intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
intra_q[45]=40
intra_q[46]=48
intra_q[47]=58
intra_q[48]=29
intra_q[49]=34
intra_q[50]=37
intra_q[51]=38
intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
intra_q[55]=69
intra_q[56]=34
intra_q[57]=37
intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
inter_q[16]=20
inter_q[17]=22
inter_q[18]=24
inter_q[19]=26
inter_q[20]=28
inter_q[21]=30
inter_q[22]=32
inter_q[23]=34
inter_q[24]=22
inter_q[25]=24
inter_q[26]=26
inter_q[27]=30
inter_q[28]=32
inter_q[29]=32
inter_q[30]=34
inter_q[31]=36
inter_q[32]=24
inter_q[33]=26
inter_q[34]=28
inter_q[35]=32
inter_q[36]=34
inter_q[37]=34
inter_q[38]=36
inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
inter_q[41]=28
inter_q[42]=30
inter_q[43]=32
inter_q[44]=34
inter_q[45]=36
inter_q[46]=38
inter_q[47]=40
inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44

here is the PAL template

[MAIN]
StreamType=4
MpegType=3
VideoMode=1
AudioMode=2
Width=480
Height=576
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=480
DestHeight=576
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=480
SrcHeight=576
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=44100
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=KSVCD-PAL
[WaveAudio]
Channels=64000
Bits=192
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=1
perfLevel=27
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=3
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=0
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=1
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=3
iFramesInGOP=15
ipFrameDistance=3
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=12
constBitrate=2375000
maxBitrate=2420000
avgBitrate=2376000
minBitrate=300000
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=0
[audio]
audioLayer=2
audioMode=2
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=7
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=1
psychModel=2
[multiplex]
programStreamType=3
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=1
alignSequenceHeaders=1
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=6972
sectorSize=2324
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=230
audioBufferSize=4
audio1BufferSize=4
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=5
transferCharacteristics=5
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=1
intraDCPrec=0
vbvBufferSize=112
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=480
displayVerticalSize=576
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=0
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=0
framePredDCTP=0
framePredDCTB=0
quantizationScaleI=1
quantizationScaleP=1
quantizationScaleB=1
alternateScanI=1
alternateScanP=1
alternateScanB=1
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=1
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=5
featureFlags=0
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=3
vertPelMovement=3
forwHorzFCodeP=3
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=27
forwVertSearchP=33
forwHorzFCodeB1=2
forwVertFCodeB1=2
forwHorzSearchB1=9
forwVertSearchB1=11
backHorzFCodeB1=3
backVertFCodeB1=3
backHorzSearchB1=18
backVertSearchB1=22
forwHorzFCodeB2=3
forwVertFCodeB2=3
forwHorzSearchB2=18
forwVertSearchB2=22
backHorzFCodeB2=2
backVertFCodeB2=2
backHorzSearchB2=9
backVertSearchB2=11
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
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forwHorzFCodeB6=0
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backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
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intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
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intra_q[38]=40
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intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
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intra_q[46]=48
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intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
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intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
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inter_q[21]=30
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inter_q[26]=26
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inter_q[29]=32
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inter_q[33]=26
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inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
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inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44