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A somwhat of a newbie here, I've been reading a lot of threads and many people say that KVCD's
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sooo after researching a little, I'm gonna try it out myself. I have been converting, screwing around for almost a year now and know TMPGEnc pretty good, inside and out, have been making XSVCD's for a while now and would like to further enhance the quality while keeping the movie on 1 CD which I think is amazing.

Considering I've never tried out KVCD;s, (actually I did but I guess I was doing something, and gave up on that) this is a completely new and different concept for me, I was looking at the guides and one was for PAL which I don't need, and the other one lost me when it started talking about AVISynth, which is another program I've been hearing about but never learned how to use it, and also will be a very new concept to grasp.

I went to the Templates page, and to begin with, WHICH template should I download ? Im confused..., their are soo many. Here are some of the specs of my movie.

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VIDEO
640x480 [FullScreen DvDRip BTW]
29.970 FPS
Number of Frames - 66645 / Length [37.03]
Decompressor - 3ivx D4

AUDIO
Their is a program, which comes with AVI2VCD called Decompressor, after learning that TMPGEnc doesn't process compressed Audio to well, Sync, jerkiness..etc problems, and after experiencing some myself, I've been using Decompressor to Uncompress Audio.

41,000KHZ
2 Stereo
16 Bit
PCM Uncompressed

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My movie is in actuality 80 Minutes which includes the credits
[Ninja Resurrection]

BUT I cut out the credits, and now I have 2 Parts around 37 Minutes each...I hope that doesn't complicate matters even more...

Now after thinking a little I decided to download the 90 Minute Template 704x480.

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I would really like it someone helped me or guided me in some way to begin, start and make my first KVCD.

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Hi DivXerouS,

First take a look at the KVCD guide on tha main page at www.kvcd.net
I asume you already have some experience with AviSynth
So I'll give you a script that you can try with KVCDx3, and see if you like the quality produced. This is a basic (good) script that will let you fit ~2 hour movies on one CD with KVCDx3 528x480 MPEG-1 with file prediction:


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LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\GripFit_preview.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\sampler.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dustv5.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll")

mpeg2Source("YourFile.d2v")
LegalClip() 
GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize() 
SpaceDust()
TemporalCleaner()
GripBorders() 
LegalClip() 
#Sampler(length=24)
The filters links are here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2553
and file prediction tutorial is here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2102

Your results should look something like this: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....ght=red+planet look for a sample in that thread

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WOW I guess you don't know

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is eh...?

I will reply back after reading some more...thanks for the quick reply and the links... and No I have NO experience using AviSynth what so ever...none...will reply soon...


P.S- are your templates designed for low motion movies or high as well, I was reading somewhere about Mpeg-1 VS Mpeg-2 and how Mpeg-1 is superior in low bitrates compared to Mpeg-2, so I was wondering if High action movies will look just as good as the low motion movies...I remember you showed me sample of the submarine movie with Harrison Ford and I was very impressed and hope to get the same results...
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P.S- are your templates designed for low motion movies or high as well, I was reading somewhere about Mpeg-1 VS Mpeg-2 and how Mpeg-1 is superior in low bitrates compared to Mpeg-2, so I was wondering if High action movies will look just as good as the low motion movies...I remember you showed me sample of the submarine movie with Harrison Ford and I was very impressed and hope to get the same results...

Yes, MPEG-1 is better than MPEG-2 for low bit rates. I prefer MPEG-1 any time
But for DVDs, how about ~6 hours full DVD quality 720x480 with KDVD like this: http://www.kvcd.net/kdvd-v2-sample.m2v
Does that look ok to you
That's the quality you get on one DVD-R for 6 hours using KDVD
Read here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....=asc&start=540

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Very impressive,...ok I did some reading as to "What" KVCD is...and it sounds pretty interesting, BUT I don't understand as to what GOP Structure and Quantize Matrix/Matrices is/are, but it seems that you have managed to alter and tweak them to get the most out of the program...am I correct no ?...

I'm also trying to get a copy of "Mpeg Dymystified" to get more info, as you mentioned in one of your supporting arguments and criticisms,...now before I begin, I'm still a little confused about the templates that you have...

My movie that I will be converting is 640x480, FullScreen DvDRip and is almost a little bit lower then 80 minutes....so I have decided on converting it using the 704x480 Average 90 Minute Per CD which I think is a good choice, but I guess that is for Anamorphic/Widescreen, so considering the Pixel size, would I have to resize the movie in order to make it compatible with the template ?...please clarify a little bit on this, and please reccomend which Template YOU think would be better...

P.S:- Reading about file prediction from this website-
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2102

P.S:- You still didn't answer my original question in the last post about whether or not High Action movies will look just as good as Low Action Movies...?

Confused like a mafluckpucka...
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I don't understand as to what GOP Structure and Quantize Matrix/Matrices is/are, but it seems that you have managed to alter and tweak them to get the most out of the program...am I correct no ?...
Yes. They've been heavily modified and optimized
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I'm also trying to get a copy of "Mpeg Dymystified" to get more info, as you mentioned in one of your supporting arguments and criticisms,...
The book is "Video Demystified". You can get that at amazon.com
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My movie that I will be converting is 640x480, FullScreen DvDRip
640x480 DVD RIP What DVD is that DVDs are 720x480(576) Clarify this before I can suggest a template

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Ninja Scroll Resurrection, Anime, Audio In Original Japenese with English Subtitles... well technically it's not a DVD format considering their usually Anamorphic/Widescreen, but that's the format it was PUT on the DVD...you know what I'm talkin about...


P.S:- I actually downloaded it off an FTP Server...
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is this dvdrip a divx? Seems like it is divx given the resolution and the reason you had to decompress the audio. I am sure kwag will agree with me, the best template for your original res, would be the kvcdx3. You dont want use a template that used a higher res than the original.

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Yes your are correct, I had to install some XviD & DivX codecs for it to work...which KVCDx3 template would be best...?

In my opinion, I think the KVCDx3, Mpeg-1, NTSC Film, 528x480 would be a good choice, but IF I do decide to use this, how would I resize the movie, or would the settings in the template resize it itself...
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how would I resize the movie, or would the settings in the template resize it itself...
The settings in the script I posted above will do the resize for you automatically.

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OK...so I just load up the Script in AviSynth and let it do the rest...then I just load the file up in TMPGEnc....?

Which template would I use then...?

You gotta take it a little slow...remember now I'm a begginner*
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Which template would I use then...?
Load the KVCDx3

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DAMN...now I will have to learn how to use AviSynth, GOD knows how long that'll take...I'll get back to you when I get the basics...
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DAMN...now I will have to learn how to use AviSynth, GOD knows how long that'll take...I'll get back to you when I get the basics...
It's simple. You just install AviSynth 2.07, and then you can open the .avs with TMPEG

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You know it's amazing, how some programs exist and are just impressive but you just never get a chance to try em out...Learned the basic steps, and I have to say this program is very good and kind of easy to use IF you know what your doing...now I have extracted the Audio and converted it to mp2 using headache and by using the settings from one of the guides...now in your script I need to put in the name of my d2v file, how would I convert to D2V from AVI except...ok I'm stuck after converting the audio...elaborate a little*


P.S:- I only found AviSynth 1.0 Beta from the Authors website...? please put a link for the newest version if you can...
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how would I convert to D2V from AVI except...ok I'm stuck after converting the audio...elaborate a little*
Just use AviSource("Yourfile.avi") instead of mpeg2dec("Yourfile.d2v")
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P.S:- I only found AviSynth 1.0 Beta from the Authors website...? please put a link for the newest version if you can...
http://sf.net/projects/avisynth2

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So this is what it should look like right....

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LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\sampler.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dustv5.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll")

AviSource("Ninja Resurrection [1].avi")
LegalClip()
GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 )
GripSize()
SpaceDust()
TemporalCleaner()
GripBorders()
LegalClip()
#Sampler(length=24)
but when I change the extension to .AVS from .txt it says

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Load Plugin: Unable to load "C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll"
[Pathname of my file.avs LIne 1
do I need a filter or am I doing something wrong...? or do I just load the .AVS file directly into TMPGEnc...?
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@DivXerouS,

Yes, just load the .AVS file directly into TMPGEnc

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I did it says the file will be 3.33 MB's...I loaded the template and then loaded the .AVS file and it says that the file is only 11 Secs, and the MB settings are greyed out, as well as the media type settings....

WTF is going on ?
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Hi DivXerouS,

Do you have all the DLLs in your "C:\encoding\" directory
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