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06-08-2002, 11:09 PM
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Hi Kwag,
Would you please give me your lastest script in FitCD. My source is VOB files ripped from DVD by smartripper, I use DVD2AVI and VirtualDub + Vobsub to add subtitle. I will be using your KVCDx2--2CD template. I need a script which enables me to fill up 2 CDs with highest picture quality. Thanks!
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Hi Kwag,
Would you please give me your lastest script in FitCD. My source is VOB files ripped from DVD by smartripper, I use DVD2AVI and VirtualDub + Vobsub to add subtitle. I will be using your KVCDx2--2CD template. I need a script which enables me to fill up 2 CDs with highest picture quality. Thanks!
Hi syk2c11:

Here's the script I used for "The Matrix" and KVCDx2 2-CD template.

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
#TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

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06-09-2002, 11:35 AM
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hi Kwag,

by not using temporal smoother in your script for your 2 cd template is the difference in quality enough to notice with a not too picky eyeball watching a 27" standard television? I thought you always used TemporalSmoother

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06-09-2002, 12:16 PM
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hi Kwag,

by not using temporal smoother in your script for your 2 cd template is the difference in quality enough to notice with a not too picky eyeball watching a 27" standard television? I thought you always used TemporalSmoother

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ren
When I use the filter, I'm using it as TemporalSmoother(1,2).
If you have a 27" TV, you shouldn't notice quality difference by using the filter with a (1,2) value, but your mpeg file will be much smaller with the filter.

It all depends on the video. If it's a very clean DVD, then don't use it.
But I have seen some DVD's that are so badly authored, that you need at least a very small amount of filtering. The problem is, as I have explained before, that a DVD is already MPEG-2 which is a compressed format. So when we re-compress it again to create a KVCD ( or anything else ), we are adding one more compression generation to our final product. The result is always less quality than the original material.

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06-10-2002, 01:10 AM
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Hi there,
Has anyone heard about the program called "VFAPI converter", it is a program to convert from *.d2v file to *.vdr which is to be used as the video source in Tmpeg.

Now, If the source is VOB files ripped from DVD and If I use the above-mentioned program and use Tmpeg to resize from 740x480 to 704x480 (with KVCDx2 template). Will the final output mpeg file size be larger / the same / smaller than that of using FitCD with script the following script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
#TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)
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Hi there,
Has anyone heard about the program called "VFAPI converter", it is a program to convert from *.d2v file to *.vdr which is to be used as the video source in Tmpeg.

Now, If the source is VOB files ripped from DVD and If I use the above-mentioned program and use Tmpeg to resize from 740x480 to 704x480 (with KVCDx2 template). Will the final output mpeg file size be larger / the same / smaller than that of using FitCD with script the following script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\THE_MATRIX_16X9LB_N_AMERICA\VIDEO_ TS\matrix.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
#TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)
You don't need to use VFAPI converter.
The idea of using FitCD is for correct resizing. If you don't use FitCD, and you read directly from the .d2v, you are not applying any billinear resizing, and your output mpeg is not correctly aligned. You would probably notice "jagged" edges in diagonal lines and other artifacts, if you don't do a correct resize.
As far as file size, there's not that much difference with the script above, because the output is only 16 lines less than the original.

VFAPI converter is a program that reads a .d2v file and creates a pseudo .avi file, so that programs ( encoders, etc ) that only understand AVI format can use it.

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06-10-2002, 03:12 AM
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I am confused by the article posed in www.doom9.org (on the left panel; under the heading of DVD Basics, inside which there has an article named "Aspect Ratio Explained"). This article talks about full screen; letterboxed widescreen and anaomorphic widescreen.

I just don't know whether I have to select the "source aspect ratio" in Advance tap and "aspect ratio" in Video of Tmpeg to correspond with the VOB files ripped from DVD. Since I see both KVCD and KVCDx2 templates have a default settings of 4:3
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I am confused by the article posed in www.doom9.org (on the left panel; under the heading of DVD Basics, inside which there has an article named "Aspect Ratio Explained"). This article talks about full screen; letterboxed widescreen and anaomorphic widescreen.

I just don't know whether I have to select the "source aspect ratio" in Advance tap and "aspect ratio" in Video of Tmpeg to correspond with the VOB files ripped from DVD. Since I see both KVCD and KVCDx2 templates have a default settings of 4:3
Ok. The output aspect has to be set at 4:3. The input aspect, I usually leave that to the .avs script, as it will send the correct size to the input of TMPEG. Just set the input aspect to "Full screen", and let the AviSynth script handle the size.

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Hi Kwag,

Do you mean that when you load the avs file as the video source in TMPG, it over-rides and resets the input aspect ratio for you automatically?

Also, do you leave the output AR at 4:3 even if you intend to view the video on a 16:9 display?

And many thanks for taking the time to whip up a DVD version of your template. I'm going to have a lot of fun playing with that.

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Hi Kwag,

Do you mean that when you load the avs file as the video source in TMPG, it over-rides and resets the input aspect ratio for you automatically?

Also, do you leave the output AR at 4:3 even if you intend to view the video on a 16:9 display?

And many thanks for taking the time to whip up a DVD version of your template. I'm going to have a lot of fun playing with that.

Scav
VCD's output AR is encoded 4:3.
If you're using an AviSynth script, you can set the input to 1:1 or 4:3, and "Full screen" in TMPEG. Then the size is correctly fed to TMPEG by AviSynth.

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This is what I am currently doing at the moment:

1. rip the movie with smart ripper.
3. open with dvd2avi and create a prjt file and audio.
3. open the d2v file in the vfpai converter and convert it to a fake avi.
4. run fitcd as usual and open the avi in it and select your mpeg2dec source.
5. save the avs file
6 open it in tmpegen.

Fitcd always trys to put borders around the file. THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

Does anybody know why it trys to "shrink" the movie? I understand about the 1 inch around the tele thing but this still dosn't make sense.

Baker
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This is what I am currently doing at the moment:

1. rip the movie with smart ripper.
3. open with dvd2avi and create a prjt file and audio.
3. open the d2v file in the vfpai converter and convert it to a fake avi.
4. run fitcd as usual and open the avi in it and select your mpeg2dec source.
5. save the avs file
6 open it in tmpegen.

Fitcd always trys to put borders around the file. THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

Does anybody know why it trys to "shrink" the movie? I understand about the 1 inch around the tele thing but this still dosn't make sense.

Baker
Why do you run VFAPI? You don't need that!.
Just open your .d2v with FitCD, and create your .avs. There's no need to create a pseudo AVI file.
As for the borders, FitCD will put borders on a wide screen movie. If not, you'll wind up with a full screen out of aspect.

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