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06-20-2003, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kwag
Hi vhelp,

That sample looks great
BTW, what movie is that

-kwag
Nice quality,,
on my powerdvd 5 , it was kinda blocky on some spots...

movie is: Deuce Bigalow, Male Gigolo
i think....
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it was kinda blocky on some spots...
Thanks for the name zoot
But it's pretty good for a capture.
That's not a DVD rip

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06-20-2003, 12:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by el_mero_zooter
it was kinda blocky on some spots...
Thanks for the name zoot
But it's pretty good for a capture.
That's not a DVD rip

-kwag
oh ya,, i agree,,,

thanx for the coolling/mod forum


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06-20-2003, 09:39 PM
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@ all.. TGIF.

@ Kwag..

I'm Sorry.. I did not properly label the source !
I'll revise that post for Sample #5

Code:
     SOURCE: DVD rip "Deuce Bigalow"
      Chptr: 16 - "a Date w/ Kate"
        Res: 704 x 480
         CQ: 60
     Filers: none
    clipLen: 30 sec
  PeakBitra: 2063
  Ave Bitra: 1623 
      FSize: 5,829KB
If you think anything else should go w/ the above list,
please advise. Thanks.


Ok, now for some explainig below..

@ zooter..

Hi, I'm not sure whats going on w/ PDVD v5.0 but my guess is either:
* they made some changes to their MPEG-2 codec (assuming that they
...supply one w/ every D/L) or,
* you are using a completely different MPEG-2 codec (perhaps that you
...are not aware of) Elicard perhaps ?? and forgot ??
* Also, they may have done some cosmetic changes to some of their
...routines.
* The color table may be off in that version, OR, you don't have it
...set to "0" that is.. (ctrl+C) Video tab, and make sure your Dark="0"
...note, WDVD v3.0 color is set to "8" that is.. (you press "+" key till
...its Dark level is MAXed bright, then you press "-" key, 8 times, and
...this will equal PDVD v3.0's Dark="0" color level)
...Note, in WDVD v3.0, the "-" and "+" changes Dark levels, and keeping my
...WDVD v3.0 at "8" matches PDVD v3.0's Dark="0". If you are going to be
...bouncing around between each app, you all need to know this, to keep
...things in synch.
* codec.. your graphics card driver/codec could be off. At one point in
...my trials w/ quality viewing under PDVD v3.0, I had to adjust my Dark
...to +3 then, one day, I had to re-install my graphics card driver, and
...to my surprise, my Dark levels went down to "0" instead. so, this
...could be something to look into as well. You see, when your Dark level
...is too high, you get un-even artifacts during play, and couple that w/
...incorrect AR stretching, and you could be in for a surprise, and even
...re-adjusting your encoding (all for nothing) when all it takes is to
...observe the above issues w/ care.


A note on Aspect Ratios...
--------------------------
Whenever you make any MPEG-2 encodes of 16:9, the level of correct Widescreen
will largely depend on your encoding of 16:9 ie, Fullscreen vs. Fullscreen (keep AR)
vs. 16:9 525 line vs. 4:3 525 lines vs whatever else there is in TMPG.
So, HOW do you test weather or not you have the correct AR in an MPEG-2
encode ?? Good question.. unfortunately, I do not have any definate
answers (or guides) just yet. I do know that it takes trial and error.
Now, given the above, WDVD will ultimately give the wrong AR. An example
of this is my recent Sample #5 clip. WDVD v3.0 displays it in Fullscreen mode,
while PDVD v3.0 in Widescreen (fullscreen or normal screen)
Now, you could fake a wide screen (the chickens way) buy just encoding w/
a 4:3 AR and adding in the boarders. But, the only problem w/ this is that
on a TRUE widescreen tv, it will not stretch it properly because you encoded
to a 4:3 AR and basically destoyed the actual 16:9 AR (this from a friend
who has a widescreen tv set) But, at least for 4:3 tvs, it will play fine.
Also, MPEG-1 doesn't have support for 16:9, that's why you see 4:3 widescreen
clips. Of course, there are other reason (or benefits) for encoding to a
4:3 AR w/ MPEG-1 clips.

Now, as far as the Sample #5 clip, I did not have the chance to burn it
to CD, so I can test/verifty the quality, AND, what you stated during your
PDVD v5.0 experience. Now, I'm curious, and I have to run this test. I do
know that on my LCD screen (which is VERY picky w/ blocks and color artifacts)
that it's easy to spot these out and make the necessary adjustments, though
a bit painful at times.. but I have a system that seems to work for me, and
is fairly quick.. so it's deffinately worth it.

The above is my experinece, and its taken me a while to come to this point.
So, I'm shareing w/ you, some of my wisdom of trial and tribulation w/
video analisis.


@ zooter..

Can you get me a few snap-shots of some "pics" of those images in PDVD
so I can see what you are. I really don't see what you are seeing. From
my point of view, my video is clean and no blocks, unless I look closely
at the screen and look for them. Mind you, I'm assumg that you are seeing
some bad areas, and what I want to do is verify that it may all be on your
end instead (when you apply the above to your scenario) thats all
On ther other hand, it could just be a matter of you haivng a different
pc system that is more sensitive to certain things, and that's ok. What
will count is when I burn the clip to CD and view on my TV. If I see a lot
of issues, then I know something is wrong. Only a final test will tell.
In any case, I will keep your notes on my clips under advisement and
work some more on them. In fact, that is what I'm doing now hehe..
Hay, don't forget, I encoded it w/ a low CQ=60. I'm even lowing it to a
mear CQ=50 now, but this time, I'm painstakenly perfecting the MA script w/
this clip, so there's some excuse here, plus, i'm using a higher res too.

I hope to see more of your comments on my samples !!


@ Kwag..

I do hope that BY NOW, you've gotten yourself the "Deuce Bigalow" disk.
Once I get his "The Chic" movie, I'll have my 3thriligy set.. unless he decides
to do another Movie.. I'll go for a 4riligy then, hehe..

Thanks everyone.
-vhelp
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08-09-2003, 12:22 PM
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Sample # 6

Sorry, this one's late in the posting here.. I forgot!!
Note, it's just a low bitrate test sample based off of a CQM topic discussion:
* http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5221&start=96

-vhelp
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08-17-2003, 05:45 PM
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Sample # 7

Above is a sample clip, from a discussion on another topic thread CQMatic.

-vhelp
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