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Wolfi 05-04-2003 04:24 PM

what resolution should I use for a source with a resolution of 576x240 PAL?
 
Simply, what resolution should I use for a source with a resolution of 576x240 PAL :?:

//Wolfi

conquest10 05-04-2003 04:29 PM

528/544x576

Abond 05-05-2003 05:20 AM

I don't know if it is good idea. Usually I try to encode in such a way, that the encoded file has equall or less pixels for frame than the source. The reason - in the source file there is information for the pixels regarding the resolution. If one try to encode with the resolution, which require more pixels should expect decrease of quality as the information for the extra pixels don't exist at all. In the case - 576X240 = 138240 pixels. If the aspect ratio is 2.35:1 then 528 X 432 = 228096 pixels. I would suggest to encode with 352 X 288. You have 352 X 216 = 76032 pixels. The 432 and 216 values are only for the picture, the remain are black borders. I hope this make sense.

Jellygoose 05-05-2003 05:56 AM

Theoretically you're right Abond. However, I found out for myself, that upscaling with "BicubicResize" gives me excellent results. When you encode this with such a low resolution, I'm sure picture will look worse. However you should try out what best suits you :wink:
If you decide to upscale, use a precise BicubicResize.

Wolfi 05-05-2003 09:44 AM

so there is no good resolution in the middle of 352x288 and 528x576 :?:

//Wolfi

Boulder 05-05-2003 09:58 AM

352x576, CVD resolution. I use it from time to time.

bman 05-05-2003 10:10 AM

In this case I prefere 352x240 .
Your source is 576x240 - just 240 lines . If u go to higher res I dont think u'll get better picture .
Go for 352x240 with highest CQ value with little sharpening u'll get best u can .
Want to be sure make small clips and compare :wink:
bman

Wolfi 05-05-2003 10:16 AM

SVCD or VCD, how will give me the best quality :?:

//Wolfi

bman 05-05-2003 10:24 AM

U are using KVCD temlates right ?
So , quality u'll get even with 352x240 will be much higher than VCD - xVCD (KVCD).
If source is HQ than u can expect quality almoast SVCD .
bman

Wolfi 05-05-2003 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bman
U are using KVCD temlates right ?
So , quality u'll get even with 352x240 will be much higher than VCD - xVCD (KVCD).
If source is HQ than u can expect quality almoast SVCD .
bman

But should I choose SVCD as MPEG strem type or VCD :)
EDIT: Why should'nt I have this resolution, 352x480 :?:

//Wolfi

bman 05-05-2003 10:44 AM

I didn't say do not use 352x480 8) .
Just , try and see . Take same episode and encode it with 352x480 , 352x240 , 480x480 or even 704x480 if your player can support it and compare them . This test shoud take about half an hour but than u'll be sure in your choise .
Which stream svcd or vcd ??? I don't follow exectly what u mean !
Try to encode as mpeg1 as egreed that TMPGenc is best for it .
bman

jorel 05-05-2003 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bman
I didn't say do not use 352x480 8) .
Just , try and see . Take same episode and encode it with 352x480 , 352x240 , 480x480 or even 704x480 if your player can support it and compare them . This test shoud take about half an hour but than u'll be sure in your choise .
Which stream svcd or vcd ??? I don't follow exectly what u mean !
Try to encode as mpeg1 as egreed that TMPGenc is best for it .
bman

excuse my ignorance:
:oops:

704x480 is for ntsc?
ashamed thanks!
:oops:

dazedconfused 05-05-2003 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
704x480 is for ntsc?
ashamed thanks!
:oops:

Yes, 704x480 for NTSC, 704x576 for PAL. :wink:

-d&c

Wolfi 05-05-2003 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bman
I didn't say do not use 352x480 8) .
Just , try and see . Take same episode and encode it with 352x480 , 352x240 , 480x480 or even 704x480 if your player can support it and compare them . This test shoud take about half an hour but than u'll be sure in your choise .
Which stream svcd or vcd ??? I don't follow exectly what u mean !
Try to encode as mpeg1 as egreed that TMPGenc is best for it .
bman

Ah, I mean witch stream type I should select in ToK :lol:
Is'nt also res. 480x480 NTSC 8O

//Wolfi

bman 05-05-2003 11:28 AM

Select VCD !
As your source is 576x240 I assumed that your source is 23.976fps and NTSC .
If I'm wrong than sorry ?!
bman

Wolfi 05-05-2003 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bman
Select VCD !
As your source is 576x240 I assumed that your source is 23.976fps and NTSC .
If I'm wrong than sorry ?!
bman

576x240, 25.000 (PAL) :P So you mean 480x480 is NTSC :?:

//Wolfi

Wolfi 05-05-2003 12:05 PM

My source quality is actually very good so dont you think I should use a higher resolution then 352x288 :roll:

//Wolfi

Jellygoose 05-05-2003 12:24 PM

Hey Wolfi, we can't do the job of trying out yourself for you :lol:
I'd say you can easily get away with 528x576 (PAL) if your player supports it, but upscale with BicubicResizer. However, opinions differ, so you just gotta try out what you like better... :wink:

Wolfi 05-05-2003 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellygoose
Hey Wolfi, we can't do the job of trying out yourself for you :lol:
I'd say you can easily get away with 528x576 (PAL) if your player supports it, but upscale with BicubicResizer. However, opinions differ, so you just gotta try out what you like better... :wink:

Well it supports 544x480 NTSC so I suppose it will support 528x576 :? If I choose to encode with 528x576, should I select MPEG-2 or MPEG-1 as stream type in ToK :?:

Using this script :arrow:

ConvertToYUY2()
LegalClip()
GripCrop( width=xxx, height=xxx, overscan=0 )
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(10, 30, 0, 0, 10, 30)
SpaceDust()
unfilter(50,50)
temporalsmoother(1,2)
mergechroma(blur(1.58))
mergeluma(blur(0.3))
DctFilter(1,1,1,1,1,.5,.5,0)
GripBorders()
Letterbox(0,0,32,32)
LegalClip()

//Wolfi :)

Jellygoose 05-05-2003 12:58 PM

:D If you live in a NTSC Zone, encode at 544x480 instead of 544x576. However, you overscan way to much at the end. Change the values to this: Letterbox(0,0,18,18). The resolution is too low to overlap 32 pixel on each side.
Also lower the LumaBlur to 0.15 in this script, or the picture will get to soft.


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