Ok, I'm a moron. I have no idea how to use the KVCD template
I've read the kvcd quick guide in the forums, and thumbed though (so to speak) the kvcdguide (found in the KVCD From Scratch - A User's Guide topic).
All of these only talk about how to make a kvcd starting from a DVD.

Here's my thing. I have a vcd mpeg1 video but it's about 85mins. I'd like to get it to fit on 80min CDR because it would really suck to have to split it up just because it's a few mins bigger than what will fit on 1 disc.
So how do I use the kvcd templates to redo the video and still have the audio? Because I've tried doing before reading the forums and there was no audio when it was done...atleast as much as I let it do.

I've seen a KVCD template that is stated as being used for 90min videos. Am I correct in thinking that if I use this template with TMPGEnc to encode a video and then using something like Nero and non-compliant vcd that it will fit?

A simple, straight forward guide would be great. So how I'm pretty sure someone is going to point to another topic in the forums here...which is fine if it truely answers my question (i've had cases where it didn't in other forum sites).

Thanks

@wolf68k,

The easiest way would be to cut end credits of the movie with Tmpgenc.
Open Tempgenc>Tools>Cut or Merge>(select vcd standard)>add
file(your vcd). Double click on the file you added. Move the slider
until you are near the end credits. Use the play > to get exactly where
you want to stop. Press OK. select an output file with a different file
name than your input. Press RUN button and wait. When the program
finishes check the file size with properties. If your around 794MB or
less then your set to burn.

-bp

I thought of that, however the end credits are only 30secs long
That still leaves 84 or so mins...there are no real opening credits to speak of and cutting out what there is of them would help even less

@wolf68k,

Converting mpeg-1 to mpeg-1 will lose so much picture quality that
it's not worth trying. Unless you are willing to try a 99 minute CD
or 90 minute CD, I would not even try. If you choose to try a 90+
CD, be aware there are issues of whether your CD-R will even work
with that format and compatibility problems of whether your stand-alone
DVD player will reconize this type of disc. Then there are portability
issues, by which I mean, it may not play on most other DVD players.

-bp

Welcome wolf68k,

It would probably be more relevant to tell us the size of your file (in megabytes) rather than how many minutes long it is. See, just because your movie is 85 minutes long does not necessarily mean that it will not fit onto an 80-minute cdr (if you study up about kvcd's you'll see that it's quite possible to fit anywhere from 2 to 3 hours onto one 80-minute cdr with quality levels that are at least equal to standard vcd quality, and in the case of most ~2-hour films, WORLDS better). Do you know the characteristics of your file (i.e. how was it encoded...is the video CBR?...what audio bitrate was used?...vcd-standard 224kbps, or lower?...etc). Knowing this info, someone might be better able to offer you some advice. Just a thought, but maybe you could try demuxing the audio with TMPG, re-encoding it to a lower bitrate with HeadAC3he (or similar audio program), and then re-muxing it with your video? That would save you some space. Does your burner support overburning?...that could gain you an extra ~25MB or so on some 80-minute cdr's as well. The truly easiest way would be what Black Prince suggested...just using a 90 or 99minute cdr (if your cd-burner and dvd-player supports these).

Good luck,
-d&c

Well I've seem to have lost the file, but I still would like to know for next time.
What I can tell you is that was is encoded as a normal mpeg1 for standard VCD. It was some where between 810-820megs I would guess.

I've seen the 120minute KVCD template, I also have it. But the question still remains; why when I try to use any of the KVCD templates it only encoded the video and no audio?

My burnning software is Nero, so it does do over burnning. As for getting 90 or 99min CDRs, I'm a little on edge about getting those right now and I'm not 100% sure my burner supports them.

@wolf68k,

dazed&confused is correct about de-multiplexing to redo the audio
to a lower bitrate (creating a smaller audio file). Then multiplexing the
video and audio with bbMpeg. The reason I didn't suggest this is you
described yourself as new to this process. I assumed you haven't done
this before and that it would be very confusing. If you are willing to try,
start by posting questions and you will certainly get help

-bp

wolf, by default the kvcd templates are set to Video Only in the Stream Type. If you want TMPGenc to do the audio you have to select "System (Video + Audio)" as stream type, and you would have to select an audio source as well.

Kwag has always suggested doing the audio on its own with Headac3he, as the results are better for a given bitrate then you can get with TMPGenc.

Read throught the guides for info on how to do this (its pretty easy actually) or try using the ToK program to automate some of the process.

Ok so let me see if I got this right

1) use TMPGEnc to demux the mpg file
2) use HeadAC3he to lower the audio bitrate
3) use TMPGEnc with the KVCD template, select video+audio; the video source is the original file (or the demux'ed?), the audio source is the demux/HeadAC3he file
4) {the one part I do know already} burn with Nero using VCD set for non-compliate
5) Enjoy new VCD

that sound about right?

btw, thanks for all the help.
I've tried reading the guide but they all seem to expecting you start with a DVD. As for ToK I thought about that too, but it's the AVISynth part that confuses me.
I have ripped DVDs to VCD, but it was to a standard VCD and the only problem I had at that time was harddrive space, but that was easily fixed and a completely different story

@wolf68k,

wolf68k wrote:
3) Use Tmpgenc>Tools>Multiplex(Standard VCD)

4) I use VCDEasy. It's uses less overhead than Nero for overburn.
Nero adds 15MB where as VCDEasy uses 8MB.

5) Enjoy re-encoded VCD

-bp