hi totonho03,

Sorry, I lost my connect (sys crash)

Be sure to Right-Click (not left) ...

and when the SaveAs box comes up, just give it an .rar extention in place
of the .mpeg one. For the life of me, I don't know why it comes up that way
though. But, I speculate, that it as something to do w/ the archieve being
an .m2v file (inside)

Just rename .mpeg to an .rar and you will be fine.

-vhelp

Here are my results w/ CQM v1.1.07 thus far:


I just got finished w/ TWO "predicts" w/ v1.1.07 and I was amazed at how
much faster it was w/ a complete "predict" of:

* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Dogma"
* Length: 128 min - - - (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 741 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 423
* Last CQ: 49.152
* FileSize: 11.122mb

And, remember, "predict" was run TWICE, cause I coudln't believe it, and
thought that either my system would crash on the 2nd test, or give me a
complete set of different numbers. But, it game me the SAME

Deffinate improvements !! !!

see both LOG's 1 and 2 results below.

-vhelp

----------------------------------------

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.07
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 17:26:05 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: H:\en\v2.520-dogma.128x741x423.cqm(v1.1.07).tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

H:\dogma.hq.01.m2v
Project resolution: 704x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 128
Average Bitrate: 741
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 17:27:02
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.0000
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.15 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.819213
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.0000
Current CQ = 49.1528
CQ difference = 10.847233
Using CQ of 49.1528
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.08 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.999408
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 49.152767
Last CQ = 49.1528
Current CQ = 49.1236
CQ difference = 0.029118
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 12.23
Process ended at 17:39:16
On 08/10/2003

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- LOG #2 - 2nd test run -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.07
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 17:03:00 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: H:\en\v2.520-dogma.128x741x423.cqm(v1.1.07).tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

H:\dogma.hq.01.m2v
Project resolution: 704x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 128
Average Bitrate: 741
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 17:03:19
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.0000
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.15 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.819213
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.0000
Current CQ = 49.1528
CQ difference = 10.847233
Using CQ of 49.1528
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.05 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.999408
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 49.152767
Last CQ = 49.1528
Current CQ = 49.1236
CQ difference = 0.029118
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 12.20
Process ended at 17:15:31
On 08/10/2003

note, it was actually 3 times, but the first time, my sys crashed after, but
the last value of was 49.152 ..see snip below

-- -- -- -- actual first pass (before sys crashed)
-- -- -- -- just the tail end is all you need here

File size difference = 0.999407
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 49.152996
Last CQ = 49.1530
Current CQ = 49.1238
CQ difference = 0.029160
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 13.45
Process ended at 16:42:02
On 08/10/2003

ok,

I'm on test testing v1.1.08 for consisency, per Kwagowsky

Same setup as before.. oh, and I think I have the perfect setup for getting
the "predict" testing to start the first time w/out issues finally..
and I wrote the steps down this time.. will test it out again, for the umpteenth
time

See you all in 12+ minutes be CL
-vhelp

CQMatic 1108 resuts

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 18:56:23 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: C:\CQMatic\1106.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

D:\La Luna\ToK\2\VIDEOKwagPhilpred2.m2v
Project resolution: 480x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 31
Average Bitrate: 1074
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 18:56:35
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.0
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.58 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.078562
Low fence: 60.000000
High fence: 90.000000
Last CQ = 60.0
Current CQ = 64.7
CQ difference = 4.713707
Using CQ of 64.7
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.88 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.965236
Low fence: 60.000000
High fence: 64.713707
Last CQ = 64.7
Current CQ = 62.4
CQ difference = 2.356853
Using CQ of 62.4
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.37 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.076374
Low fence: 62.356853
High fence: 64.713707
Last CQ = 62.4
Current CQ = 63.5
CQ difference = 1.178425
Using CQ of 63.5
Prediction cycle #4
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.17 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.992652
Low fence: 62.356853
High fence: 63.535278
Last CQ = 63.5
Current CQ = 62.9
CQ difference = 0.589211
Using CQ of 62.9
Prediction cycle #5
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.53 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.033386
Low fence: 62.946068
High fence: 63.535278
Last CQ = 62.9
Current CQ = 63.2
CQ difference = 0.294605
Using CQ of 63.2
Prediction cycle #6
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.43 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.011382
Low fence: 63.240673
High fence: 63.535278
Last CQ = 63.2
Current CQ = 63.4
CQ difference = 0.147305
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 38.98
Process ended at 19:35:34
On 08/10/2003

CQ63,2 is perfect for my target!


testing now the 1108a version!

SUCCESS AGAIN !!

Ok, here are my results from v1.1.08 today:

Everything stays the same here, as before.

* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Dogma"
* Length: 128 min - - - (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 741 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 423
* Last CQ: 49.2 - - - - - (from prev. CQ 49.152)
* FileSize: 11.123mb (from prev. 11.122mb)

--------------------------------------------------

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 18:16:52 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: H:\en\v2.520-dogma.128x741x423.cqm(v1.1.07).tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

H:\dogma.hq.01e.m2v
Project resolution: 704x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 128
Average Bitrate: 741
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 18:17:49
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.0
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.52 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.819213
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.0
Current CQ = 49.2
CQ difference = 10.847233
Using CQ of 49.2
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.50 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.999345
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 49.152767
Last CQ = 49.2
Current CQ = 49.1
CQ difference = 0.032185
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 13.03
Process ended at 18:30:51
On 08/10/2003

That's great , but use 1.1.08a, because I've seen file size differences from x.15 to x.20 CQ values
So it's better to play it safer on precision

-kwag

Ok, results are in:

No change. All is a-ok STILL !!

Mind you, these are results based off a "prediction" not a full encode.
I'm not yet ready for that. That will prove for sure, weather CQM STANDS
up, or sits down hehe to my expectatioins. I'm thinking of setting it up on
my 2nd pc and let it necode "Dogma" complete, for this test, but I fear that
my 2nd pc will not perform the same or give poor results based off of some
strangeness of my 2nd pc. But, that's me going

I'll think about it. Anyways, here are my "prediction" for same material:

Everything stays the same here, as before, again.

* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Dogma"
* Length: 128 min - - - (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 741 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 423
* Last CQ: 49.15 - - - - - (from prev. CQ 49.2, and 49.152)
* FileSize: 11.122 - - - - -(prev. 11.123mb and 11.122mb)

Note, I used vcalc for all my calcs above, w/ their respective settings.

yet another --> CL

-vhelp

-- -- -- -- --

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08a
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 18:46:13 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: H:\en\v2.520-dogma.128x741x423.cqm(v1.1.07).tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

H:\dogma.hq.01e.m2v
Project resolution: 704x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 128
Average Bitrate: 741
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 18:46:43
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.63 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.819213
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 49.15
CQ difference = 10.847233
Using CQ of 49.15
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.77 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.999407
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 49.152767
Last CQ = 49.15
Current CQ = 49.12
CQ difference = 0.029133
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 13.40
Process ended at 19:00:07
On 08/10/2003

this thread got too big size!
this is the last time that i paste the full log...don't need no more.
before all,some explanations:
athlon xp2000+ but adjusted the bios to 1800 cos here is too hot today,
it turn the pc slow but decrease the temper too!
the final time will be short when i adjust to 2000 again! ok?

results from CQMatic 1108a:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08a
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 19:42:40 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: C:\CQMatic\1106.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

D:\La Luna\ToK\2\VIDEOKwagPhilpred2.m2v
Project resolution: 480x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 31
Average Bitrate: 1074
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 19:42:53
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.73 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.078562
Low fence: 60.000000
High fence: 90.000000
Last CQ = 60.0
Current CQ = 64.7
CQ difference = 4.713699
Using CQ of 64.71
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.62 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.965298
Low fence: 60.000000
High fence: 64.713699
Last CQ = 64.7
Current CQ = 62.4
CQ difference = 2.356850
Using CQ of 62.36
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.87 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.076409
Low fence: 62.356850
High fence: 64.713699
Last CQ = 62.4
Current CQ = 63.5
CQ difference = 1.178425
Using CQ of 63.54
Prediction cycle #4
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.38 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.990764
Low fence: 62.356850
High fence: 63.535275
Last CQ = 63.5
Current CQ = 62.9
CQ difference = 0.589214
Using CQ of 62.95
Prediction cycle #5
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.45 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.029363
Low fence: 62.946060
High fence: 63.535275
Last CQ = 62.9
Current CQ = 63.2
CQ difference = 0.294609
Using CQ of 63.24
Prediction cycle #6
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.37 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 1.008766
Low fence: 63.240669
High fence: 63.535275
Last CQ = 63.2
Current CQ = 63.4
CQ difference = 0.147301
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 39.42
Process ended at 20:22:18
On 08/10/2003


final CQ63,24...perfect AGAIN to my target!


no more words my dears.....don't need!

:yippie:

Just a thought for your next version Kwag.. when you run the program and just click cancel straight out it asks you if you want to abort the process when no process is running.. Perhaps this cancel button could be disabled for when no process is running. Just a thought.

Thanks.

You mean like this
http://www.kvcd.net/CQMatic-1.1.08b.exe

Thanks,
-kwag

results with 1108b:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08b
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 23:42:39 Date: 08/10/2003
Ready!
Project: C:\CQMatic\1106.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

D:\La Luna\ToK\2\VIDEOKwagPhilpred2.m2v
Project resolution: 480x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 31
Average Bitrate: 1074
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 23:42:55
On 08/10/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
...
...
Low fence: 63.240669
High fence: 63.535275
Last CQ = 63.24
Current CQ = 63.39
CQ difference = 0.147301
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 57.38
Process ended at 00:40:18
On 08/11/2003

CQ63,24.....ok again!
...and cancel button is ok too,like desired!

Well, I just finished doing Full 107min prediction for "Red Planet" ...

* 800 MB CDR
* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Red Planet"
* Audio: 112 kbits
* Length: 107 min - - - -- (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 909 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 518 - - - - - - - - (0.57 * aveBitrate)
* Last CQ: 51.26
* Process time: 39.52 minutes
* FileSize: 13.604mb @ 2min sample

Note, imo, anytime CQ is 50 or greater, expect decent quality or better.
2 minute sample looked good in my opinion for a 1 CDR project !!



Now, on to the "Matrix" ...

-vhelp

----------------- first test run

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.08a
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 00:28:44 Date: 08/11/2003
Ready!
Project: H:\en\v2.520-redplanet.107x909x518.cqm(v1.1.08a).tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

H:\redplanet.hq.01e.07.m2v
Project resolution: 704x480
Execute.
Movie Time: 107
Average Bitrate: 909
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 00:29:13
On 08/11/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.53 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.890518
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 53.43
CQ difference = 6.568932
Using CQ of 53.43
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.50 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.987020
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 53.431068
Last CQ = 53.43
Current CQ = 52.74
CQ difference = 0.693542
Using CQ of 52.74
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.90 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.988249
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 52.737526
Last CQ = 52.74
Current CQ = 52.12
CQ difference = 0.619709
Using CQ of 52.12
Prediction cycle #4
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.40 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.990206
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 52.117817
Last CQ = 52.12
Current CQ = 51.61
CQ difference = 0.510422
Using CQ of 51.61
Prediction cycle #5
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.67 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference = 0.993301
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 51.607395
Last CQ = 51.61
Current CQ = 51.26
CQ difference = 0.345737
Using CQ of 51.26
Prediction cycle #6
Encoder started...
Process time: 6.52 minutes.
Encoder end.
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 39.52
Process ended at 01:08:44
On 08/11/2003

Well, not so good this time around.

Well, I'm still "predicting" the Full 136min for "Matrix" ... and it's sucking
bigtime (the movie, that is) It's on it's 10th pass, wow. And, CQ seems to be decrementing by sigle digits like a count down timer . That just suck for me ("matrix" that is) cause I'm waiting and waiting ta go ta bed, and it's STILL going at it.. now down to CQ 23.21. But, I don't get it this time.
"Dogma" is a 128min and it only took 2 passes and CQ'ed at 51 !!
Must be something to do w/ the source

* 800 MB CDR
* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Matrix"
* Audio: 112 kbits
* Length: 136 min - - - -- (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 691 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 394 - - - - - - - - (0.57 * aveBitrate)
* Last CQ:
* Process time:
* FileSize: @ 2min sample

And it's STILL going at it..

-vhelp

Update...

still not so good w/ "matix"

its still predicting "Matrix" (see above)

* 800 MB CDR
* Project type: MPEG-2 w/ 16:9 output for true widescreen viewing
* Movie: "Matrix"
* Audio: 112 kbits
* Length: 136 min - --- (used no seconds here)
* bitrate: 691 - - - - - - (based off, Form: Bearson calc mode, in vcalc)
* MIN: 394 - - - - - - - - (0.57 * aveBitrate)
* Last CQ:
* Process time:
* FileSize: @ 2min sample

15 passes, and still going at it..

. . and still going..

I'm finished ..w/ "matrix" this time around
-vhelp

@vhelp,

Don't try to put a movie like "The Matrix" at 704x480 on one CD.
I did mention earlier that the CQ curve below ~50 will take a long time to predict, because of TMPEG. Not because of CQMatic
Either lower your resolution to 528x480 ( Will look way better than 704x480 anyway ) or put it on 2 CDs, if you insist on that resolution

-kwag

Hay Kwag,

sorry, I was just trying to see if it would prove just as well, as "Dogma"
did, but it didn't.

It finally stopped at 173.95minutes after 26 passes. pfew!!

I was hopping "Matrix" would work, but I was dissapointed at "Matrix" for
now - (not at CQM)

Anyways, there are other movies to test (later on) getting ready for work

Have a great day all,
-vhelp

Gentlemen:
A FIRST ONE FOR ME!!!!! I finally completed my first kvcd!!!!!!!!!! :yippie:
I know, I know, most of you are way ahead of me but watch out, The Peruvian is running faster than un burro veloz, ja. Burros are notorious for being slow, a few will gallop, but most all of them just walk, they can carry a heavy load, but........
Anyway, the kvcd was not perfect. (Operator error) The size of the file was 799.692 MB, the audio is out of sync, but the video is great!!!!!!, and I was not using any filters at all!!!!!!!!!!!. And of course the only machine that played it was the Cyberhome 60 dollars player.

Now I have to do a lot of reading in order for me to be able to have synchronized audio, subtittles and a second languaje. Oh well, this is certainly not a boring hobbie.

Well, what can I say but to thank kwag, jorel, vhelp, black prince, red-m, vmesquita, new_bee, dialhot and many others that posted questions similar to the ones I had, as well as the folks who out of the goodness of their hearts took the time to write their guides, vmesquita, black prince, red m, Avalon, and the Spanish guides. To all of you: in your name with a big THANK YOU, ans a special to EL MAESTRO KWAG!!!!!!!

Totonho03

P.S.- Please do not get mad at you if I keep on posting what may seem silly questions to you......

Hay toots..

FWIW..
one word, color-space. eliminate the steps in between, that causes the
issues with, and you have as good as quality you'll get. Course, theres a
few tip'n techneque one keeps to him/her self

Listen, I'm glad you made it, pal

I've ben working w/ the "Matrix" predition, and have had nothing but poor
results, which I believe to be the source itself. I have a few hunches, but
I need the time to debug them ( which I'm doing now, sort of )

Keep up the good work.
-vhelp

Hello vhelp:

Thank you for your help. Just for my clarification, what did you mean by:
Sorry mi amigo, I did not understand your meaning of the quote.

I was going to buy the Matrix and The Red Planet today, but run into virus issues in my computer and expended most of the day correcting it. I ewill more than likely do that tomorrow.

Best regards

Totonho or Toots, as my friends now call me

hi toots,

Sorry for the confusion
I was on a role. Anyways, fwiw, there are many factors that taint the color
space to a degree. In my experience, and imo, I feel that the more one
uses filters (filter items) the more of a chance you ARE tainting your sources
color space. But, depends on a number of factors. ie, how many filter
items you have in your script, ie, ConvertToYUV and ConvertToYV12 etc
as examples. Just using them once (IMO) is enough to make me wonder. But, as long as you don't notice anything, then it's safe to not worry about it

yeah, get the Matrix and Red Planet I can watch the Matrix many times,
and still enjoy it. IMO, it's an original piece. I just hope that the Sequal hasn't
spoiled it.
The Red Planet is another great movie.. worthy of a Sequal too.