Bitrates: Beta Testing with Same Source and Same Settings - Page 2

jorel · #21 08-07-2003, 04:51 PM

another source Krassi?
but i only have musicals and Disney's... all ntsc.
and your results will be great for everybody in the forum!

Krassi · #22 08-08-2003, 12:16 AM

Here the results for progressive setting:

Code:

Wanted  VS: 704 512 KB
Encoded VS: 717 088 KB

kwag · #23 08-08-2003, 12:24 AM

Thanks Krassi

We're getting closer

That's only 12,576KB

-kwag

Krassi · #24 08-08-2003, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

another source Krassi?
but i only have musicals and Disney's...

The only one i have is "a bug's life"

Krassi · #25 08-08-2003, 02:38 AM

Kwag, i'm stuck

:
I have processed the same source, with the same settings on two differenct PC's. The only things that could be different, are the Avisynth version and/or the Mpeg2Source-plugin

Thats the log on the other machine:

Code:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.02
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 08:45:55 Date: 08/08/2003
Ready!
Project: Matrix.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

Matrix.m1v
Execute.
Movie Time: 131
Average Bitrate: 717
Prediction Only mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 08:46:13
On 08/08/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 18.43 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.872783
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 52.37
CQ difference = 7.632999
Using CQ of 52.37
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 18.25 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.936676
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 52.367001
Last CQ = 52.37
Current CQ = 49.05
CQ difference = 3.316097
Using CQ of 49.05
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process canceled

EDIT: Nevermind, found the error. Moviestacker gave me 528x480 instead of 528x576

kwag · #26 08-08-2003, 02:46 AM

Grab 1.1.04 NOW, and dump 1.1.02 and 1.1.03

-kwag

jorel · #27 08-08-2003, 02:48 AM

@ Krassi...
better is stay with "the matrix".
have big size time and is one good reference....
"everybody" but me have this movie too!

think how the posts will be strange with Disney's....like:
"hey,dumbo is hard to encode,is heavy and break the system....or
pinochio nose seems "strange"....or
in white as snow...hey it's anamorphic?...the dwarfs are small."
things like that.

kwag · #28 08-08-2003, 02:50 AM

Krassi · #29 08-08-2003, 03:20 AM

@jorel:

I love the "Lebkuchenmann" (is gingebread-man right?) in Shrek when he squeals the muffin-man

@Kwag:
I'm doing a prediction right now with 1.1.04

I can compare my Avisynth-versions this evening.

kwag · #30 08-08-2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krassi

@jorel:

I love the "Lebkuchenmann" (is gingebread-man right?) in Shrek when he squeals the muffin-man

Is that the "EAT ME

" part

-kwag

Krassi · #31 08-08-2003, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Is that the "EAT ME

" part

Maybe its not translated right into german. Its the part where the king?? is torturing the gingerbread-man with milk and wants to take away his drops

Then he reveals the secret

EDIT: Just found it:

Code:

Lord Farquaad: Tell me where the creatures are!
Gingerbread Man: All right, I'll tell you. Do you know the muffin man?
Lord Farquaad: The muffin man?
Gingerbread Man: The muffin man.
Lord Farquaad: Why yes, I know the muffin man. The one who lives on Drury Lane?
Gingerbread Man: Well�she's married to�the muffin man.
Lord Farquaad: The muffin man?
Gingerbread Man: The muffin man!!

Krassi · #32 08-08-2003, 04:50 AM

Prediction with 1.1.04:

Code:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.04
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 11:00:13 Date: 08/08/2003
Ready!
Project: Matrix.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

Matrix.m1v
Project resolution: 528x576
Execute.
Movie Time: 131
Average Bitrate: 717
Full Encode mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 11:00:43
On 08/08/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 9.30 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.944228
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 56.65
CQ difference = 3.346310
Using CQ of 56.65
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 9.68 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.986638
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 56.653690
Last CQ = 56.65
Current CQ = 55.90
CQ difference = 0.757008
Using CQ of 55.90
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 10.88 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 1.024662
Low fence: 55.896683
High fence: 56.653690
Last CQ = 55.90
Current CQ = 56.28
CQ difference = 0.378502
Using CQ of 56.28
Prediction cycle #4
Encoder started...
Process time: 8.37 minutes.
Encoder end.
Encoding set to Full encode.
Full encode start...
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 38.25
Process ended at 11:38:58
On 08/08/2003

Krassi · #33 08-08-2003, 12:28 PM

Here the results for progressive setting with 1.1.04:

Code:

Wanted  VS: 704 512 KB
Encoded VS: 725 491 KB

Krassi · #34 08-08-2003, 04:17 PM

I've just played around with the average bitrate. I've used valc 0.0.5 to get the average bitrate. Moviestacker suggested a value of 726 kbps, vcalc 717.
Then i've set MS Precision to 0.71 and here are the encoding results (712 kbps)

Code:

http://www.kvcd.net
CQMatic Version 1.1.04
Copyright Softronex Corporation, 2003.
All rights reserved.
Time: 19:32:29 Date: 08/08/2003
Ready!
Project: Matrix_progressive.tpr

Creating: CQMatic.tpr

Matrix.m1v
Project resolution: 528x576
Execute.
Movie Time: 131
Average Bitrate: 712
Full Encode mode
Executing Prediction Phase...
Process started at 19:34:45
On 08/08/2003
CQ set for prediction
Setting up initial sampling.
Using CQ of 60.00
Prediction cycle #1
Encoder started...
Process time: 4.37 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.939962
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 60.000000
Last CQ = 60.00
Current CQ = 56.40
CQ difference = 3.602264
Using CQ of 56.40
Prediction cycle #2
Encoder started...
Process time: 3.88 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 0.993761
Low fence: 2.000000
High fence: 56.397736
Last CQ = 56.40
Current CQ = 56.05
CQ difference = 0.351852
Using CQ of 56.05
Prediction cycle #3
Encoder started...
Process time: 3.73 minutes.
Encoder end.
File size difference  = 1.012327
Low fence: 56.045883
High fence: 56.397736
Last CQ = 56.05
Current CQ = 56.22
CQ difference = 0.175926
Encoding set to Full encode.
Full encode start...
CQMatic complete!
Total minutes of process: 12.00
Process ended at 19:46:45
On 08/08/2003

Code:

Wanted  VS: 704 512 KB
Encoded VS: 704 322 KB

Thats the best prediction i ever had.
@Kwag:
Maybe you could implement the bitrate calculator before version 2 or release version 2 now

I think the prediction problems aren't coming from CQMatic

Maybe we should take a look at calculation of the average bitrate.

Krassi · #35 08-11-2003, 07:53 AM

Results with 1.1.08b:

Code:

Movie Time 131
128707.5 Audio
690292.5 Video
Bitrate 702.58778625954198473282442748092
Min-bitrate: 400.47503816793893129770992366412

Code:

Wanted VS: 690292.5 KB
Final VS: 640319 KB

kwag · #36 08-11-2003, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krassi

Results with 1.1.08b:

Code:

Movie Time 131
128707.5 Audio
690292.5 Video
Bitrate 702.58778625954198473282442748092
Min-bitrate: 400.47503816793893129770992366412

Code:

Wanted VS: 690292.5 KB
Final VS: 640319 KB

Was this the same movie as your previous post

-kwag

Krassi · #37 08-11-2003, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Was this the same movie as your previous post

Yep, always "The Matrix".

kwag · #38 08-11-2003, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krassi

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Was this the same movie as your previous post

Yep, always "The Matrix".

Was there something different

MIN, MAX

There shouldn't be any difference with the same settings from 1.1.07 to 1.1.08b

You should get about the same CQ, but only two decimal points instead of four on the latest version.

-kwag

Krassi · #39 08-11-2003, 09:41 AM

I changed Min. bitrate to 400 and gave CQMatic another average bitrate (702 instead of 712).
I've seen your calculation of Bitrate and min bitrate in another post and tried it.

kwag · #40 08-11-2003, 09:44 AM

@Krassi,

Could you try identical MIN, MAX and average with 1.1.07 and 1.1.08b, and see if you get a different CQ

There shouldn't be a difference

-kwag