I only have one thing to say

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David

translate: You MVCDler are just Load-Template-click run guys.
YES 99.9% because it works that way. I made a 220 Min mVCD that way,
why should i change something?
So why the excitement if 0.1% trys to use tools and skripts published here at kvcd???
komisch bei zehntausenden von leuten funktionieren die templates. Just one look at the MVCD Forum and you shoult have seen, that, if there is a problem with your Player, you just have to change the vbv settings..

there is no fight at all, just a diskusion.. and if you like Originals, you know that z.B.:alaskas Guide VD2MVCD using DVD2SVCD came just 5 days
before your DVD2KVCD using DVD2SVCD guide..
zufall?

If MVCD is that bad, why talk aboud it? Use kvcd and be happy.
Some people drink Pepsi and other people Coca Cola.

Because Pepsi never started their business stealing the Coca formula, and changing it a long time after to say "Hey ! We do not use Coca recipe anynore, stop flamming us."

Edit : Can you ALL please stop talking german in english forums ?
Too lazy for doing it in english ? Okay, just don't post then !

Thank you.

Uh-Oh!

2 days absent and you need 1/2 hour to read what has been posted.

I've always seen MVCD as a "German translation", for people who don't understand English that well and thus can't use the explanations given at KVCD.
I wondered when they suddenly started to claim that they were a project on their own. How can a project be on its own if it constantly quotes (I say quote, not copy) another project? Remove all material by KVCD.net (e.g. Filesize prediction), replace it by your own and you'll be an independent project. No sooner will anyone from KVCD regard you as equal, and not sooner will there be ONE AREPA. (though mmkay-VCD is tempting )
As long as you don't do that there is no point of a discussion, because our side will not move. Call it whatever you want, I call it headstrong.
And regarding the CCE template: I'm ready to talk about it.

ey avalon sag mal peilstes nicht ?

Ich habe meine Templates 2 Monate vor deinen gepostet siehe MVCD Forum und dein Forum...

Du hast deine Templates am 09.08 geposted ich am 09.07

Also nix geklaute CCE Templates..

So der Guide ist auch nicht geklaut

vmesquita postet seinen Guide am 18.07 ich aber am 09.07 ....

So jetzt darfste dich Fragen wer hier Die Templates geklaut hat..

Und dann noch dreist hier kommen und wieder sturr behaupten MVCD hätte geklaut.

einfach lächerlich

ENGLISH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Il y a quelque chose que tu n'arrives pas a comprendre dans ce simple mot ?

Jim's post translated:

ey avalon, don't you get it?
i posted my templates 2 months before you did - take a look at MVCD forum and your forum...
you posted your templates on 09.08 and i did on 09.07 [new_bee's note: personally i believe that's 1 month]
so don't you say stolen CCE templates..
therefore the guide ain't stolen either
vmesquita posted his guide on 18.07 but i did on 09.07 ....
now you may ask who of the both of us stole the templates..

now you're cheeky on me and stubbornly claim that MVCD stole the templates.

just riddiculous

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Jim,

Vmesquita kann nur portugiesisch und englisch, nix deutsch. Er fängt mit eurem deutschem Forum daher eher weniger an.

Und WENN er die Idee von dir hätte (weisz ich nicht), von geklaut kann da wirklich keine Rede sein:

Anderer Modus (2-Pass)
Andere Intra-DC-Precision
Andere Flat Part Priority
Andere GOP
und natürlich andere Matrix

So ziemlich alles anders, was anders sein kann. Soll jetzt nicht heißen, er hätte alles anders gemacht, damit ihr euch nicht beschweren könnt, sondern wir haben uns diese Einstellungen und die zugehörige Filesize Prediction erarbeitet. Wenn du's nicht glaubst, schau mal in den 10-Seiten-Thread direkt unter diesem.

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Translation:

Jim,

Vmesquita can't speak German, thus there is no reason for him to visit your forum.

And IF he got the idea from you (I don't know), you can't say he's stolen anything:

Different Mode (2-Pass)
Different Intra-DC-precision
Different Flat-Part-Priority
Different GOP
and, of course, different Matrix

Nearly everything that can be different in two templates is different. I don't mean the differences are there so you can't complain, but we worked out the best settings and the Filesize-Prediction ourselves. If you don't believe it, check out the 10-sites-tread right beneath this one.

Thank you for the translations new-bee.

yes,thank you too new_bee!

New_bee,

Thanks for your translations and explanations!

[]'s
Vmesquita

thx New_bee..

that was what i wantet to read.. so I re-opent Jims thread if this all is sooo different, then nobody (even not Avalon) can say that jims work is stolen.
end of discussion

oh yes, .....
like MY AVATAR,i did it and was really hard.
the source was pirate(divx) encoded with mvcd template(stoled)
see how the color is perfect....i did it all!

is not the same like you did with "your" matrices and templates?

Hehe, I should be given the title
"KVCD.net Official German-English Relations & Translation Consultant"

LMAO

+ lol @ jorel's avatar's macroblocks

OK! It is realy funnie here in this board. Talking german and translate this into english for all other people. So Jim's Thread is reopend, I think.

Ok. We know the original

@Roc,

No, not quite yet friend! I really didn't want to write anything more in this stupid thread about MVCD, but I feel I should correct you and Incredible about some of their misinterpretations and incorrect assumptions you made about my previous post. Perhaps it was due to the language barrier between us or because you used a bad translator (if you spoke english natively or I spoke german then maybe you would have understood my words better). I will try to explain it in simpler English for you if I can, but I don't have the time or desire to keep trying to teach you about what is right or wrong in life ...you will need to do some soul-searching or take an Ethics class to discover that on your own.

First off, there was no need for you to use profanity Roc. You just as easily could have gotten your point across without breaking forum rules (but then again, you mole folks don't seem too concerned about "rules" or matters of morality, do you? ). The decent and respectful thing to do for others here would be to edit your post to something more acceptable, even if it is only something like "B.S." or "bullsh*t". Secondly, what I was doing there was making an ANALOGY! Never once did I say that you or Mole or any mole people were earning any money with your templates! You put those words in my mouth, not me . You missed my point entirely. FYI, here is a dictionary definition of the word "Analogy", just in case you don't recognize it:

As most people could understand, the point I was trying to make in my post was about copyrights and morality and how people should know that it is wrong to steal another person's work and call it their own. The way that some people steal freeware programs, make minor graphical changes, and then pass it off as their own work and sell it for a profit is similarly dishonest and immoral to how Mole stole Kwag's Matrix and called it his own. I can't explain it much simpler than that for you. If you do not know the difference between right and wrong, then I feel sorry for you because you will probably live a difficult life.

Okay, I realize that I may have been wrong here, so for this, I apologize. If you say that you created your MVCD Matrix entirely by yourself without ever looking at Kwag's Notch Matrix (or one of Mole's early ripoffs of Kwag's Matrix) for any guidance whatsoever during development of your matrix, then it is definetly your own unique work and I will believe you and give you the benefit of any doubts.

However, surely you can see how we kvcd.net members are skeptical sometimes about what someone from the MVCD forums might say. I mean, you yourself admit you know about how Mole was a thief of Kwag's work earlier, and yet you still choose to give your support to a known thief by being a moderator and supporter of him and his website? I'm sorry, but in many peoples' eyes this makes you morally irresponsible and just as guilty as Mole himself. If you choose to moderate a known thief's forum while showing no qualms whatsoever about it, then surely you can see how it would be difficult for us to trust your words. Afterall, common sense tells us that if a person willfully and knowingly surrounds himself with thieves, then he himself is more likely to be a thief as well. And in most peoples' opinions, hanging out with known thieves and liars is morally irresponsible behavior. This whole thread started because Avalon said Jim stole his work without giving him credit for it, which is something that has happened in the past here done by the Mole, the administrator of MVCD! So I'm sorry if we tended to believe Avalon more than any MVCD member, but that's just how it is. Have you ever heard the saying "honor among thieves"? Well, the truth is that thieves have no honor, so there is no such thing as honor among thieves.

After I wrote about MVCD not having original content on their site and instead seemingly "borrowing" everything from KVCD.net, you said:
I'm sorry but I honestly don't see what you were trying to say by your Point #2 here. If you're asking whether or not I've ever tested an MVCD template, the answer is NO, and I never will. I will not give my support to a site that is ran by a dishonest thief who supports dishonest practices. I respect Kwag and and value his friendship too much to do such a thing. But I have read about comparisons people have done between KVCD and MVCD, and I've never seen anyone say that MVCD gave them better quality than KVCD....and I don't doubt this if all that you MVCD guys are doing is loading in a template and clicking "go". Maybe I misunderstood your post, but you made it sound like this is what you do, and I'm sorry, but that is something a newbie does. If that is all you do, then I can guarantee that my KVCDs will look better than your MVCDs probably 9 times out of 10...and why can I be so sure? Because KVCD.net is the main place that started all this extreme tweaking, and many of the ideas and programs on your website are "borrowed" from here (or other places), so who knows better how to use these programs than the people on the Forum that originally developed it? And don't confuse my words as Incredible did after my first post....I am not claiming to be a program developer, nor have I ever claimed that. I merely stated that most of "our" (KVCD.net's) programs can be found on your site, without much content of your own.

The only time I do any flaming is when they deserve it! DasSchaf was running his mouth off about things that he obviously had no idea about (or didn't want to admit), as you can plainly see by reading Kwag's very own words to him! So what I said was accurate, and he deserved it. Flaming is very rare here, and it didn't start happening until you Mole supporters popped out of the shadows. But anyone who knows of MVCD's shady history of what Mole did to Kwag and still gives him support is just as bad as Mole himself in most of our minds. So think about that before you post here. Nobody here, especially Kwag, cares to hear anything about MVCD. If we never heard another single thing about MVCDs here, we would be much happier.

@Incredible,

No, I did not say that. You also are confusing my words or trying to put them into my mouth for me. I said nothing about "forgiving" MVCD. You are the one who is trying to get people to forgive a known pirate who
completely disrespected Kwag and his hard work, and never admitted it or had the decency to apologize for being so unscrupulous. You are the one who continues supporting MVCD even though you know it's history and how Kwag feels about it (with good reason!..how would you like it if someone stole your work and put their name on it?...maybe I should start a website tomorrow called D&C-VCD.net and steal Roc's Matrix and call it my own without giving him credit?...do you think that would make him happy or would be okay? No. And I would never do or condone such a thing).

The point I was making when I suggested that the MVCD site should delete all KVCD methodologies and programs that are being used there was that there would barely be anything left on that site if they did this! Meaning that MVCD might want to start focusing more on creating some original content of their own rather than borowing everything that comes from kvcd.net all the time. MVCD might as well change their website to "GermanKVCDclone.net" due to all of "our" content found there (and by "our", I simply mean that it originates from kvcd.net). Doing this would help prove whether MVCD is a true competitor or worthy alternative to KVCD. If MVCD wants to prove its merit so badly and gain respect (from other people who are more willing to forgive Mole's past piracy from Kwag, not most of us from kvcd.net who are unwilling) then coming up with new ideas on their own seems like a logical place to start. Most people can detect a cheap knockoff of something when they look closely enough, and until MVCD has more original content, that is exactly what many people will label them as...a cheap knockoff. And I'm not saying this to be mean now, I'm just telling it like most people here see it.

Again, your reasoning is flawed or misinformed!

1) Yes, Kwag said he didn't mind anyone who uses the programs of kvcd.net, but what you continue to overlook is that he also said that disrespectful people who knowingly and willfully supports the Mole while knowing exactly what Mole did to Kwag in the past (and both you and Roc fall into this category) are just as bad as Mole himself! So maybe you should think about that the next time you use a program from kvcd.net over at that other website of yours! You don't seem to have enough respect for Kwag to do right by him, and yet you continue to use his work.

2) I never claimed anywhere to be an author or programmer, so please stop trying to put words in my mouth, because I really don't appreciate it. You can tell a person doesn't have much of a valid argument when they start putting imaginary words into someone else's mouth so that they can try to use it against them later. When I used the word "our" when speaking about "our programs", I was referring to programs that originated from "our" website, KVCD.net. That is what I meant by "our".

Do I really have to be a programmer to use the word "our" now in my sentences when I speak about kvcd.net? I am a happy member of the kvcd.net family, and as such, this is "our" website, period! My goodness man!...you are actually trying so hard to nitpick through my words to find something to "bust me" with that you tried to focus on my usage of the word "our" and tried telling me that I was calling myself a programmer by using that word Please...don't try to telling a poster who speaks the primary language that he/she posted in what he/she is or isn't saying, okay? I promise I won't claim to understand all of the subtleties of your native language either when you write in german.

And the only flaming I did was directed at DasSchaff because he definetly earned it! (and of Mole and his followers who won't admit the truth, because they too have earned it). I find your notion ridiculous that I should need to be a programmer in order to qualify for the right to flame a Mole-supporting noob like DasSchaf who comes here without knowing anything about Mole's true dishonest history and then has the audacity to yell at Kwag about it! As a responsible member of this forum who respects Kwag and values his friendship, I have every right in the world to flame that schmuck!...in fact, I'd consider it a MORAL OBLIGATION for me to speak my mind in Kwag's defense when someone so clearly wrongs him! And I'd do it again for anyone else too who didn't deserve such treatment. But some people clearly don't care much about morals or "doing the right thing" these days, do they?

I guess I could have just directed you to this:

Bottom Line: Kwag has made his feelings about MVCD crystal clear in this thread for everyone to see! People who support the Mole while knowing about his thieving past will be considered nothing more than common thieves themselves. Shame on you for being so morally irresponsible. Nothing more should need to be said here, and this stupid thread should be considered closed!....either show some respect for Kwag's wishes and beliefs regarding MVCD, or else choose to go someplace else with your guilty conscience.

-d&c

great and wonderful explanations
my dear friend d&c(gentle giant).

i can speak the same like you and i don't need to "quote" your post.


ps:
my hint for all in mvcd forum:

Roc without "k" don't "RocK"

macroblocks?
oh yes my friend new_bee...

was the mvcd matrices/template used!
....it's normal.

my last posting to that:
yes i did look at kwags matrix to make sure, that there are no similarities im both templates.
It was my childish thinking, that even people at kvcd are so close to reality (i do not know what some people here are smoking... leave it) to see, that there is no more reason to fight...as i sayed.. my childish thinking.
My english may sound funny to some people here, yes it is not my native language, but there is no reason to speak to me like to a little child.

We know that we do not use anything stolen from anywhere!
if you are to blind to see, your problem, not mine
good idea .. and you realy believe what you have written there?
all knowledge on earth comes from kwag .. as your simple mind may see it.
if you like to get polemic, i can do this to..

but.. why this all?
I respect kwags work, maybe he is the one who inspired many other people to make XVCDs or XSVCDs (nothig else is it) and get the best out of the 800MB CDR.
All i asked for was to give up flamig us..
.. maybe sometime kwag, dasschaf, incridible, you and me (may i invite mole?) should sit together, drink a beer ore 2 and in less than 5 minutes all discrepancies are cleared.

@Avalon :
sure you can read a Calendar?
@jorel
nice avatar, if you have nothing important to say.. just try to say nothing..
it works...

Yeh! I can read a Calendar ...Backward!

@ Roc:
only kidding Roc, no bad feelings,
this is not my intention.....only kidding.


i knew about mvcd (maybe in d9,don't remember)when
your site had only one pal template,nothing more if i remember...
i don't test it cos i encode ntsc.
it was last year and believe me,i have it on my hd!
i can search to find the date if you want.
in this time i stay here in kvcd forum and see everything encreasing
in quality with the result of great friends and developers.
every day is better and members are really cool.
for me,Kwag is the best and friendly administrator in the whole world.
the friendhip in this forum don't have price....you can feel it!
see that here,i'm only a "helper" as i call myself.
i can't develop anything!
but of course we could be friends,
we only need to clear the intentions and rights!

best regards!


ps:
excuse my poor english!