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09-13-2003, 06:18 AM
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Hi Kwag,

You previously posted a step by step for determining the exact size of screen in tmpgenc and using moviestacker to generate the avs values. I lost some files and can't find it again.

Could you point me to it?

Also, I am a little confused by moviestacker and need to know the specific fields to enter the tmpgenc data into and all other fields requiring input. I am using KDVDfull and wish to make a 704x480 miniDVD.

I switched over to avisynth 2.52 (with a lot of much appreciated help from Phil) yesterday in order to use MA. It endcodes much faster than the non-MA optimum script. I am still searching for an optimum MA script for tv captures.

Right now, I'm doing a DVD movie, 16:9 Film. I used DVD2AVI without ForceFilm (using Telecide and Decimate).

I opened in TMPGEnc and used clip. Determined that size is 687x272. This is with LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16) in the tpr. (I am always confused about Letterbox settings.)

I open D2V in MovieStacker.

It shows:

Source 720x480 DVD PAL(unchecked) Anamprphic(unchecked) ITU(unchecked)

Film Pixel 720x480 0 left border 0 top border

Crop 720x480 accurate Use Gripfit(unchecked)

Resize 496x542

Destination 720x576 DVD Anamorphic(checked) Format conversion(checked)

Blocks TV-Overscan 2 Resize

What do I do next?

I really appreciate all the aid and information. As I go through this, I know I'll have more questions. Sorry about that.
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You go in the "Avisynth script" tab of Movie stacker, then you select the "Bicubicresize" (or bilinear, or lanczos) line and you copy it.

You open your script in a text editor, and you replace both line "GripCrop" and "Gripsize" by the resizing line you just copy from Moviestacker.

Then you return to movie stacker, you select the "addborder" line, and copy it. Your go again in your texteditor and you paste the line in place of the "Gripborder" one.

That's all.
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09-13-2003, 08:51 PM
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Thanks, Phil

Do you have a MA script or non-MA script for 2.52? I keep getting errors with avi files, although m2v is now working ok. TMPGEnc gives messages with avi: The instruction at "0x77f596b5" referenced memory at "0x5150544d". The memory could not be "read".

I'm sure this results from installing 2.52 and would like to try a known good script to figure it out. I primarily use KDVD half for captures and go to miniDVD.

Thanks again. It is appreciated.
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This is with LetterBox(16, 16, 16, 16) in the tpr. (I am always confused about Letterbox settings.)
Well in the case of 16,16,16,16 Letterboxing you have 2 advantages

1. these borders we won't see on Tv thats why we just change them black and to safe bitrate for the real videoinformation which has to be encoded.

2. MPEG encoding is also macroblock based and one macroblock is 16x16
So the best is to set a 16px black border on the left and the right. In cas of the borders at the top and the bottom just determine your real movie size in for example TMPGEnnc and let Moviestacker fill the out.
And whatch that the high of the top/bottom borders can be devide by 16. So youre here also in the macroblock advantage. )

Here you can also find an translated explanation:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6070
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Do you have a MA script or non-MA script for 2.52?
MA for sure. You know, I was already in 2.5 when all poeple here struggled to stay in 2.0. I think I did a dozen of KVCD with 2.0, no more.
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I keep getting errors with avi files, although m2v is now working ok. TMPGEnc gives messages with avi: The instruction at "0x77f596b5" referenced memory at "0x5150544d". The memory could not be "read".
Whaow. You definitely have a filter that do not like you . can you copy your script here ?
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I'm sure this results from installing 2.52 and would like to try a known good script to figure it out.
The one given in optimal script section !
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09-14-2003, 06:15 AM
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LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\MPEG2DEC3.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\deen.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\gripfit_yv12.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\unfilter_2.5\unfilter.dl l")
LoadPlugin("c:\video\dlls\stmed_2.5a\STMedianFilte r.dll")

AviSource("H:\love\love.avi")
ConvertToYV12()
Limiter()
Telecide()
Decimate()
GripCrop(480, 480, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false, dest_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter( 8, 32, 0, 0 )
Deen()
UnFilter(25, 25)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5)
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
GripBorders()
Limiter()
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09-14-2003, 08:44 AM
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You always have gripgrop ? I thought taht you replace them following the hints given in this tread. You should start by this !

After, if you still have the crash, you should try to comment the filters one by one to isolate the one that gives problem.
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You always have gripgrop ? I thought taht you replace them following the hints given in this tread. You should start by this !

After, if you still have the crash, you should try to comment the filters one by one to isolate the one that gives problem.
I've always used the optimum scripts, hence the GripCrop. I didn't understand that there were two distinct methods. Now I do, thanks.

I managed to run KDVDfull with the MA script, but wasn't able to get proper output screen height for a 16:9. Tried all combinations in TMPGEnc. My final output had vertical compression. This was with the MovieStacker size data pasted into the MA script.

I am going to try the optimum capture script with the 2.52 filters using MovieStacker paste of the size statements.

Thanks for all the aid so far. It does get a bit confusing for some of us and expert advice is the only solution.
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I managed to run KDVDfull with the MA script, but wasn't able to get proper output screen height for a 16:9. Tried all combinations in TMPGEnc. My final output had vertical compression. This was with the MovieStacker size data pasted into the MA script.
Didn't you see the checkbox "anamorphic"' in Moviestacker ? You have one for the source and one the the target. Check them according to your need
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I managed to run KDVDfull with the MA script, but wasn't able to get proper output screen height for a 16:9. Tried all combinations in TMPGEnc. My final output had vertical compression. This was with the MovieStacker size data pasted into the MA script.
Didn't you see the checkbox "anamorphic"' in Moviestacker ? You have one for the source and one the the target. Check them according to your need
Phil,

I think I have both the source and target anamorphic checked. Will check tonight. How should this be evident within the avs script produced by MovieStacker using BicubicResize?

Also, should I use "overlap" for Letterbox() statement? I'm doing a 16:9 NTSC Film. I am no longer using GripCrop().

Assuming I can get source/target anamorphic working, should the first settings screen in TMPGEnc show 16:9, as well as the setting on the second screen? I assume full screen aspect.

I'm getting there, one painful step at a time.

Thanks in advance,

NickSteel
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09-15-2003, 04:37 PM
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I'm getting there, one painful step at a time.
You told that you have both source and dest box checked ? But your source isn't anamorphic ! An avi is very rarely anamorphic.

Do not mistaken 16:9 for anamorphic : that is two different things. One is a format, the other one an geometrical transformation used to make a rectangular picture (1.85 or 2.35) enter in a square box (1.33)
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