@yoda,

I take it from the size of your "proof of life" video file that your encode file sizes are too big--that's widescreen too!!

I'm using avisynth- here's my avs for Mothman-

LoadPlugin("C:\ENCODING\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\ENCODING\Decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\DVD_VIDEO\VIDEO_TS\the_mothman_pro phecies.d2v")
Telecide()
Decimate(cycle=5)
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

I'm IVTC'ing with avisynth just for the hell of it, also I'm not sure but I think that 'AddBorders' line cuts down the file size drastically-

Rendalunit,
how do you go about IVTC'ing with avisynth. Also, do you use fitcd to get your avs?

Thanks,
A-Star

hi A-Star,

first you need to download the decomb.dll plugin, you can download it from here:http://www.doom9.org/decomb.htm and read the guide there too. I use FitCD to write the basic avs script- but I usually have to modify it a little- like removing the '#' before TemporalSmoother.

Yes I used FitCD. Here's the .avs script:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\MPEG2DEC.dll")
mpeg2source("K:\PROOF_OF_LIFE\VIDEO_TS\proof-dvd2avi-176.d2v")
BilinearResize(704,352,0,0,720,480)
#TemporalSmoother(2,2)
AddBorders(0,64,0,64)

The audio is encoded separately from AC3 to mp2 with headAC3he, to include dolby surround and far better audio quality than with the internal TMPEG audio encoder. Then the audio stream is muxed with the video stream with BBmpeg. I saw the movie last night, and it looks like the original DVD in my HDTV :lol:

-kwag

Re: KVCD new beta template users experiences, tweaks and hac
 

If your source is your DVD, and it's FILM ( shot at 24fps ), you don't have to do IVTC. Just turn on "Force FILM" when you create your DVD2AVI project file. I only do IVTC with my captures, which the source is usually FILM, so I use an AviSynth script to do the IVTC. Info here: http://www.inmatrix.com/articles/ivtcsynth.shtml

kwag

Run it through AviSynth with the script posted. My total file size was 1,562,869KB with audio at 224Khz.

-kwag

Re: KVCD new beta template users experiences, tweaks and hac
 

Thank you sdo much kwag,
that is a good thing to know. Now i just dont have any idea why my movie isnt working. The only way I can get a (wll at least this certain one, american pie 2) movie to work is selct forced fim in dvd2avi, and then in tpmgenc I have to encode with mpeg-2 to have 3:2 pulldown when playback selected. This happened with both of the templates. Is there a solution to this problem so that I can encode with MPEG-1?

Thanks
A-Star

What's the reason why you removed the "#" before the temporal smoother? I've just started using FitCD, do I remove it or leave it there?

Use temporal smoother only if your source is not very clean. Even some DVD's are dirty. Specially older ones. So those little spots you see in your original movie, become visible macroblocks on your encodes.

-kwag

Then do you mean if you want to use the temporal smoother, delete the # before it? And if you don't want to use, leave the # alone?

That's right. Every line that starts with a # is a comment.

-kwag

Timberwolf,

Yes, to use temporal smoother, remove the # from the script. If you don't want to use it, just leave the the # in the script.

Okie dokie. Thanks people!

lol. So that's why I keep getting the same filesize whether I'm using with or without the avisynth script. :oops:

hy kwag,

i send you greetings from germany!!
very great forum and your new "beta"-template works very fine, and I think, it´s more better than the the "old" one!! :lol:
now it´s possible for me, to fit nearly 110 min on one CDR!!
(352 x 576, 128 kbit sound, pioneer 444)
I will post your you webpage on the german forum www.dvdboard.de !!!

have a nice day!!

greets from germany
crisou

Thanks crisou!
Let me know how the people at the dvdboard forum like the results too :D

-kwag

ok kwag,

now one very important result from the german PAL-KVCD-template-user:
I belive, there is a very import point between the PAL and the NTSC-template: PAL works with 25 fps and 352 x 576, NTSC with 352 x 480 at 24 fps! the result is, that PAL-template-user can fit 15 % less on one CDR. in best case 100 min! for many movies not enough!
so the best way is, to use more and more MPEG2 for encoding, because MPEG1 get "old" and many stand-alone-players in germany doesn´t work
with the KVCD-templates.
but last not least, I like the your templates, and my movies works very fine on pioneer 444 and DUAL 4500 MP.
That was a little feedback from germay, and you have many fans there!! :lol:

greets
chris

Size of final output (video stream only) and minimum bitrate
 

Kwag,
First of all, my "Shinsonic DVD-160" finally plays KVCD (704x480) at 23.97 without changing the setting of the NEW beta template except the minimum bitrate of video. I have to increase it from 300 to 500, otherwise, video is jerky (occasionally, through out the movie). Can you give me a rough idea as to how the final output size (video stream only) will be increased by increasing the minimum bitrate (say by each 100)?



I have deeply fallen in love with your NEW beta template. By the way, what motivates you to keep braking your own record? Thank you!!!!!!

Re: Size of final output (video stream only) and minimum bit
 

You're going to have to do some test clips to find out the effect in file size. I suggest you do many one minute clips of a low action scene, that's where the low MIN bitrate will have the highest impact, and measure the file sizes for each run. To answer your question "what motivates me to keep breaking my own record?" To make many people happy ( and piss a lot of other people :lol: ) No, really, I have met my goal. To create a video of an average of 70 minutes per 80 minute CD at 704x480 with a quality very close to a DVD. I think that's done now with the beta 704x480 template. This should fit just about any wide screen movie in two CD's. I myself, after seeing the results, dont think I'll go back to anything less. The quality of the 704x480 supercedes an SVCD in both quality and file size. An equivalent movie would take between 3 to 4 CD's in SVCD format, and even though the quality of an SVCD is very good, it leaves much to say besides the KVCD 704x480. Maybe I'll play some more with the 352x480, to try and optimize the file size/quality, and fit longer time with that template. But like you said that you've fallen in love with the new format, I'm rolling and tumbling on the floor :lol: with the 704x480's quality, and laughing at some of my friends that when they come home and see what we're watching, now they say " Oh, now you're not watching VCD's. Because that's a DVD, right" :lol: . I've done 3 movies in the last 4 days, and also my daughter, which has an eagles eye, now says " Oh that's a DVD right?". Before she would sneak behind me and say "I SEE BLOCKS", Damn, that pissed me off every time :lol: , because that meant that "It wasn't good enough". Not any more 8)

-kwag

Kwag,
in an earlier post, you said that it was possible to lower the qulity to 7.5 in the 704x480 template nd see no visual quality difference on a regular TV. I would like to say that on my 32 inch Toshiba television, I can tell the difference. I believe it is due to the fact that when you lower the qulity, there are more blocks and that I what I am seeing. But u know, your daughter is quite correct. These do look like origonal DVD's. It is amazing. Would it be possible to encode at 720x480? What would be the problem with that?

a_star62, the problem with 720x480 is compatibility playback in many DVD players, when playing MPEG-1. You can try it, but there will be no difference in quality. It's only 16 additional lines of resolution.

-kwag