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ak47 10-22-2003 02:04 PM

Finally optimized MainConcept Encoder for kvcd!
 
I did a lot of messing around with Main Concept Encoder Version 1.4 and found out (in my eyes) that the quality/compression is better than TMPGEnc 2.52 with mpeg-2. I think TMPGEnc is more designed more for Mpeg-1. Since my DVD-player only supports kvcd only at 29.97 fps, I have to use mpeg-2 to get good quality out of it. Back to MCE I did these two things at once to fix my problems so it could only be one that fixed the problem, but I havenít had a problem with either of them, first is to replace the dll files with more optimized ones, the link for the dllís are at the bottom of this page and information on it, http://forum.mainconcept.com/viewtopic.php?t=892. Second is to follow the instructions on this page http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/archive/t178276.html. And finally I found a way to copy the kvcd mpeg-2 x3 v2.0 script. First you must open MCE, open an input file, then click on mpeg type and go to SVCD, save the project without messing with it (options, save settings profile as). Then do the same with an mpeg-2 mpeg type, but save it as something you will remember like kvcd mpeg-2. Then go to documents and settings, *user name*, Application data (make sure you can read hidden folder), MCMPEGEnc, then open the file that you save as the mpeg-2 type. I am using windows XP so its most likely going to be stored differently in 98 so if you canít find the file use search and type the name you stored it as with a .mef at the end.

Code:

[MAIN]
StreamType=1
MpegType=2
VideoMode=0
AudioMode=2
Width=544
Height=480
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=544
DestHeight=480
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=544
SrcHeight=480
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=44100
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=kvcd mpeg2
[WaveAudio]
Channels=2048
Bits=758
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=0
perfLevel=16
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=2
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=1
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=0
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=4
iFramesInGOP=128
ipFrameDistance=2
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=4
constBitrate=6000000
maxBitrate=3000000
avgBitrate=0
minBitrate=0
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=18
[audio]
audioLayer=0
audioMode=0
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=4864
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=1342182150
originalBit=0
errorProtection=134222577
psychModel=0
[multiplex]
programStreamType=2
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=0
alignSequenceHeaders=0
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=0
sectorSize=2048
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=0
audioBufferSize=0
audio1BufferSize=0
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=4
transferCharacteristics=4
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=2
intraDCPrec=2
vbvBufferSize=56
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=544
displayVerticalSize=480
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=0
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=0
framePredDCTP=0
framePredDCTB=0
quantizationScaleI=1
quantizationScaleP=1
quantizationScaleB=1
alternateScanI=1
alternateScanP=1
alternateScanB=1
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=0
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=0
featureFlags=0
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=0
vertPelMovement=0
forwHorzFCodeP=4
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=40
forwVertSearchP=34
forwHorzFCodeB1=3
forwVertFCodeB1=3
forwHorzSearchB1=20
forwVertSearchB1=17
backHorzFCodeB1=3
backVertFCodeB1=3
backHorzSearchB1=20
backVertSearchB1=17
forwHorzFCodeB2=4
forwVertFCodeB2=4
forwHorzSearchB2=40
forwVertSearchB2=34
backHorzFCodeB2=3
backVertFCodeB2=3
backHorzSearchB2=20
backVertSearchB2=17
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
forwHorzFCodeB5=0
forwVertFCodeB5=0
forwHorzSearchB5=0
forwVertSearchB5=0
backHorzFCodeB5=0
backVertFCodeB5=0
backHorzSearchB5=0
backVertSearchB5=0
forwHorzFCodeB6=0
forwVertFCodeB6=0
forwHorzSearchB6=0
forwVertSearchB6=0
backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
intra_q[32]=26
intra_q[33]=27
intra_q[34]=29
intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
intra_q[37]=38
intra_q[38]=40
intra_q[39]=48
intra_q[40]=27
intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
intra_q[45]=40
intra_q[46]=48
intra_q[47]=58
intra_q[48]=29
intra_q[49]=34
intra_q[50]=37
intra_q[51]=38
intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
intra_q[55]=69
intra_q[56]=34
intra_q[57]=37
intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
inter_q[16]=20
inter_q[17]=22
inter_q[18]=24
inter_q[19]=26
inter_q[20]=28
inter_q[21]=30
inter_q[22]=32
inter_q[23]=34
inter_q[24]=22
inter_q[25]=24
inter_q[26]=26
inter_q[27]=30
inter_q[28]=32
inter_q[29]=32
inter_q[30]=34
inter_q[31]=36
inter_q[32]=24
inter_q[33]=26
inter_q[34]=28
inter_q[35]=32
inter_q[36]=34
inter_q[37]=34
inter_q[38]=36
inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
inter_q[41]=28
inter_q[42]=30
inter_q[43]=32
inter_q[44]=34
inter_q[45]=36
inter_q[46]=38
inter_q[47]=40
inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44

P.S. The main thing that is different is 2 things which I change for my settings were the GOP and the resolution, which you can change back. Also you can try 2 pass itís double the time and a tiny bit better.
P.S.S. I also need an expertís opinion on this.

ak47 10-24-2003 05:19 PM

Anyone tried this yet?
I have been testing it out, got amazing results, but it has little options when makeing the right file size.

Zyphon 10-24-2003 06:14 PM

I only use TMPGEnc at the moment as im still new to this stuff and dont want to cloud my head any further lol.

I would love to know how to fully use CCE that is suppose to be pretty fast encoder. :)

ak47 10-24-2003 06:34 PM

This might help you Zyphon
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5352

Zyphon 10-24-2003 06:55 PM

Thanks for the link ak47. :)

Markymoo 10-25-2003 05:06 AM

WOW

Way to Go AK47!

I have got fantastic results ,great quality,speed and small file size.1 pass encoding).

Please try AK47's script YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.

My avs scripts load in a charm now :wink:

Filesizes are very similar to tmpgenc, avisynth,filters(more compression) etc. Speed is big improvement, alot less cpu resources than TmpgEnc.
You have to use a very low figure CQ the lower the CQ the better the quality. 5 or lower. To use set Average Bitrate to 0 then CQ u can alter.Alot has been done using average bitrate setting and not much of the CQ feature. I realised to set the Rate Control Mode to Fast otherwise dropped Frames which is not on by default but will be set in the template. AK47's template is for NTSC 29fps.

Below is the same template i have modified to use with PAL and changed it to default 704x576. All thanks to AK47's template :D


Use this Pal Formula if your not using avisynth in Crop & Scale.

height = ((720 / Pixels_X) x Pixels_Y) / (54 / 59)

for NTSC use this:
height = ((720 / Pixels_X) x Pixels_Y) / (11 / 10)


PAL


[MAIN]
StreamType=1
MpegType=2
VideoMode=1
AudioMode=2
Width=704
Height=576
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=704
DestHeight=576
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=704
SrcHeight=576
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=44100
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=KVCDX3
[WaveAudio]
Channels=9216
Bits=5888
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=0
perfLevel=16
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=2
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=1
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=0
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=3
iFramesInGOP=90
ipFrameDistance=3
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=4
constBitrate=6000000
maxBitrate=3000000
avgBitrate=0
minBitrate=0
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=15
[audio]
audioLayer=0
audioMode=0
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=0
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=0
psychModel=0
[multiplex]
programStreamType=2
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=0
alignSequenceHeaders=0
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=0
sectorSize=2048
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=0
audioBufferSize=0
audio1BufferSize=0
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=5
transferCharacteristics=5
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=1
intraDCPrec=1
vbvBufferSize=0
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=704
displayVerticalSize=576
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=0
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=0
framePredDCTP=0
framePredDCTB=0
quantizationScaleI=1
quantizationScaleP=1
quantizationScaleB=1
alternateScanI=1
alternateScanP=1
alternateScanB=1
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=0
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=0
featureFlags=256
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=0
vertPelMovement=0
forwHorzFCodeP=4
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=50
forwVertSearchP=42
forwHorzFCodeB1=3
forwVertFCodeB1=3
forwHorzSearchB1=25
forwVertSearchB1=21
backHorzFCodeB1=3
backVertFCodeB1=3
backHorzSearchB1=25
backVertSearchB1=21
forwHorzFCodeB2=4
forwVertFCodeB2=4
forwHorzSearchB2=50
forwVertSearchB2=42
backHorzFCodeB2=3
backVertFCodeB2=3
backHorzSearchB2=25
backVertSearchB2=21
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
forwHorzFCodeB5=0
forwVertFCodeB5=0
forwHorzSearchB5=0
forwVertSearchB5=0
backHorzFCodeB5=0
backVertFCodeB5=0
backHorzSearchB5=0
backVertSearchB5=0
forwHorzFCodeB6=0
forwVertFCodeB6=0
forwHorzSearchB6=0
forwVertSearchB6=0
backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
intra_q[32]=26
intra_q[33]=27
intra_q[34]=29
intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
intra_q[37]=38
intra_q[38]=40
intra_q[39]=48
intra_q[40]=27
intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
intra_q[45]=40
intra_q[46]=48
intra_q[47]=58
intra_q[48]=29
intra_q[49]=34
intra_q[50]=37
intra_q[51]=38
intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
intra_q[55]=69
intra_q[56]=34
intra_q[57]=37
intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
inter_q[16]=20
inter_q[17]=22
inter_q[18]=24
inter_q[19]=26
inter_q[20]=28
inter_q[21]=30
inter_q[22]=32
inter_q[23]=34
inter_q[24]=22
inter_q[25]=24
inter_q[26]=26
inter_q[27]=30
inter_q[28]=32
inter_q[29]=32
inter_q[30]=34
inter_q[31]=36
inter_q[32]=24
inter_q[33]=26
inter_q[34]=28
inter_q[35]=32
inter_q[36]=34
inter_q[37]=34
inter_q[38]=36
inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
inter_q[41]=28
inter_q[42]=30
inter_q[43]=32
inter_q[44]=34
inter_q[45]=36
inter_q[46]=38
inter_q[47]=40
inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44

fozzieb 10-25-2003 06:53 AM

Does any one have a templete for kvcd - 352x288 (pal)?

ak47 10-25-2003 08:53 AM

Just load the script Markymoo made and change the resolution, also which mpeg layer are you using, because I didn't test mpeg-1 out yet. I can't truly give it a good test since my DVD-player will not play mpeg-1 right.

Zyphon 10-25-2003 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ak47
Just load the script Markymoo made and change the resolution, also which mpeg layer are you using, because I didn't test mpeg-1 out yet. I can't truly give it a good test since my DVD-player will not play mpeg-1 right.

I might give Markymoo's PAL script a go and do some Mpeg-1 tests as this prog sounds impressive especially if its faster than TMPGEncoder, thats the one thing about TMPG that annoyes me is its slow encode speeds. :(

fozzieb 10-25-2003 11:00 AM

I'm using mpeg-1, ill give it a go and see what it does


i'll let you know

fozzieb 10-25-2003 11:10 AM

OK, here is the templete as i have it:

[MAIN]
StreamType=1
MpegType=1
VideoMode=1
AudioMode=2
Width=352
Height=288
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=352
DestHeight=288
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=352
SrcHeight=288
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=44100
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=KVCD
[WaveAudio]
Channels=9216
Bits=5888
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=0
perfLevel=16
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=2
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=1
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=0
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=3
iFramesInGOP=128
ipFrameDistance=2
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=4
constBitrate=6000000
maxBitrate=3000000
avgBitrate=0
minBitrate=0
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=15
[audio]
audioLayer=0
audioMode=0
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=0
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=0
psychModel=0
[multiplex]
programStreamType=2
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=0
alignSequenceHeaders=0
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=0
sectorSize=2048
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=0
audioBufferSize=0
audio1BufferSize=0
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=5
transferCharacteristics=5
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=1
intraDCPrec=1
vbvBufferSize=0
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=704
displayVerticalSize=576
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=0
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=0
framePredDCTP=0
framePredDCTB=0
quantizationScaleI=1
quantizationScaleP=1
quantizationScaleB=1
alternateScanI=1
alternateScanP=1
alternateScanB=1
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=0
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=0
featureFlags=256
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
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when ever i choose the templete (named kvcd) in changes to VCD or Mpeg2, Any reason for this?

( noob alert :D )

ak47 10-25-2003 12:16 PM

When you change stuff like CQ rate the mpeg type will go to it original format, but all you stats should stay the same, so when it does this check if the maxtrixes/gop, and so on, are all the same as the template you created, if not tell me were you change or save the templates.

Markymoo 10-25-2003 01:32 PM

Mainconcept loves to change back to its original settings especially when you use a new input so tick "use last profile as default" once you have your new kvcd template setup. If you change any of the settings yes it will revert back to default mpeg2 but keep the kvcd settings which you can then save as a new profile. I have noticed from changing script from ntsc to pal if all settings are not compliant it deletes the profile you have saved. I had a fun time not!. Mainconcept works better at the higher bitrate and there is a limit 1800 bitrate with mpeg-1.

Zyphon 10-25-2003 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markymoo
Mainconcept loves to change back to its original settings especially when you use a new input so tick "use last profile as default" once you have your new kvcd template setup. If you change any of the settings yes it will revert back to mpeg2. I have noticed from changing script from ntsc to pal if all settings are not compliant it deletes the script. I had a fun time not!. Mainconcept works better at the higher bitrate and there is a limit 1800 bitrate with mpeg-1.

Hi Markymoo i completely understand what you are saying about the quality differences between Mpeg1 and Mpeg2 but the only question i have is will the Mpeg1 results be as good as TMPGEncoder Mpeg1 results?

Thanks.

Markymoo 10-25-2003 02:27 PM

I have compared Mainconcept Mpeg-1 with TmpgEnc and TmpgEnc was superior in the past but not yet tried with this new profile/template.

If you want to use all your kvcd matrice settings with Mpeg-1 you need to edit your newly created profile kvcd.mef file as you cant edit the matrices in the program then replace MpegType from 2 to 0 and also change the line maxBitrate further down for Mpeg-1 compliancy. Any other settings you change then save this as a new profile. You can edit your mef file and reload the new settings back in all the time mainconcept is running reselect the "Mpeg Type" KVCD. Changing VideoMode from 1 to 0 will change it to NTSC. In the Pal template Gop is setup for KDVD 15 or with AK47's Ntsc template set to 18. If you using for KVCD or KVCD make sure you change this to 24 either for pal or ntsc.


[MAIN]
MpegType=0

VideoMode=1

maxBitrate=3000000

closedGOPs=15


Whenever you change the settings you have to create a new profile so you might end up with quite a few profiles till you get the one your happy with. If all is working right you should have the "quantinization kvcd matrices" ticked and loaded every time in your new kvcd profile.

Markymoo 10-25-2003 02:39 PM

I quoted you have to have max bitrate of 1800 with mpeg-1 strictly not true. I'm referring to the smaller templates and what works more in a DVD box. Players can't handle a high bitrate with Mpeg-1.

Zyphon 10-25-2003 04:17 PM

Thanks for the info Markymoo :)

Markymoo 10-25-2003 04:55 PM

I have just used a CQ of 1 and very pleased with results seems similar to CQ of 90 in TmpgEnc.

2.8ghz 512 ddr400,533bus

100m film takes approx 100m encoding

filesize 1.57gig

CQ of 4 was 640mb

I think i use a CQ of 2-3 that way i can just fit 4 kdvd on 1 dvd maintaining quality :P

Markymoo 10-25-2003 05:26 PM

I just like to know AK47 if you experimented alot with the I Frames 128 and PFrames of 2 and how you came up with those figures. Are these the optimum figures. In TmpgEnc its 1 IFrame/Gop.

Zyphon 10-25-2003 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markymoo
I have just used a CQ of 1 and very pleased with results seems similar to CQ of 90 in TmpgEnc.

2.8ghz 512 ddr400,533bus

100m film takes approx 100m encoding

filesize 1.57gig

CQ of 4 was 640mb

I think i use a CQ of 2-3 that way i can just fit 4 kdvd on 1 dvd maintaining quality :P

Wow sounds impressive. :) :wink:


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