KVCD: 104min High Action Movie - Which Resolution Template?

[Bombero0437]

ok, I have a 104 min high action dvd rip, i use avisynth 208 and clean source script. I need to do this film in mpg2 because it is the only way kvcd will play on my player it will do 352x240/288, 480x480/576, 544x480/576 only...any help please...

[rds_correia]

Geez,
What help would you be looking for?
What is your problem?

[incredible]

If already doing mpeg2 encodings , try 352x480(576) mpeg2, as this is CVD Standard and should be supported also in your SVCD DVD Player.

Second, please post your script. So we can see if it got optimal settings, for example overscan borders etc.

Whats your mp2 audio bitrate? You should at least use 128kbit or if possible (depends on source quality) 112kbit.

BTW switch to the newest AVS 2.5x as it comes with much more (an supported) filters. So you also can use MA which does give you a little extra quality kick when doing low bitrate encodings.

[Bombero0437]

here is my script, the movie is charlies angels:full throttle and 352x480/576 does not work on my player already tried it ...i am trying to get it at 480x480 and look good, right now at 480x480 it looks very blocky, and at 352x240 it gets blurry as hell...i use the avisynth 208 because i understand it much better, i tried to use 2.5 but it was too complicated for me to figure out the scripts and values......sorry.

i have been using this script for a ton of dvd rips and works great, except for this movie , i dont get it.....what i need is a script with 2.08 avisynth and this movie to get it working..


thanx....Bombero













#================================================= =====#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.0.0 (beta3) =- #
#================================================= =====#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\MPEG2Dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\BlockBuster.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\UnFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\MovieStacker\Filters\LegalClip.dll")

Mpeg2Source("C:\DVD-DivX-XviD MOvieZ\Charlies Angels - Full Throttle\C angelz + Pink Video.d2v")
LegalClip()
UnFilter(50, 50)
GripCrop(352, 240, overscan=1)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
TemporalSmoother(1, 2)
MergeChroma(blur(1.5)
MergeLuma(blur(0.2))
BlockBuster(method="noise", detail_max=7, seed=1)
GripBorders()
LegalClip()

[Boulder]

Just use the optimal script that Kwag has posted in the Optimal scripts forum. No need to figure out anything, really. Just replace the MPEG2Source line with yours and choose the resolution you wish to use.

[Bombero0437]

yeah, i tried that...accually that is the script i use all the time, i just altered it this time trying to make something work here...the optimal script always does well for me, but not with this movie, and i dont know why...i think because there is so much action and it is full screen, but i adjusted it to be wide screen and it still looks bad (very blocky and a ton of artifacts)..I just did xXx (with Vin deisel) and it came out great plenty of action and 1:59 min long, i do not understand what the deal is with this one...

[rds_correia]

Hi bombero,
Why don't you move to avisynth 2.53 and to Kwags MA script instead?
I think it would give you better results with your source.
C ya.

[incredible]

*OffTopic*

2.53 to me is even more comfortable .... just one point of a lot is that we can just let out the lot of "LoadPlugin.."'s at the Beginning of our Scripts.
AVS 2.0x Plugin's can still be used (if really needed) by using the LoadPlugInEx.dll

[rds_correia]

Yep,
Completely agree with Incredible.
Anyway I wonder about all the "Loadplugin()" that we don't need with >=2.53 anymore...
I am currently using a temp directory that has all the plugins I could possibly need, but I just
copy from the temp directory to the avisynth\plugins directory the plugins I will need for each project.
That's because when I have an avisynth\plugins directory full of plugins, tmpgenc is just a tiny bit
slower than with an avisynth\plugins directory with just the ones I actually need...
Could someone check if I am guessing correctly

[Dialhot]

The process time to open 100 files on the disc, read them, and load the object table that is defined in the top of the dll is far less than an eye blink.
And tmpgenc opens avisynth only once. So the speed lost is surely insignifiant.

[Bombero0437]

ok, you guys have convinced me to give it a try again, ill let you know if it works or if i broke down and went back to 2.08.......

[Bombero0437]

ok, got it to work this time at 480x480 (352x480) does not work it gave me a CQ 50.83. and still looks pretty bad, and at 352x240 it gave CQ 85.11, higher quality but still a bad blurry picture.....

here it is

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\GripFit_YV12.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\asharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\unfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\undot.dll")



Mpeg2Source("C:\DVD-DivX-XviD MOvieZ\Charlies Angels - Full Throttle\C angelz + Pink Video.d2v")
#
undot()
Limiter()
asharp(1, 4)
GripCrop(352, 240, overscan=2)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
STMedianFilter(3, 3, 1, 1 )
MergeChroma(blur(1.5))
MergeLuma(blur(0.1))
#
#

## Linear Motion Adaptive Filtering ##
#
# ( Portions from AviSynth's manual )
# This will apply variable temporalsoften
# and variable blur.
# Both filters are active at all times, and work inversely proportional to the
# activity, measured from current frame to next frame.

ScriptClip(" nf = YDifferenceToNext()" +chr(13)+ "unfilter( -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)), -(fmin(round(nf)*2, 100)) ).TemporalSoften( fmin( round(2/nf), 6), round(1/nf) , round(3/nf) , 1, 1) ")

#
#
#

GripBorders()
#LetterBox( Your_Values_Here ) # Depends on situation. Use MovieStacker!
Limiter()

#
#
## Functions ###

function fmin( int f1, int f2) {
return ( f1<f2 ) ? f1 : f2
}

#
####

[Dialhot]

Are you doing the fullscreen version ?

EDIT : I just read that you already mentioned you do fullscreen. Okay. Can't you do the widescreen ? I do not understand what you meant by "but i adjusted it to be wide screen". What did you do exactly ?

If yes, it's possible that for this movie there in no choice but using VCD resolution and try to find a script that does not blur the image too much for your eyes.

An other thing : do you encode in 23.976 or 29.97 ?

Note: you can remove the "loadplugin" lines now, you do not need them anymore
Note2: be carefull when using overscan=2 with 352*240 else the border will be too large, and probably shown on the TV.

[Bombero0437]

hello dialhot,

i always do widescreen, this dvd is full screen (23fps) but i cropped it down to be wide screen and with a overscan of 3 it works fine for my TV, as of right now i am trying out some of your scripts and the results are much better, ill be done testing here in a bit and ill let you know how it came out....here is the script i just tried CQ 51 but so far the best image yet....any other changes i can do to this???

oh, and i dropped the audio to 112 from 128 maybe 96?


#================================================= =====#
# -= AviSynth script by MovieStacker v2.0.0 (beta3) =- #
#================================================= =====#

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\GripFit_YV12.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\STMedianFilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\asharp.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\unfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\undot.dll")



Mpeg2Source("C:\DVD-DivX-XviD MOvieZ\Charlies Angels - Full Throttle\C angelz + Pink Video.d2v")


BlindPP()
GripCrop(480, 480, overscan=3, source_anamorphic=true)
GripSize(resizer="BicubicResize")
Undot()
Deen("a2d",2,10,12)
TemporalSoften(2,2,7,15,2)
DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0)
Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =8,variance=0.3,seed=5823)
GripBorders()

[dazedconfused]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombero0437

i always do widescreen, this dvd is full screen (23fps) but i cropped it down to be wide screen...

That's not a very good idea. You should realize that your final "widescreen" result here is definetly not going to be the same as if you had actually used the true widescreen dvd version. By cropping the height of a fullscreen movie, you will probably be cutting off parts of peoples' heads or other important movie information during some scenes. And I don't know about you, but personally, I already find it annoying enough when I have to watch an edited fullscreen version of a movie with the left and right sides chopped off (especially when I know that a true widescreen version also exists!). Cutting off even more movie information from the top and bottom would make it even worse, IMO. I tried doing this once on a very long movie that I wanted to make fit onto 1 disc at a higher resolution, and I regretted it later.

If you can't seem to make your movie fit onto 1 disc @ 480x at an acceptable CQ level, then you could split it onto 2 discs or just use 352x240 resolution with some extra sharpening (and remember to test the results on your TV since it will look better than on your PC monitor...also try both CQ and CQ_VBR at 352x240 to see which one you prefer). If you still want to encode @480x, then you might want to consider dropping the Pink video or at least encoding it @ 352x240. Afterall, the actual movie itself is what is truly important. If 90 or 99minute CDRs work in your burner and dvd player, they also could help.

But the best thing you could probably do is sell/trade your full screen dvd version and get the widescreen version instead, so you won't have to watch your Frankensteined home-cropped fullscreen version ....and then boycott full screen DVDs in the future (unless of course there is no 16:9 version).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombero0437

....any other changes i can do to this (script)???

Well, if you really want to use the script you posted above, you could try using DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,.75,.5,0) for a small compression gain and see if you notice any visual differences, but honestly that seems to be the least of your worries here Bombero. You also probably shouldn't need to use blockbuster() at 480x resolution with a clean dvd source like yours...you will probably only lose valuable compression space by doing this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombero0437

oh, and i dropped the audio to 112 from 128 maybe 96?

Personally, I find 96kbps audio unacceptable. I always try to use 128kbps unless I'm desperate for space (then I'll use 112)....but if 96kbps works on your player without creating any problems and it is acceptable to your ears, then certainly you could use it.

Good luck,
-d&c

[Bombero0437]

im still working on a script that will get the CQ up a bit more, when I said crop the picture I meant by overscan of 3 cuts it down and does not effect the way its seen on my TV except it appears close to widescreen, plus it allows more bitrate to the accual video, yeah and 112 is the lowest i like to go also with the sound, 96 is just to fake sounding. so far kwags DVD script with a few small changes is the ticket for this rip...and dialhot's version 2 script is working great with my Xvid/DivX conversions.....


thanx guys for all the input and talking me into using avisynth 2.5, by the way I am using version 2.54 and my mpeg2dec3 is version 1.10...the picture while encoding is a bit on the bright side, i tried to add LegalClip() to my script but it said that it was an unrecognized command? dont know what the final output will be bright or normal, i guess i could adjust this in TMPGENc with "simple color correction" if it is a problem....

[Dialhot]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombero0437

thanx guys for all the input and talking me into using avisynth 2.5, by the way I am using version 2.54 and my mpeg2dec3 is version 1.10...the picture while encoding is a bit on the bright side, i tried to add LegalClip() to my script but it said that it was an unrecognized command?

New avisynth, new doc to read
"Limiter()" is an internal command in avs2.5 equivalent to olf 2.0x legalclip plugin.

Quote:

dont know what the final output will be bright or normal, i guess i could adjust this in TMPGENc with "simple color correction" if it is a problem....

If you have ATI YV12 codec installed, remove it. It was the source of the problem for me.

[Bombero0437]

thanx dialhot, Limiter() in the script did the trick and I do not have the ATI codec installed..

[rds_correia]

Hi,
That's because you don't have LegalClip() on avisynth 2.53 anymore.
Now we have Limiter() but if you're using tmpgenc there is a way you don't need Limiter().
To do so just push Setting > Quantization matrix and make sure you have "Output YUV as basic..." unchecked.
C ya

EDIT: Sorry didn't notice the second page on this thread...

[Bombero0437]

OK, finished..!


I used dialhot's V2 script @ 352x240 / 300nim-2500max and chose anamorphic =true to get the widescreen effect overscan-2 and audio@112 kbps. the CQ is 77.40 the best yet and the visual quality is pretty nice, i can live with this one the way it is.....thanx to all that helped on this matter.....more to come im sure.


Bombero