Quantcast FFmpeg: FFvfw Settings to Create KDVDs and KVCDs - Page 4 - digitalFAQ.com Forums [Archives]
  #61  
02-06-2004, 04:45 PM
Krassi Krassi is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 390
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Encoder Master
Now I've installed the right ffvfw but I can't save a video. VDUB is in progress but the results are around 20kb and not playable what i've done wrong?
Hi EM, you have to set up an output file (not the avi). See Kwag's screenshots. After VDubMod has completed you demux your file with TMPGEnc.
Hope this helps. If not, please post what your doing step-by-step.
Reply With Quote
Someday, 12:01 PM
admin's Avatar
Site Staff / Ad Manager
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 42
Thanks: ∞
Thanked 42 Times in 42 Posts
  #62  
02-06-2004, 04:52 PM
Encoder Master Encoder Master is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: (^_^)
Posts: 504
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have done all in the screens of kwag but he doesn't describe the output option. How I have to set it?
Reply With Quote
  #63  
02-06-2004, 04:56 PM
Krassi Krassi is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 390
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Encoder Master
I have done all in the screens of kwag but he doesn't describe the output option. How I have to set it?
You have to set it in the codec/compression settings(Output).
Reply With Quote
  #64  
02-06-2004, 04:58 PM
Encoder Master Encoder Master is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: (^_^)
Posts: 504
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'll give it a try.
Reply With Quote
  #65  
02-06-2004, 05:27 PM
Encoder Master Encoder Master is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: (^_^)
Posts: 504
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
YES, thx, It runs, now!
Reply With Quote
  #66  
02-06-2004, 06:40 PM
vhelp vhelp is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,009
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
I didn't mentioned but I have that on my 2 PCs and the second one didn't have any codec installed before.

BTW, I dropped for a while this codec, results are too poor comparing to the efforts and I don't have the time for the moment.
I'm sorry to hear that. believe me you, I understabd trials w/ ffvfw

About that sawtooth/zigzag Q you are having problems with. I was always
under the impression that you want to have the Q be as close to the sources
bitrate path as possible I must be pretty domb then. Because at the
moment, I can't seem to stop my Q from being straight (flat-line) looking.
I mean, it's not curved or zigzag (like I assumed its suppose to be) .

I'll post a pic shortly of what I'm on about K ?

As to the emotion.mpg clip. It's a pretty high-quality source file.
1920 x 1088 resolution. Its pretty blocky in various areas, no thanks to the
limited bandwitdh for such a large resolution. But, you won't notice it when
you encode it anyways It's all gone!! Must be an dvd2avi glitch when
you preview the emotion.mpg clip.

By the way, this clip is Film based. That is, it's Telecined. I used my IVTC
method on this, and it came out great. So, don't worry about Interlace.
Just use your best IVTC method to week it out and get a great looking
encode from this short, test clip, though 38mb in size. I can't remember
how long it took, but I think it took like 1hour to D/L on my 56k dial-up..
not to get that mixed w/ Dialhot :P

But, I do have a quation on this clip though. Was it Fullscreen, or was it a
widescreen. I really couldn't tell because it's my first time dealing w/ such
a large resolution source file. However, I think I prefered my tipicle TMPG
encode quality better than my ffvfw encode. I'm still in the greay
area w/ encoding w/ ffvfw . I think that kwag's ffvfw encode came out
much better than my ffvfw attempts. But, I suspect that it may be a "version"
difference. My version I'm using is Sept 27 2003 13:29:54 and I did
notice some items not present when comparing kwag's screen shot over on
the sticky, page 1.

-vhelp
Reply With Quote
  #67  
02-09-2004, 10:39 AM
rds_correia rds_correia is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chinese Democracy starts now!
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot
I definitly have a problem with this codec

All settings set as on the snapshots above (except for max quantizer in macrobloc that I can't change and is set to 31 and not 2 like on the snap).

My Q curve it like a saw blade ! Values vary constantly from 0 to 2. The picture is very bad compared to the same sample made with CCE (and the file size is exactly the same) : tiny mosquito noise around edges and lot blocks in dark scenes (even with noise in ffvfw or in the script).

BTW, the sample was 53sec for a 90 min movie that is 1% sample. The file size is 16 Mb. So the final movie will be 1.6 GB without audio. ONLY TWO 90 MIN MOVIE ON THE DVD !

I drop this codec since the "Q curve" shape is not solved.

If someone have an idea...
Remeber Dialhot's problems about the Q curve
Some of you may remember that I had that problem also, though I always found the codec was providing better quality than tmpg.
Ok, now that most of you dropped the codec and since I was in trouble with something else and I had to reinstall XP (I was promissing this for months...) Guess what Now I have a PERFECT Q line and I will do some testing just to check if the bitrate peaks above 9800Kb.
Cheers
__________________
Rui
Reply With Quote
  #68  
02-09-2004, 10:54 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by rds_correia
[I had to reinstall XP (I was promissing this for months...) Guess what Now I have a PERFECT Q line and I will do some testing just to check if the bitrate peaks above 9800Kb.
Cheers
That confirm that there is a big issue with this codec and untill we find it, it does not have any means to share the results of the tests.
Reply With Quote
  #69  
02-09-2004, 11:17 AM
rds_correia rds_correia is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chinese Democracy starts now!
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot
That confirm that there is a big issue with this codec and untill we find it, it does not have any means to share the results of the tests.
Agree with you Phil, since now I ONLY leveled with anyone else that was doing ok with the Q curve.
As I said I'll run my own bitrate peaks tests to see if it's ok to use it for KDVD because if it's higher than 9800kb...
Just to share with you that I should have other problems that were preventing me to experience what other posted here such as Kwag or Inc.
Cheers
__________________
Rui
Reply With Quote
  #70  
02-09-2004, 07:45 PM
vhelp vhelp is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,009
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
ok. Let me see if I get this straight..

A wavy Q line is bad, but a flat-line Q is GOOD ??

If flat-line "is GOOD", then just where should this line be ??

* below bitrate values ??
* above bitrate values ??
* dead center of bitrate values ??

Assuming your given encode went like this, with following bitrates:
* 900 - - 7800, and Average bitrate @ 3200 (our dead center)

For what it's worth, my Q's are always flat-line, using DVD rip as my source!
And, I always thought that this type of Q was bad, and that the Q should
always be wavy and matching that of the bitrate wave.. as if riding the
wave

I don't know if I understand correctly this "Q" thing, but a little help would
be appreciated :P
Thanks,
-vhelp
Reply With Quote
  #71  
02-09-2004, 08:45 PM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by vhelp
A wavy Q line is bad, but a flat-line Q is GOOD ??

If flat-line "is GOOD", then just where should this line be ??
No it's not THAT the problem.
The problem here is that everyone is trying to use ffvfw and give results to all. BUT... I'm damn sure that there is "something'" external to the codec that modify deeply the results. And as long as we don't find it, there is no way to compare test done by everyone !

When some have flat curve and others don't, you are comparing citrus and orange. For sure they won't have the same taste
Reply With Quote
  #72  
02-10-2004, 06:01 AM
staigerpaip staigerpaip is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 31
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I agree with you phil! Did some tests on 2 pc's With exactly the same codec configuration both on WinXP. Same ffvfw builds, same source (even from the same network drive en exactly the same ffvfw config. With this the sample on pc1 was 21.628KB, on pc 2 18.544KB! Avg. Bitrate of the pc1 file is about 200 higher than pc2 file.... with same q value.

When I encode the sample again and again on the same pc, the size and bitrate stay (approximatly) the same.

I really think there is an external factor influencing this codec, also becease if I encode this sample with tmpgenc on both pc's, the filesize is (approximatly) the same.

Tinus
Reply With Quote
  #73  
02-10-2004, 10:04 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by staigerpaip
I really think there is an external factor influencing this codec, also becease if I encode this sample with tmpgenc on both pc's, the filesize is (approximatly) the same.
Thank you You understand now why I decided to let this codec on the side for a while.

Still no news about Milan ?
Reply With Quote
  #74  
02-11-2004, 12:22 PM
bilu bilu is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 341
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot
Quote:
Originally Posted by staigerpaip
I really think there is an external factor influencing this codec, also becease if I encode this sample with tmpgenc on both pc's, the filesize is (approximatly) the same.
Thank you You understand now why I decided to let this codec on the side for a while.
FFVFW and Mencoder are all based on FFMPEG's code, which still has its problems

That's why I started this thread about the FFMPEG development status, I think we should still focus our attention here:

FFMPEG status on MPEG-2 encoding
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8835


Bilu
Reply With Quote
  #75  
02-11-2004, 01:40 PM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilu
FFVFW and Mencoder are all based on FFMPEG's code, which still has its problems
Hi Bilu,

I agree with that, but FFMPEG has some serious issues on the stream, which render the muxing useless.
That apparently has been fixed in ffvfw, because I can mux every ffmpeg produced stream, without any underruns or overrruns.
Not so with ffmpeg

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #76  
02-11-2004, 05:12 PM
bilu bilu is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 341
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well, you got me interested on how much FFMPEG bugs are already corrected in FFVFW...

A good place to look:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ffdshow/ffvfw/

Bilu
Reply With Quote
  #77  
02-11-2004, 06:42 PM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by bilu
Yes, I've been all over the CVS repository, and I bring up a question: The most recent modifications to the CVS files, were ~4 months ago. So who did the subsequent builds we're using
Where are the sources for ffvfw that we got here: http://www.ligh.de/software/mirrors.phtml

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #78  
02-11-2004, 07:00 PM
rds_correia rds_correia is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chinese Democracy starts now!
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hey Kwag,
I could be mistaken but i think it was Dano that told us that the latest builds available were produced by a guy by the nick of Athos.
Rings a bell
Maybe he moved on with Milan's work since he hasn't been around for months.
But then maybe i am only mistaken.
Cheers
__________________
Rui
Reply With Quote
  #79  
02-12-2004, 04:53 AM
bilu bilu is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 341
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Have a look here for Athos builds:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42710

Bilu
Reply With Quote
  #80  
03-28-2004, 05:26 PM
Fl0ppy Fl0ppy is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 12
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I m trying the ffvfw in virtualdubmod 1.4.5.1 and Virtualdub-mpeg2, i opne the avs /avi file but the final file it's an avi!!!
How i can save with vdub-mod-mpeg2 in m2v or m1v?
Thanks
Reply With Quote
Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Any easy tutorials to create KVCDs? dinesh Video Encoding and Conversion 3 11-29-2005 02:12 AM
Settings in RB-OPT 0.17 Beta for my KDVDs? Zyphon Video Encoding and Conversion 30 07-12-2005 03:18 AM
CCE settings to create KDVDs? leo Video Encoding and Conversion 53 03-19-2004 09:01 PM
FFMPEG: My really good experience and settings with FFVFW marcellus Video Encoding and Conversion 37 02-09-2004 07:09 AM
FFMPEG: Do ffvfw and mencoder/ffmpeg give the same results? Razorblade2000 Video Encoding and Conversion 4 02-06-2004 04:23 PM

Thread Tools



 
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:38 AM  —  vBulletin Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd