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02-27-2004, 09:15 PM
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I just encoded a 23.976 fps frame-based/progressive Divx/Xvid video to MPEG-2 using CCE 2.67. I assume I should add progressive flags but what about the sequence? Should it be progressive or interlace? I've heard conflicting answers. I'm gonna use pulldown.exe.
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You better stop using CCE as your only reason to do taht is the speed !
With tmpgenc you will have FAR BETTER QUALITY and the pulldown will be done automatically.
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02-27-2004, 10:43 PM
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But the speed of CCE is 5 times of that of TMPGEnc, it's too good to let go. It would be cool if there is a guide for making KDVDs using Mainconcept, it's as fast as CCE. TMPGEnc is just way too slow, 6 hours of KDVD footage will take 30 hours to encode, it's unbearable.
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02-27-2004, 10:45 PM
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BTW, will using the option -drop_frame true reduce jerky pictures?
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02-28-2004, 02:27 AM
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The drop frame option is only to sync subs when authoring with maestro/scenarist.
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@ rs008f

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But the speed of CCE is 5 times of that of TMPGEnc
2times yes but not more .... if yes, you did set something wrong in TmpgEnc
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It's more than 2 times for MPEG-2 encoding. TMPGEnc is extremely slow in MPEG-2 encoding but pretty fast in MPEG-1. CCE encodes MPEG-2 close to real-time. Last I check TMPGEnc takes 6 hours to encode a 1.5 hr anime video from Divx to MPEG-2.
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02-28-2004, 12:30 PM
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It's more than 2 times for MPEG-2 encoding. TMPGEnc is extremely slow in MPEG-2 encoding but pretty fast in MPEG-1.
That's a urban legend. One more ! Tmpegenc is as fast (or slow) in mpeg2 than in mpeg1. Except perhaps when you have a interlaced job to do like you have here.

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CCE encodes MPEG-2 close to real-time. Last I check TMPGEnc takes 6 hours to encode a 1.5 hr anime video from Divx to MPEG-2.
Times is NOT A MATTER.
Sorry but personally I won't lose any second to help someone to do a crappy thing. Tmpegenc is far better, it can do everything you need for your current project, we give you hints on how you can do that with tmpeng, so now you have no reason to not use it. So if you want to do a decent KVCD, use tmpgenc.

Moreover, talking about a commercial product that cost $1950 where there are other solution far better and almost free, that's not a good thing for KVCD.net.
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02-28-2004, 02:10 PM
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You are right about one thing, I can speed up TMPGEnc close to real-time when I select "lowest quality" under motion search precision but at highest quality it's 6x of real-time.
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It would be cool if there is a guide for making KDVDs using Mainconcept, it's as fast as CCE. TMPGEnc is just way too slow, 6 hours of KDVD footage will take 30 hours to encode, it's unbearable.
See here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9307
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CCE encodes MPEG-2 close to real-time. Last I check TMPGEnc takes 6 hours to encode a 1.5 hr anime video from Divx to MPEG-2.
Times is NOT A MATTER.
For some people, time YES IS A MATTER. I think you need to understand that.
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Sorry but personally I won't lose any second...
Finally YES IS A MATTER for you.

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if you want to do a decent KVCD, use tmpgenc.
I think that rs008f want KDVD.
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It would be cool if there is a guide for making KDVDs...
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Moreover, talking about a commercial product that cost $1950 where there are other solution far better and almost free, that's not a good thing for KVCD.net.
Many people has the money for that. Can't they visit KVCD.net, and learn with us?
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02-28-2004, 03:54 PM
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under motion search precision but at highest quality it's 6x of real-time.

Never use higest ! Use "Motion estimate" when you use the MA script (for DVD) and "High" when you do an avi. For sure with "higest" things are very slow
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02-28-2004, 04:05 PM
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Finally YES IS A MATTER for you.
The matter for me is while I am on the forum helping people to have the best of their encode, I do not do mine.
It's not a problem for me for me if my time is really used to achieve THE BEST. But CCE is NOT the best when talking about KVCD. That's why I tell that time is not a matter.
If you want to encode fast (but uggly), use "fastest" mode. Or do VCD.

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I think that rs008f want KDVD.
I fear also but if so, my answer will be in the same order : NEVER DO A DVD FROM AN XVID.

I know that Vmesquita did a tool for that (DIKO) and I don't want to flame anyone's work. But I won't put my agreement on this. Never. That's only a personnal choice for sure. That's why I do not answer to any question related to Diko.

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Many people has the money for that. Can't they visit KVCD.net, and learn with us?
People that can buy CCE can buy DVDs and surely never do anything from an Xvid source

Note also that currently, I use myself CCE for my KDVD. But I use it to back up my DVDs, nothing else. And I will switch to an other encoder as soon as possible (memcoder seems to be a good candidate).
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Please, do a little effort to use the forum correctly ! WHy do you ask this question here insteed of into the thread where Prodater64 did his guide ?
It's hard for people to follow your requests if you do not post them in the correct place.
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"NEVER DO A DVD FROM AN XVID"

He may be like me, NEVER burning cds anymore, DVD-Rs are cheaper than CD-Rs sizewise, not to mention having 4-5 movies (avi source) on a disc is an advantage.

Well he can still do MPEG1 if his player supports it.

Also I like CCE quality better for MPEG2, I only use MPEG2 for >2200 avg bitrate though.
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02-28-2004, 06:08 PM
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All my AVIs are either Divx or Xvid, and I need to convert them to KDVD regardless.
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02-28-2004, 06:22 PM
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Lagoon,

do you encode Divx/Xvid to KDVD using CCE? If so what are you CCE settings?
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Never use higest ! Use "Motion estimate" when you use the MA script (for DVD) and "High" when you do an avi. For sure with "higest" things are very slow
Just curious. What does "MA" stands for? I know it's a form of optimal script.
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