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Thanks! I tried that. Now, I just converted a 40 min avi using this technique. Since it is avi, I used max rate 6000, average and min rate 0, and CQ =3. Now, the resulting mpg was 1.4 Gb! I thought the file should be much smaller. Does this sound normal??
CQ3 is to high. You will obtain good quality and more normal size with CQ5, CQ6 or CQ7.
Also using Dialhot V4 filter is useful when you want to save space.
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Thanks Prodater, I have tried it with CQ=7 and my 42 minute avi clip is now 1Gb. I can fit 4 episodes onto one DVD.

Using your technique on this thread, and without any other filters as you mentioned in your last message, how many minutes of video am I supposed to be able to fit onto one DVD? I will be able to fit ~ 170 minutes. (4 x 42 minute episodes). Is that a good result, do you think?

Thank you.
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Thanks Prodater, I have tried it with CQ=7 and my 42 minute avi clip is now 1Gb. I can fit 4 episodes onto one DVD.

Using your technique on this thread, and without any other filters as you mentioned in your last message, how many minutes of video am I supposed to be able to fit onto one DVD? I will be able to fit ~ 170 minutes. (4 x 42 minute episodes). Is that a good result, do you think?

Thank you.
That is a very bad result.

Use this template as I teached in first post:

Code:
[MAIN]
StreamType=1
MpegType=2
VideoMode=1
AudioMode=2
Width=528
Height=288
DestStartX=0
DestStartY=0
DestWidth=528
DestHeight=288
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=528
SrcHeight=288
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=48000
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=MCE like MNC
[WaveAudio]
Channels=2048
Bits=758
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=1
perfLevel=23
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=2
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=1
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=1
aspectRatio=2
frameRateCode=3
iFramesInGOP=15
ipFrameDistance=3
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=7
constBitrate=6000000
maxBitrate=9000000
avgBitrate=0
minBitrate=0
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=1
[audio]
audioLayer=2
audioMode=0
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=11
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=1
psychModel=2
[multiplex]
programStreamType=2
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=0
alignSequenceHeaders=0
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=3
userMuxRate=0
sectorSize=2048
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=0
audioBufferSize=0
audio1BufferSize=0
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=5
transferCharacteristics=5
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=1
intraDCPrec=1
vbvBufferSize=0
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=528
displayVerticalSize=288
progressiveSequence=0
progressiveFrame=1
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=1
intraVLCFormatP=1
intraVLCFormatB=1
framePredDCTI=1
framePredDCTP=1
framePredDCTB=1
quantizationScaleI=0
quantizationScaleP=0
quantizationScaleB=0
alternateScanI=0
alternateScanP=0
alternateScanB=0
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=0
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=3
featureFlags=544
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=0
vertPelMovement=0
forwHorzFCodeP=5
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=78
forwVertSearchP=42
forwHorzFCodeB1=3
forwVertFCodeB1=2
forwHorzSearchB1=26
forwVertSearchB1=14
backHorzFCodeB1=4
backVertFCodeB1=3
backHorzSearchB1=52
backVertSearchB1=28
forwHorzFCodeB2=4
forwVertFCodeB2=3
forwHorzSearchB2=52
forwVertSearchB2=28
backHorzFCodeB2=3
backVertFCodeB2=2
backHorzSearchB2=26
backVertSearchB2=14
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
forwHorzFCodeB5=0
forwVertFCodeB5=0
forwHorzSearchB5=0
forwVertSearchB5=0
backHorzFCodeB5=0
backVertFCodeB5=0
backHorzSearchB5=0
backVertSearchB5=0
forwHorzFCodeB6=0
forwVertFCodeB6=0
forwHorzSearchB6=0
forwVertSearchB6=0
backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
intra_q[32]=26
intra_q[33]=27
intra_q[34]=29
intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
intra_q[37]=38
intra_q[38]=40
intra_q[39]=48
intra_q[40]=27
intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
intra_q[45]=40
intra_q[46]=48
intra_q[47]=58
intra_q[48]=29
intra_q[49]=34
intra_q[50]=37
intra_q[51]=38
intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
intra_q[55]=69
intra_q[56]=34
intra_q[57]=37
intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
inter_q[16]=20
inter_q[17]=22
inter_q[18]=24
inter_q[19]=26
inter_q[20]=28
inter_q[21]=30
inter_q[22]=32
inter_q[23]=34
inter_q[24]=22
inter_q[25]=24
inter_q[26]=26
inter_q[27]=30
inter_q[28]=32
inter_q[29]=32
inter_q[30]=34
inter_q[31]=36
inter_q[32]=24
inter_q[33]=26
inter_q[34]=28
inter_q[35]=32
inter_q[36]=34
inter_q[37]=34
inter_q[38]=36
inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
inter_q[41]=28
inter_q[42]=30
inter_q[43]=32
inter_q[44]=34
inter_q[45]=36
inter_q[46]=38
inter_q[47]=40
inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44
The idea is to codify in MPEG-2 but with some settings changed (like Mencoder encode), but standard compliance yet.
1. - Choice your target res and do correct resize settings.
2. - To codify the audio one to 48000 Hertz for DVD and 44100 Hertz for SKVCD.
3. - In the Multiplexer eyelash settings, down to the left, the Mux rate to 32766. That will avoid the seemed errors of buffer and during the codified one without another lateral effect.
4. - Change another settings related to your target (KDVD/SKVCD), BUT NOT UNUSUAL SETTINGS.

Do another test and tell me your results.
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Select your Video/Audio sources - OK
Select mpeg type as i said in guide - DVD
Select video mode to ntsc - OK
Select stream type to program video and audio.
Select details and change resolution if necesary. NTSC=720X480 used.
Select audio frequency and mode - mpeg layer 2, 224 Kbps bitrate
Select advanced. Video settings. Follow guide. 6000 0 0 CQ7 as you suggested
Select advanced video settings
Select (menu) options - save settings as profile. (with this you can load same settings (your settings) every time.
Search in C:\Documents and Settings\[user name]\Application Data\MCMPEGEnc your saved file, open it with notepad, and replace following lines (they are the last ones into file): DONE.

I then used Mux rate = 10000. (Haven't tried 32766... will that make all the difference???)

That is all I done. File size: 0.98 Gb.. What else should I try? Start from scratch again?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DTW
I then used Mux rate = 10000. (Haven't tried 32766... will that make all the difference???)
No.

Another method. It will give you a mpeg1 but you can burn it into a DVD with TMPG DVD Author.

Code:
[MAIN]
StreamType=4
MpegType=0
VideoMode=1
AudioMode=2
Width=720
Height=576
DestStartX=16
DestStartY=99
DestWidth=688
DestHeight=378
SrcStartX=0
SrcStartY=0
SrcWidth=608
SrcHeight=320
FlipVertical=0
SampleRate=48000
LineFiltering=0
Deinterlacing=0
Passes=1
ID=mep-profile
Name=KVCD2DVD
[WaveAudio]
Channels=56320
Bits=28416
[basic]
settingsVersion=2
online=0
perfLevel=16
motionSearchType=23
mpegType=0
deinterlacing_mode=0
relaxed_standards=1
[video]
videoPulldownFlag=0
rateControlMode=1
aspectRatio=8
frameRateCode=3
iFramesInGOP=12
ipFrameDistance=3
bitrateFlag=0
mquantValue=5
constBitrate=1700000
maxBitrate=1856000
avgBitrate=0
minBitrate=0
timeCode0=0
dropFrameTC=0
constrParms=0
closedGOPs=0
[audio]
audioLayer=2
audioMode=1
deEmphasis=0
audioBitrate=8
privateBit=0
copyrightBit=0
originalBit=0
errorProtection=0
psychModel=2
[multiplex]
programStreamType=0
vbrMultiplex=1
padVCDAudio=0
writeProgramEndCode=1
muxSVCDScanOffsets=0
alignSequenceHeaders=0
usePrivateStream2=0
useComputedBitrate=0
frameTimestamps=0
muxPulldownFlag=0
userMuxRate=81915
sectorSize=2048
packetsPerPack=1
videoBufferSize=0
audioBufferSize=0
audio1BufferSize=0
sectorDelay=0
videoDelay=180
audioDelay=180
audio1Delay=180
alwaysWriteSysHeader=0
maxFileSize=0
muxStartTime=0
muxStopTime=0
resetClocks=1
setBrokenLink=1
writeEndCodes=1
[advVideo]
profile=4
level=8
chromaFormat=1
colorPrimaries=5
transferCharacteristics=5
matrixCoefficients=5
videoFormat=1
intraDCPrec=0
vbvBufferSize=0
forceVBVDelay=1
displayHorizontalSize=720
displayVerticalSize=576
progressiveSequence=1
progressiveFrame=1
fieldPictures=0
topFieldFirst=0
repeatFirstField=0
intraVLCFormatI=0
intraVLCFormatP=0
intraVLCFormatB=0
framePredDCTI=1
framePredDCTP=1
framePredDCTB=1
quantizationScaleI=0
quantizationScaleP=0
quantizationScaleB=0
alternateScanI=0
alternateScanP=0
alternateScanB=0
writeSequenceDisplayExt=0
writeSequenceEveryGOP=1
writeSequenceEndCode=1
embedSVCDUserBlocks=0
writePictureDisplayExt=0
frameCentreHorizontalOffset=0
frameCentreVerticalOffset=0
qtNoiseSensitivity=8
featureFlags=32
reactionParameter=0
initialAverageActivity=0
initialIComplexity=0
initialPComplexity=0
initialBComplexity=0
initialIFullness=0
initialPFullness=0
initialBFullness=0
minFramePercentage=25
padFramePercentage=0
autoVectorLengths=0
horzPelMovement=0
vertPelMovement=0
forwHorzFCodeP=4
forwVertFCodeP=4
forwHorzSearchP=63
forwVertSearchP=60
forwHorzFCodeB1=3
forwVertFCodeB1=3
forwHorzSearchB1=25
forwVertSearchB1=20
backHorzFCodeB1=4
backVertFCodeB1=4
backHorzSearchB1=50
backVertSearchB1=40
forwHorzFCodeB2=4
forwVertFCodeB2=4
forwHorzSearchB2=50
forwVertSearchB2=40
backHorzFCodeB2=3
backVertFCodeB2=3
backHorzSearchB2=25
backVertSearchB2=20
forwHorzFCodeB3=0
forwVertFCodeB3=0
forwHorzSearchB3=0
forwVertSearchB3=0
backHorzFCodeB3=0
backVertFCodeB3=0
backHorzSearchB3=0
backVertSearchB3=0
forwHorzFCodeB4=0
forwVertFCodeB4=0
forwHorzSearchB4=0
forwVertSearchB4=0
backHorzFCodeB4=0
backVertFCodeB4=0
backHorzSearchB4=0
backVertSearchB4=0
forwHorzFCodeB5=0
forwVertFCodeB5=0
forwHorzSearchB5=0
forwVertSearchB5=0
backHorzFCodeB5=0
backVertFCodeB5=0
backHorzSearchB5=0
backVertSearchB5=0
forwHorzFCodeB6=0
forwVertFCodeB6=0
forwHorzSearchB6=0
forwVertSearchB6=0
backHorzFCodeB6=0
backVertFCodeB6=0
backHorzSearchB6=0
backVertSearchB6=0
forwHorzFCodeB7=0
forwVertFCodeB7=0
forwHorzSearchB7=0
forwVertSearchB7=0
backHorzFCodeB7=0
backVertFCodeB7=0
backHorzSearchB7=0
backVertSearchB7=0
ignore_frame_interval=0
user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26
intra_q[5]=27
intra_q[6]=29
intra_q[7]=34
intra_q[8]=9
intra_q[9]=10
intra_q[10]=14
intra_q[11]=26
intra_q[12]=27
intra_q[13]=29
intra_q[14]=34
intra_q[15]=37
intra_q[16]=12
intra_q[17]=14
intra_q[18]=18
intra_q[19]=27
intra_q[20]=29
intra_q[21]=34
intra_q[22]=37
intra_q[23]=38
intra_q[24]=22
intra_q[25]=26
intra_q[26]=27
intra_q[27]=31
intra_q[28]=36
intra_q[29]=37
intra_q[30]=38
intra_q[31]=40
intra_q[32]=26
intra_q[33]=27
intra_q[34]=29
intra_q[35]=36
intra_q[36]=39
intra_q[37]=38
intra_q[38]=40
intra_q[39]=48
intra_q[40]=27
intra_q[41]=29
intra_q[42]=34
intra_q[43]=37
intra_q[44]=38
intra_q[45]=40
intra_q[46]=48
intra_q[47]=58
intra_q[48]=29
intra_q[49]=34
intra_q[50]=37
intra_q[51]=38
intra_q[52]=40
intra_q[53]=48
intra_q[54]=58
intra_q[55]=69
intra_q[56]=34
intra_q[57]=37
intra_q[58]=38
intra_q[59]=40
intra_q[60]=48
intra_q[61]=58
intra_q[62]=69
intra_q[63]=79
user_niquant=1
inter_q[0]=16
inter_q[1]=18
inter_q[2]=20
inter_q[3]=22
inter_q[4]=24
inter_q[5]=26
inter_q[6]=28
inter_q[7]=30
inter_q[8]=18
inter_q[9]=20
inter_q[10]=22
inter_q[11]=24
inter_q[12]=26
inter_q[13]=28
inter_q[14]=30
inter_q[15]=32
inter_q[16]=20
inter_q[17]=22
inter_q[18]=24
inter_q[19]=26
inter_q[20]=28
inter_q[21]=30
inter_q[22]=32
inter_q[23]=34
inter_q[24]=22
inter_q[25]=24
inter_q[26]=26
inter_q[27]=30
inter_q[28]=32
inter_q[29]=32
inter_q[30]=34
inter_q[31]=36
inter_q[32]=24
inter_q[33]=26
inter_q[34]=28
inter_q[35]=32
inter_q[36]=34
inter_q[37]=34
inter_q[38]=36
inter_q[39]=38
inter_q[40]=26
inter_q[41]=28
inter_q[42]=30
inter_q[43]=32
inter_q[44]=34
inter_q[45]=36
inter_q[46]=38
inter_q[47]=40
inter_q[48]=28
inter_q[49]=30
inter_q[50]=32
inter_q[51]=34
inter_q[52]=36
inter_q[53]=38
inter_q[54]=42
inter_q[55]=42
inter_q[56]=30
inter_q[57]=32
inter_q[58]=34
inter_q[59]=36
inter_q[60]=38
inter_q[61]=40
inter_q[62]=42
inter_q[63]=44
Res 720*480 or 704*480.
Details->Search Method = 11 y Search Range = 21
I frames 12
Auto GOP = VCSD
Closed GOP interval = 1
CQ5
NR = 8
Motion Search = 11
Enable "Do half-pel search"
Disable "Motion search pixel movement"
Enable User quant matrices

Even in mpeg1 non standarar resolution, TMPGEnc DVD Author will burn it as DVD without any problem.
You can reduce final size by selecting a resolution of 352*240 (DVD standard), but quality will not be the same.
Go ahead and tell me your results.
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Ok, so I made the template into mef file. I opened it, then selected 'NTSC' in Video Mode. MPEG type became 'mpeg 1'. Then, details:
Res 720*480. Audio Rate = 48khz.
Details->Search Method = 11 y Search Range = 21
I frames 12, P frames 3
Auto GOP = VCSD
Closed GOP interval = 1
Bitrate type Variable Bitrate, Max 1856kbps, Average and Min 0
CQ5
NR = 8
Motion Search = 11
Enable "Do half-pel search"
Disable "Motion search pixel movement"
VBV buffer size 0 (I did not change this, or any other settings now)
Enable User quant matrices. But when I view the quant matrices, the matrix has changed! So I saved as profile, then edited the .mef file with Notepad, and replaced the matrix values, ie from the following point onwards:

user_iquant=1
intra_q[0]=8
intra_q[1]=9
intra_q[2]=12
intra_q[3]=22
intra_q[4]=26 etc etc.


I converted my 42 minute avi file and got 720MB. My 1Gb file seems slightly better quality,
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