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Unfortunally, if anyone knew how this version works, the templates would have been already updated.
You are the first one that report to have a speed gain by using it. Beside that, all people agree that this version is just a (paying) GUI above the old engine.
Actually the performance boost is documented on the Pegasys site: you simply need a P4 with Prescott core so the encode engine will be able to take advantage of both HT and SSE3, but I'll admit in some cases the gain is not so relevant.

What about the AC3 plug-in which TMPGE 2.5 doesn't support? Is it crap compared to other tools (I know it can re-encode to 2 channels only)? If so, please name a couple of good alternatives (even beter if freeware/open source).
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To my limited knowledge the step which seems to do the "K trick" on the http://home.pages.at/xvcd/tmpgenc_3_0_xpress.htm is loading the provided quatntization matrix (kvcd.mat) which appears to be the exact copy of the KVCD "Notch" Quantization Matrix by Softronex, so [here comes the dumb question] since all the other parameters (output stream format, video size in pixels, audio settings, etc.) can be manually changed to meet the specs of all the different TMPGEnc templates Optimized with KVCD parameters is simply loading the right matrix it?
Flame away if it's the case everybody...
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What about the AC3 plug-in which TMPGE 2.5 doesn't support? Is it crap compared to other tools
Oh yes it is !

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(I know it can re-encode to 2 channels only)?
And THAT is why is crappy. I really don't understand who wants to do 2.0 AC3 when (2.0) MP2 already exists as free in the encoder

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If so, please name a couple of good alternatives (even beter if freeware/open source).
I use ac3enc (with besweet) even if some reports often that it has bugs.

Note: you're right for the SSE3 features; I forgot that.
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09-02-2004, 10:21 AM
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I really don't understand who wants to do 2.0 AC3 when (2.0) MP2 already exists as free in the encoder
Absolutely, but doesn't the AC3 plug-in also enable you to decode from AC3 with TMPGE 3 XP (and eventually encode to 2.0 MP2)?

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I use ac3enc (with besweet) even if some reports often that it has bugs.
Will have a look into that tool, pardon my noobiness but what's "Besweet"?

Also, and more importantly, what about my previous post? Am I on the right track or simply babbling?
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09-02-2004, 10:31 AM
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Absolutely, but doesn't the AC3 plug-in also enable you to decode from AC3 with TMPGE 3 XP (and eventually encode to 2.0 MP2)?
Oh. Probably. I don' have any info about the decoding part.
But does it really matters ? Are you often using ac3 sources directly in tmpgenc ? Maybe avi with ac3 sound but I don't think you use directly VOBS as input.
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Will have a look into that tool, pardon my noobiness but what's "Besweet"?
Okay, so let's take it from the begining then
Audio engine of tmpgenc is CRAP ! We advice to use external tool to encode the audio that are Headac3che or Besweet. I prefer the second one.
Look at there : http://dspguru.doom9.org

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Also, and more importantly, what about my previosu post? Am I on the right track or simply babbling?
You are right.
Doing a KVCD is simply implementig the official specs, whaetver the mean. And the specs are there :
http://www.kvcd.net/portal/articles.php?lng=en&pg=20

As soon as you have the matrix, you did 90% of the way.
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09-03-2004, 02:33 AM
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Hi,
How can tmpgenc xpress works properly without installing windows media player 9 as i dont like it ?.

I have formatted and I reinstall windows xp pro. I have installed tmpgenc xpress, when i tried to launch the program, it says me "unable tu use windows media 9 techonlogies" So I have downloaded the windows media
9 series codecs, but without success.
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Major,
from the requiriment page:
"Precondition
Windows Media Player 9
DirectX 8 or above"
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/produc...operation.html

maybe only the codecs "alone" don't work.
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09-03-2004, 03:56 AM
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Thanks Jorel,

I have read the requirements in pegasys-inc, although I want to know the way that tmpgenc xpress works without installing windows media player 9.

I explain you. before I formatted, i had tmpgenc plus 2.52, and also tmpgenc xpress, and i have only windows media player 8, the xpress has worked perfectly (i never saw the message) until i have formatted. So i must do something before inconsciently that i dont remember now.

That is i am wondering the way because it worked me perfectly before without installing windows media 9

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09-03-2004, 05:42 AM
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Are you often using ac3 sources directly in tmpgenc ? Maybe avi with ac3 sound
Exactly (DivX and XviD in AVI containers).
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Audio engine of tmpgenc is CRAP ! We advice to use external tool to encode the audio that are Headac3che or Besweet. I prefer the second one.
Look at there : http://dspguru.doom9.org
I've browsed some Doom9 guides, thanks for the tip, for now I'll work a bit with HeadAC3he (has development stopped?).

Regarding the KVCD templates I'm allocating some time to the matter this Sudnay, will see what I can come up with.
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09-03-2004, 07:58 AM
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[...]for now I'll work a bit with HeadAC3he (has development stopped?).
Browsed the HeadAC3he forum/thread and got the latest build, experimenting now.
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09-03-2004, 01:04 PM
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"Formerly known as Windows Media Player 9 Codecs Pack, this package can be used as an alternative to automatically downloading Windows Media Codecs, or to correct problems experienced with previously-downloaded codecs.

This package is for network administrators who want to deliver support for the latest Windows Media Audio and Video codecs for enterprise computers running Windows Media Player 7.1, Windows Media Player for Windows XP, Windows Media Player 9 Series, and Windows Media Player 10.
Contains the following codecs:
- Windows Media Audio 9
- Windows Media Screen 9
- Windows Media Audio 9 Voice
- Windows Media Video 7, 8, and 9
- Microsoft MPEG-4 version 3
- Microsoft MPEG-4 version 1 and 2
- ISO MPEG-4 version 1 and 1.1

download:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo.../WM9Codecs.exe

and download DirectX 9.0c End-User Runtime (choose your language):
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...8-d418cdeac197

install and try again!
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09-03-2004, 04:51 PM
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Regarding the KVCD templates I'm allocating some time to the matter this Sudnay, will see what I can come up with.
This is driving you crazy, isn't it?
DARcode, we do like having templates for hard things, of course.
But it seems that templates for tmpgenc are not so important, even for tmpgenc v2.5xx.
You see, as Phil already told you, with the Notch matrix in a file/template you have 90% work done.
Why bother with the remaining 10%?
I mean look at the KVCD specs: it's not that hard is it?
Nevertheless I won't get in your way: it's always positive when somebody commits himself to a challenging task
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09-04-2004, 05:33 AM
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This is driving you crazy, isn't it?
DARcode, we do like having templates for hard things, of course.
But it seems that templates for tmpgenc are not so important, even for tmpgenc v2.5xx.
You see, as Phil already told you, with the Notch matrix in a file/template you have 90% work done.
Why bother with the remaining 10%?
I mean look at the KVCD specs: it's not that hard is it?
Nevertheless I won't get in your way: it's always positive when somebody commits himself to a challenging task
Cheers
You do have a point, but what I'm actually after is the closest thing to an all-in-one tool, I know very well specific applications tweaked towards specific goals produce better quality results, but I have a limited amount of time to dedicate to video transcoding and editing, so TMPGE has so far been enough for me.
Also, the sources I need to manipulate are seldom DVD's and it's not stuff I want to keep for long, so I don't need extremely high quality results (for that I use XviD + 6-channel AC3, as it's supported by my stand-alone DVD player).
Templates are a big help and time savers to me since I'm ignorant regarding the most appropriate resolution, bitrate and fps settings one should choose according to the source, is there anywhere I could get pointers for that in here (posted some noob questions in the Video Conversion forum)?
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Re: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2223

My browsers (Firefox 0.9.3 and MSIE 6.0 SP1) won't display the pictures in the first post, is it just me?
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Re: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2223

My browsers (Firefox 0.9.3 and MSIE 6.0 SP1) won't display the pictures in the first post, is it just me?
no,here the same with IE and/pr firefox.
if someone have the pictures can host here: http://www.imageshack.com/
(i'm searching if i backup that pictures)
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Kwag, i have that pictures, if you want it only send me a signal!

about templates:
if i remember,in portuguese forum someone "transpose" templates from 2.x to 3.0.....maybe Alex_matrix, FlavioMetal or Ginoboy....don't remember who did....deserve a search...try it....was a big post!
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about templates:
if i remember,in portuguese forum someone "transpose" templates from 2.x to 3.0.....maybe Alex_matrix, FlavioMetal or Ginoboy....don't remember who did....deserve a search...try it....was a big post!
By running any search on the Portuguese forum I get "General Error" .
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Hi guys,
That's maybe because the of the forum jumping from provider to provider.
I'm sure Karl has to do some work on the links.
Let's wait for him to show up.
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Hi Rui,

Sorry for the FU
I forgot to merge the kvcd.net directories into the kvcd.net site, when I moved providers.
I'm doing that right now

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Hi Men,

First I would like to thank jorel for the idea, i have applied it but without success, so i had to donwload the media player 9

I was trying to do a kvcd and i have seen (avi file reader in the clip info) when i opened the script, then i have disabled the plug-in avi file reader in order to open it with the plug-in readavs, and my question is:

There is a diference between the plug-in readavs and avi file reader?

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Hi Rui,

Sorry for the FU
I forgot to merge the kvcd.net directories into the kvcd.net site, when I moved providers.
I'm doing that right now

Thanks,
-kwag
Everyhing's working perfect now, you're doing an awesome job , some hiccups are inevitable with a big move like that, thanks for your time and effort.
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