Combing effect converting DV video to DVD?
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I have a KDVD template with audio part and those without audio as well for TMPGenc but there's a problem every time I try to make a KDVD from my home videos. I use PAL standard since I am from Europe. I use Pinnacle studio 9 for making and cutting a movie and leaving it in original DV format(full size and uncompressed). Then I use TMPGenc to make a PAL KDVD but I always get the combed video. Like interlaced video problems or whatever it is. Whenever there is movement in the video, there is the "combing" effect. On the cut and finished DV file or on the very original DV, there is no such problem. So something happens during conversion to KDVD that makes the video interlaced or deinterlaced or whatever it is that makes it annoyingly combed. Otherwise the quality, sound and size would be great but the darn combing is ruining my day. No mater which of "interlace" or "non interlaced" in the TMPGenc I use. Any clues as to how to make KDVD that will not have this problem? Anyone successfuly turning DV from digital camcorder into KDVDs using TMPGenc? I read some older posts but nothing that would realy answer my question as to how to do this in practise was found. I would really appreciate some help. Thanks! |
Re: I have "combing" effect when turning DV video
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No mater which of "interlace" or "non interlaced" in the TMPGenc I use.[quote] 1/ never use internal deinterlacer of tmpgenc. If you need one, use an avisynth script 2/ did you try to encode in mpeg2 interlaced ? |
Hi,
basically I have the uncompressed DV video(mainconcept 2.04 codec) with PCM sound and several KDVD templates I got from P2P programs and this site. For instance I have a template called KDVD Full D1 PAL that it says creates a MPEG2file and this template also has sound included. Video bitrate is set at 5000max, at 25fps, (720*576), 37.8 Mb MAX/min and sound at 48.000hz ,192 kbps, 2ch. I like the fact that this template has sound taken care. Otherwise the same problem happens with a template without sound-the usual full D1 KDVD template so it is not this template that's causing the problem. When I import the DV (Mainconcept 2.04 codec) video after selecting this template, I have in the TMPGenc the following options as default: -interlaced -bottom field first(field B) -4:3 625 PAL (704*576) If I use this I get the combed video. If I put it on TV via TV out it's not completely horrible but visible in fast movements and annoying. I also tried changing the -interlaced to -non interlace but I get the same result :? I have MPEGenc version 2.58.44.152 Is there a simple way within the TMPGenc settings to take care of this? Or a special template? Avisynth? I don't know how to use this yet since I just download the templates from the net and I'm a noob. Is it likely that I could fix this using Avisynth? Otherwise I also get the same problems making SKVCD-obviously MPEG2 is problematic for me. If I create MPEG1 there's no problem with combing but I guess combing is not a problem with MPEG1 anyway? So in short. How can I-a noob with these things make MPEG2 that will not have this problem? I'm sure there are plenty guys out there trying to put their home DVs into KDVD and it would really be helpful if this issue was solved or a template made for it... I appreciate the time you're taking to help everyone and me. |
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-I found it on DC++
-I use te template downloaded from this site and it's the same. I set the interlace or non interlace in the source. Can it be set in the destination? This would probably fix it if it was possible to set for the destination. -resolution stays the same. It says at the source 704*576 I will also take a look at how avisynth works. Is there a speciddic thing you know of in sdvance I should do with avisynth specifficaly for this problem? I now remembered that I also set once to non interlace in the expert settings-for MPEG which I assume is for destination? I will also try that again. |
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Hey. For some strange reason, the roblem stopped after a while and running some other apps like watching a divx movie,,,. and I also uograded to latest version of TMPGenc... Anyway it just started working OK. And sometimes you just need to reboot the machine to get it to it's senses-yes even XPs,.. And now it works flawlessly! KDVDs, SKVCDs,.. with sound in one single move with that template. Sound is of good quality too. So it's realy a good template. I can send them to you if you want to have a llook at them and maybe post them here as well. It's realy great for noobs like me and many people are just that. :D The quality is great. About 40 minutes of highest quality video with sound took 1.3 Gigabytes. So basically it's about 2 hours of top quality with sound on one DVD. Even half D1 is still great. Anyways, anyone interested in these templates can mail me at: kmecka@primorska.com Thanks again for all your tips and the time. |
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We usually put ~10 hours on one DVD at half D-1, and about ~6+ hours at 704x480 on one DVD. So 2 hours on one DVD is really very low, and that's NOT KDVD :!: -kwag |
Whoa! 8O Most guys I know are thrilled with prospects of 2 hours.
Where exactly can I download the appropriate template from this site? I mean for noobs. Like the kind you just throw into TMPGenc? Or is such user friendlyness dispised ammong you pros? :) Do you guys have those on this site? It would help "slow" folks like me a lot. Which template would be best for DV? 6 hours of full D1 sounds very nice :twisted: At the same time-to cut things short: Obciously your templates would require separate sound editing. I take the Wav out with Virtualdub and do what with it? Which program and to which format do I put it in? Do I attach it to video in TMPGenc during conversion to KDVD or afterwards in the end? OK I tried again your templates on a 217 Mb uncompressed sample (1 munite approx). If I use your KDVD template it is 34.1 Mb large(I only had to shange settings in TMPG to 4:3 display because in default it was 16:9). If I use the template with sound it makes 4:3 by default(and in general other video settings including bitrate are same as your template) and I get 36.9Mb but with sound. Anyway: this is the template object TMPEGConfigFile MPEG.Text = '' MPEG.WizardCategoryName = '' MPEG.WizardSubFormatName = '' MPEG.WizardCaption = '' MPEG.WizardDescription = '' MPEG.WizardTargetMedia = MPEGConfig_TargetMediaType_Unknown MPEG.WizardAutoCalcVideoBitRate = False MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoSize = False MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoSize = <> MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.EnableVideoGOP = False MPEG.WizardAutoChooseList.VideoGOP = <> MPEG.OutputStreamType = MPEG_OutputStreamType_System_VideoAudio MPEG.OutputStreamType_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.StreamType = MPEGVideoEncoder_StreamType_MPEG2 MPEG.Video.StreamType_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.Width = 720 MPEG.Video.Width_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.Height = 576 MPEG.Video.Height_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.YUVFormat = 1 MPEG.Video.YUVFormat_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.DC_prec = 2 MPEG.Video.DC_prec_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_VideoEncodeMode_Interlace MPEG.Video.VideoEncodeMode_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.FrameRate = 3 MPEG.Video.FrameRate_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.AspectRatio = 2 MPEG.Video.AspectRatio_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.RateControlMode = MPEGVideoEncoder_RateControlMode_CQ MPEG.Video.RateControlMode_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate = 0 MPEG.Video.MaxBitRate_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.MinBitRate = 0 MPEG.Video.MinBitRate_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate = 0 MPEG.Video.MinAvgBitRate_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.CBR_BitRate = 7000000 MPEG.Video.VBR_MultipassVBRAlgorithm = MPEGVideoEncoder_MultipassVBRAlgorithm_MultipassCQ MPEG.Video.VBR_AvgBitRate = 7000000 MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxBitRate = 8000000 MPEG.Video.VBR_MinBitRate = 2000000 MPEG.Video.VBR_MaxPassCount = 2 MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_P = 0 MPEG.Video.VBR_Quality_B = 20 MPEG.Video.VBR_EnablePadding = False MPEG.Video.MVBR_MaxBitRate = 8000000 MPEG.Video.MVBR_MinBitRate = 2000000 MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_P = 0 MPEG.Video.MVBR_Quality_B = 20 MPEG.Video.MVBR_EnablePadding = False MPEG.Video.AVBR_Quality = 50 MPEG.Video.AVBR_MaxBitRate = 8000000 MPEG.Video.AVBR_MinBitRate = 2000000 MPEG.Video.AVBR_EnablePadding = False MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality = 70 MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_P = 0 MPEG.Video.CQ_Quality_B = 20 MPEG.Video.CQ_MaxBitRate = 5000000 MPEG.Video.CQ_MinBitRate = 300000 MPEG.Video.CQ_EnablePadding = True MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize = 229376 MPEG.Video.VBVBufferSize_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval = 1 MPEG.Video.GOP_SeqHeaderInterval_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount = 1 MPEG.Video.GOP_I_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount = 5823 MPEG.Video.GOP_P_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount = 3 MPEG.Video.GOP_B_FrameCount_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit = True MPEG.Video.GOP_BitStreamForEdit_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount = 15 MPEG.Video.GOP_MaxFrameCount_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.Profile = 4 MPEG.Video.Profile_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.Level = 8 MPEG.Video.Level_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.VideoFormat = 1 MPEG.Video.VideoFormat_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth = 0 MPEG.Video.DisplayWidth_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight = 0 MPEG.Video.DisplayHeight_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Video.MotionSearchSpeed = MPEGVideoEncoder_MotionSearchSpeed_Normal MPEG.Video.MotionSearch_AlwaysHalfPel = True MPEG.Video.UseFloatDCT = True MPEG.Video.QuantizeMode = True MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_Intra = 0 MPEG.Video.QuantizeModeVal_NonIntra = 0 MPEG.Video.YUVBasicYCbCr = True MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_Intra = { 081013161A1B1D221013161A1B1D222513161A1B1D22252616 1A1B1F24252628 1A1B1D24272628301B1D22252628303A1D22252628303A4522 252628303A454F} MPEG.Video.QuantizeMatrix_NonIntra = { 10121416181A1C1E121416181A1C1E201416181A1C1E202216 181A1E20202224 181A1C20222224261A1C1E20222426281C1E202224262A2A1E 20222426282A2C} MPEG.Audio.StreamType = MPEGAudioEncoder_StreamType_MPEG1_Layer2 MPEG.Audio.StreamType_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency = 48000 MPEG.Audio.SamplingFrequency_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode = 0 MPEG.Audio.ChannelMode_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.CantUseMono = False MPEG.Audio.BitRate = 192000 MPEG.Audio.BitRate_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC = False MPEG.Audio.CalcCRC_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag = False MPEG.Audio.OriginalFlag_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag = False MPEG.Audio.CopyrightFlag_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag = False MPEG.Audio.PrivateFlag_ReadOnly = False MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType = 0 MPEG.Audio.EmphasisType_ReadOnly = False MPEG.System.StreamType = MPEGSystemEncoder_StreamType_MPEG2_Program MPEG.System.StreamType_ReadOnly = False MPEG.System.EnableCommentText = False MPEG.System.CommentText = '' end |
By the way, I can also paste the NTSC templates with sound and also for KVCD and SKVCD if you like.
Pleaso comment this template and if this one can be improved to get more video on. Anyway, what's the best thing to do :?: |
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Read on your DVD-R box : 4.7GB or 120 min. |
I only "overflew" this Thread and a suggestion is:
DV Home Videos are always "Bottom Filed first" and interlaced. So in TmpgEnc you have to choose "interlaced" and bottom filed first" and encoding at mpeg2 as its the only one which supports interlaced encoding. And ... You wont get good results if encoding interlaced sources in an interlaced mode when using very low avg bitartes are used, even in case of kDVD Templates. As interlaced encodings generally need MUCH MORE Bitrate.. cause of fieldbased encoding. If you dont respect that ... fast moving parts/Scenes will end up block very fast! ;-) My recommandeation: Use avisynth on your source and choose a good deinterlacer like DgBob() etc. and set it to fieldorder Bottomfield first when it performs the deinterlacing job! Then you can encode at lower bitrates and gain from kVCD templates. |
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Note : to reach our limits you will need to use a script. Without that the limit is more 6 hours in 1/2 DVD and 4 hours in full-frame. Quote:
Audio processing is possible with tmpgenc but the quality is way below. But if you want to activate it, you can load the template and simply chose "ES(audio+video)" insteed of "ES(video)" in the main window of tmpgenc. And of course you have to provide an audio source. Quote:
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Do you know the name of the guy that pretend that THIS is KDVD template ? |
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:lol: Well in the state MVCD Templates are now! : ... slow at M.estim. is choosen and NO soften Blocknoise! Related to the used Matrix above ... I cant give a statement as it is shown as HEX Values. So that one above "could" be the first MVCD Template (which I dont know), but I shurely assume that this is a "selfmade" stunt Template from someone else. A gain from Rocs and my templates is for example that they only need standard Gops to archive same good quality (1-4-2 PAL , 1-5-2 NTSC), that was one purpose for archiving max. compatibility with sensible "totally in love with standard" Standalone Players. |
Thanks for your detailed answer.
I don't have a clue about who the author is nor how old it is. And since I'm a noob I didn't have a clue about this being a usual DVD.. :x It's a good thing that I asked you guys to help. Maybe this even is a MVCD since the Rar file I downloaded also had some MVCD stuff in it,.. Do you think you could edit a template on your site also for DVs? Or recommend to me what to do? Also for Avisynth. What would be the recommendations for home DV? For the best quality/size ratio? Or has someone already made a good script for this? About authoring. What's the best program for this? I will compress video and sound separately and feed ithe authoring video and sound separately. |
You may want to check out the optimal script for DVD sources in the 'Optimal scripts' forum. Also see SansGrip's Avisynth basics guide.
For deinterlacing, I suggest KernelDeint(order=0,threshold=5,sharp=true) as the source is probably pure interlaced video. Place this line right after the line which loads your source. You'll find all the plugins you need at http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterprises . You'll also need Avisynth 2.5x, which can be found at http://www.avisynth.org . |
How is this script ? http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....4081d4ed1bb00b
And what exactly do I need to do? Di I put that entire text into a text file and rename it's ending to avs? Fo I open it with TMPGenc? I', kinda confused but I think I will understand this soon. I downloaded all the filters and extracted them to plugin folder of avisynth 2.08. I'm kinda stuck now not knowihng how to realy proceed. Can someone tell me what exactly to paste (for instance from the script in the link above) into a text file? Also is that even for PAL? If not, what needs to be changed and where.. :?: |
I suggest you check some of the guides on the forum. They'll walk you through the process and you'll probably learn a lot better that way.
The most important thing is to ditch AVS2.08 and download 2.5x (2.54 is the latest official version). Remove all the 2.0x plugins from your plugins folder and download the 2.5-compatible ones. |
OK thanks.
By the way, in the meantime I am trying KWAGs template for KDVDs from this site and I added the audio part from the template I had but changed the bitrate to 128from 192 to see what happens and will compare then. I have now created the following script - # Gener Sourcefile="D:\New Folder\Untitled.avi" avisource(Sourcefile) SmoothDeinterlace(tff=false, doublerate=true, blend=false) converttoyv12() Blockbuster(method="noise",detail_min=1,detail_max =3,variance=0.1,seed=1) Convolution3D(1, 6, 12, 6, 8, 2.8, 0) GripCrop(544, 480, overscan=2, source_anamorphic=false) GripSize(resizer="LanczosResize") Undot() TemporalSoften(2,7,7,3,2) DCTFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,0.5,0) What do I do in Virtualdub with this script? Or anywhere for that matter? |
That's Dialhot's optimal AVI script v4, or at least a part of it.
Search this board for the download link for GripFit (includes GripCrop,GripSize and GripBorders) ..sorry, can't be more specific as I don't remember where it is. I suppose incredible's got it on his webspace. BlindPP is included in MPEG2DEC3.dll. I suggest you replace the SmoothDeinterlacer line with the KernelDeint line I gave earlier. It's faster and should give a sharper picture as well, it's also recommended as the best one of pure interlaced video content. |
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