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Dialhot 10-26-2004 06:24 AM

Finally I undestood what is the problem of portuguese forum
 
Hi all,

Jorel seems to still have problems in portuguese forum (http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=40) and I finally figured out where the problem is :
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KVCD Fórum em Português
Portuguese language *ONLY*
Moderators GFR, muaddib, jorel, labomba, rds_correia, vmesquita, Dialhot, Alex_Matrix, ginoboy
#1 Does this forum needs so much moderators ?
#2 Do Alex_Matrix and Ginoboy really need to be granted with moderator privileges ?
#3 If they need to be moderators, why these two guys aren't on moderator's forum ?

I'm saying that because part of the problem comes from disagreement between the way the forum has to be managed and obviously Jorel and the two last guys don't have the same point of view at all ! Unfortunally, all the discussion we had last week never came to Alex_matrix and Ginoboy eyes.

:arrow: I suggest to let only jorel, rds_correia, vmesquita and myself as moderator of portuguese forum (and perhaps GFR and muaddib).

jorel 10-26-2004 07:03 AM

first: Thank you Phil!

second GFR is busy in school and send me pms showing his reaons,
is a cool guy.
muaddib is an magnific person and mod ....for me is a "semi-god"!

:oops: i'm busy now and have to go....i will back in minutes.
thanks in advance for you fellowship! :D

rds_correia 10-26-2004 07:56 AM

Agreed Phil & Jorel.
In that case let's use this thread to discuss our ideas and see which measures should be taken to try to improve the forum "readability".
I'm all ears guys ;-)
Cheers

jorel 10-26-2004 08:42 AM

Corriea is helping me a lot and is starting to feel in "his skin" how hard are the boys there. yesterday/today a user MR.Maker had 4 threads closed(one re opened) and send me a big pm offending me and i psot that pm in the forum.

alone i can't solve the comportamental problems of some members,Correia is helping in the last days and know the problems.
we pass all day long solving problems and i can't read anything outside portuguese forum cos just a few minutes after i log out , came like rain lots of confusions......take a look in that gyu: the open a new thread to discuss about legality and i "xeque-mate" doing his post as sticky and with an idea....i just ask to the boy and i'm still waiting his answers:
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Originally Posted by jorel
após ler a vontade do dono do forum você ainda acha conveniente frequentar o forum e não seguir as orientações que ele recomenda

means: after read the will of the forums owner, do you still think convenient attend the forum and don't follow the orientations that he recommend?
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Originally Posted by jorel
você acha correto e também educado questionar esta posição que ele tomou para o forum que ele sustenta

means: do you think too that is correct and educated argue the position of the adiministrator in the forum that he pay all expenses?

now the magnific idea from davila to X2003:
x2003,open a new forum and we can post there some debates but NOT HERE! :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=109991#109991
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=110026#110026

...this is ONLY ONE problem that we pass in a single day.
the sticky is there for future references to ilegal downloaders and his questions :lol: :lol:

Gino is afraid to do some answers (maybe he is a kid) and....
V sometimes have "fear" too :lol: :lol:

only who can read in portuguese can feel what is happen there(i know you can Phil)....is the hard forum to work inside kvcd forum....the resistence is so big and we need mods that have firm positions to preserve that forum clean.

Karl ask me a few days if i want to remove some mods thwere....i answer.....
"no , i can't cos they will blame me and i can only do indications."


but Gino, Flavio and Alex can't be mod in my opinion
was V indications.....OH MY GOD! :lol: :lol:
V is mad! :lol: :lol:

but i'm waiting for you guys cos now you understand how hard is to mod there and i was alone to solve the problems and the whole forum was against me in the first moment....now i got lots of pms from cool members that stay in my side!

you're right Phil....i need less mods there and
the team that you choose seems perfect 8) :arrow: with muaddiub!

jorel, rds_correia, vmesquita, Phil and muaddib !
and me again and again of course.... :lol: kidding but not kidding...
don't forget that i was ALONE fighting for the forum when everybody was argue my decisions and positions.
i never saw one mod in the whole world with seamless problems like i had a few days.

thanks for you idea Phil, you will help the portuguese forum A LOT!

Dialhot 10-26-2004 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
take a look in that gyu: the open a new thread to discuss about legality and i "xeque-mate" doing his post as sticky

I thought that only moderators can do sticky ? Wasn't this modified recently ?

Just my 2 cents : you should not close and reopen a thread. Either a thread turns to be unrelevant and you close it definitively, or there is still something to say in the thread and so you let it open. If you continuously close a thead and reopen it later that gives a taste of "I decide that I will have the last word and nobody else".
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Karl ask me a few days if i want to remove some mods thwere....i answer.....
"no , i can't cos they will blame me and i can only do indications."
That's also what I think : the guys that will be removed from the list will feel bad mood, but if this is necessary, just do it ! It's easy to talk with two people in a room but with ten people, this is nothing but noise and headaches !

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thanks for you idea Phil, you will help the portuguese forum A LOT!
So you don't want to beat me anymore ? :lol:

jorel 10-26-2004 09:57 AM

i turn that thread in sticky cos the arguments from X2003 was off topic like he named his own thread and in the end the solution seems very cool for me cos the idea posted is:
do you want to argue against the kvcd forum disclaimers?
build your own forum and we discuss all about divx and legality
:arrow: there every day, all day long....not here! :lol:
this was the answer to X2003 and he still don't come back to post answers.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

the reminders i agree without comments.

and i don't want to beat you.
....you're a cool friend and a magnific "French -cooker"! :lol:
i can feel the taste of that new idea that you posted here .
have delicious spices!
:lol:
we only need now the Karl's "bless" to start if nobody have something to post.
good ideas from all here are always welcome(of course)!
:wink:

kwag 10-26-2004 11:59 AM

Ok, any suggestions that we all can agree, as to what mod(s) in the Portuguese forum should be added to the moderator's private forum :?:

-Karl

GFR 10-26-2004 01:29 PM

Kwag,

I was going to PM you about this but since the subject is being discussed in this thread...

I agree with Dialhot's opinion, we have too much moderators in the Portuguese forum. I, for example, have the "privilege" but but I've never really moderated the forum. Sorry, but I don't have that much time (I access the forum from work - I should be working now :)) - In fact I read and post more at the main forums than at the Portuguese forum. And also I don't have jorel's patience :!: yes, patience.

I feel somewhat bad being a moderator, because of "having the power" to help jorel to keep things in order but not actually doing this - for the reasons above. Not only this, but I think having a bunch of moderators but only one or two taking the neccessary hard attitudes is no good for the authorithy of the "real" moderators. It's like "no other mod cares, it's just jorel that's a pain in the ass".

So, please feel free to revoke my moderator status, if you think it's better.

Of course, I'd still try to contribute by answering newbies, or PMing a mod if I find some post "suspicious", etc, as my possibilities allow, but without the responsibility of being a moderator.

kwag 10-26-2004 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFR

So, please feel free to revoke my moderator status, if you think it's better.

No please no :!:
You see, one day you might be browsing the forum, and no other moderator is around, and someone posts some Warez or illegal content, and you can just delete the post :)
And that is a great help :!:

-Karl

rds_correia 10-26-2004 02:52 PM

That's what I was going to emphasize Karl.
Even being a passive Mod, GFR can still be a Mod at the PTG forum.
There won't be any problem with him since he doesn't browse the PTG forum that much ;-)
(that is not an accusation GFR :))
Just my €0.02 .
Cheers

incredible 10-27-2004 03:58 AM

I do think (beside the count of mods in a forum):

- IF I am a guest in someones house I do RESPECT the owners whishes!
So if a disclaimer does point out very well the intention of a forum community (in here the "house") ... guests have to respect it - basta ;-).

Means if someone comes into the House wearing dirty shoes, ... its not the solution to discuss which cleaning substance should be used to clean the carped afterwards (in here - how deep should be the tolerance about downloaded movies). The soultion is to keep dirty-off-road-shoes (in here warez) OUT!

My two cents. :D

jorel 10-27-2004 04:52 AM

perfect post ink! :encore:
the voice of my friends came from his minds and not only from his words.

this is why i turn this thread in sticky:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14867

i was answering THE SAME(intentional caps lock) to the guys there.
i start to answer here: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=109756#109756
Correia knows about and can help to translate some of my posts there.

you got my feeling and my "spirit" about legalities inside kvcd forum!
8)

Dialhot 10-27-2004 04:58 AM

@Inc
The same.

@GFR
You point the real aspect of the problem : th moderator priviledges should be in hands of people that won't become too freaky because of the "power" that this will give to them. Being moderator is not for anybody and you are the example of perfect tempered guy.

And I'm not saying that because Karl asked me to be a global moderator :lol:

incredible 10-27-2004 05:05 AM

There are many forums where guys become mods due a temporal "extasy" by writing some guides. And that type of extasy could change alos to its other side -- you know what I mean. And for that "other side" kind of extasy there do not exist guides but rules :lol:

jorel 10-27-2004 05:18 AM

as i wrote, Guilherme is a cool guy and great mod.....and my friend after long pms and posts and favor to find articles of old magazines in Brasil,he always help me a lot:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17004#17004

take a look on that(and the link inside): http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....&highlight=gfr
http://www.gfrhpg.hpg.ig.com.br/kvcdmuseum.html

muaddib and GFR are friends a long time too:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=18354#18354

he only have short time but when he comes to the forum,
one single post that he answer have big value!
this is the type of mod that the portuguese forum need.



8O
now kidding........ :roll: :roll: what i'm reading in the Phil's post?!?!?
:screwy: ....... :ideasmiley:
my vote is for GFR or Correia as Global Mods and not you Phil! :rotf:
to be a global mod the person have to have WISE and not knowledge.

guys like you and me can't be global mods.....we are arrogants!
:cid:

hey Phil, how can you stand me? :rotf:

ps: :secret:
GFR is a music maker too!

Dialhot 10-27-2004 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
guys like you and me can't be global mods.....we are arrogants!

For sure not. I have a sense of humor peoples don't understand ;-)

In all forum or mailing list I moderate, I never asked to be moderator : the owners always asked me to become one when things went out or order. :lol:

I do not like to be moderator but I like clean places. And I don't mind to be "Leon, the professional" :-)

jorel 10-27-2004 06:04 AM

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For sure not. I have a sense of humor peoples don't understand
:lol: :lol: just like me...
then, we can't be global mods cos nobody understand us! :rotf:

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And I don't mind to be "Leon, the professional"
and i as "Tiger, the unclear"....
then,
you as "Leon", i as "Tiger"....who can stand us? :lol: :lol:

we have to get out and let space for who have patience like GFR, CORREIA, MUADDIB....and some others! :wink:

and we can stay rashing stupid guys in peace with protection of that global mods! :rotf:
:arrow: this is a wise choice for me and you ! :hihi:

jorel 10-27-2004 11:54 AM

no changes or any new idea boys?
the portuguese forum is encreasing in locked threads.
it's raining ilegals....!
i need activism....attitudes from mods to solve the problems,
and not me as a killer alone and the others mods helping as "good guys"!
what's that? :roll:

search for my last posts...
now search for the last posts from muddib, V and GFR!

do you can see differences?
why?

what i'm doing and what they are doing?

i need decisions to get solutions...cos i'm the bad guy doing right and they are the cool guys doing answers
:arrow: (but see details in the questions that theey are answering)


....come on!

:!:

Dialhot 10-27-2004 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel
i need activism....attitudes from mods to solve the problems,
and not me as a killer alone and the others mods helping as "good guys"!
what's that? :roll:

Too much post (and too long) and too few time to browse the forum but I'll try to llok a little this evening (if I'm not working till 2:45am like yesterday:-().

jorel 10-27-2004 01:06 PM

read the last post of GFR(that surprise me) :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=110364#110364

seems that he want to change something about the downloads rules and
is a big conflit with Kwag's will posted here :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14829

can you read that Phil?....please?

can you answer me if i'm crazy or we need serious attitudes and not bla,bla,blas there?????

...solutions!!!!! :wink: help me to show that for all Phil! :wink:


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