can Pro post about Smart-K in the forum without problems?
 

i'm really in doubts. :?

can pro post about that?

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15010

and in portuguese forum:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15011

after Karl post that adivice?
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14941

yes, or no? :? :?

who can answer me please?
thanks! :wink:

I asked myself the same thing but after all, he just developped a tool that use diko. I don't think posting about this is like supporting Diko.

By the way, his tool is for "clean capture" and other format like Divx/Xvid...

I think we can let him do. He won't have a lot of people answering to his post (and using his tool).

ok Phil
but i close the thread about Smart-K in portuguese forum
waiting that all doubts can be removed...
remember that in portuguese forum they "love" divx and ilegals downloads.
it can re-start what was hard to stop only one day after the advertences!

:? my doubt remains the same.

but thanks Phil.. :wink:

.. i'm waiting for Karl decision!

Several things:

First: IF such a tool uses DIKO then automatically this will come with DIKO related questions! AS DIKO is used for batching if I really understood that right. So unfortionally Pro forces an unwanted! "grey" area by using DIKO.
And actually that DIKO subject is now (really unfortionally) a very sensible subject which causes other users to ask "Why is DIKO (even if minimal) supported via Pro's Release, but doesnt got its right to be discussed in other forum areas??".

So thats not a unique appl. outside of the "mess" we've been through recently (-- seen clearly objective! No personal point of view related!)

Second: We are again at a point where "Libavcodec" is the one which gives the KVCD related outputs .... and thats WHY Karl stopped that Mencoder/Libavcodec Area and I added that "Caution" Line in front of my Packshot Release/Download Thread.

Third and most important: LowBitrate Encoding possibilities with his tool are provided and as we know (from all testing we have been through) that LowBitrate Encoding-Way via Libavcodec could(does) end up in a mess as underflows and max bitrate (especially when trying to keep at 2500 max) values in cases of KVCD or KsVCD are NOT guaranteed.

Thats for instance why I first didnt want to release Packshot as a KsVCD/KVCD capable encoder. Remember?

Dont misunderstand me! I totally underline appl. developings! I do help as much as I can (as seen in that thread where I explained Pro the correct resizing maths/logics and links which are probably included in his appl.).
Its like a smash in the face if someone took a lot of time for developing and the first reaction is a "closed" ... oh oh ;-)
And maybe its just a matter of help if we can help him to make his appl. independent from DIKO.

Also I explain all this NOT cause I do bann DIKO out of my mind!, no, its because of the sensible situation actually in here - and all seen in an objective way/manner.

My 2 cents. :wink:

EDIT: Jorel IF I understood right in your closed-posting .... you did close that appl. thread due to the capability of his appl. to support Xvid/Divx ???

But in such a case you would have to close TmpgEnc, Packshot and much more appl. related threads where mpeg4 inputs are supported.

I would recommend, that you dont point to that disclaimer but writing a little explication where its mentioned that first it has to be decisioned by Karl as DIKO is needed for that appl.
BTW: Why closing in portuguese area and let it open in other language based areas ever person out there doesnt see the "logic"?? We only should close "them" IF Karl sees a problem *just IMHO*

I do think Prodater could understand that in a better way ?
:wink:

EDIT: Also we should keep in mind that a lot of people (even its not recommended) do capture in mpeg4, means XVID/DIVX. Thats also a point why Phils "optimal scripts" do actually make sense. As they dont have that much disk-space like needed for a lossless HuffYUV capture :wink:

So thats another point of "grey" zone we will be confrontated with in the future! 8O :wink:

wrong observations...of course, is your opinion! :roll:

i don't point to the disclaimer, don't RE_START to change what i WROTE!!
persons like you give me LOTS of problems doing EXACT what your're doing! when you THINK you DESTROY what i WROTE!

i have DOUBTS and i'm not poiniting to :arrow: disclaimer.
IF you have read what i WROTE, you will saw that.
in portuguese forum is closed UNTIL the doubt remains...is POSTED there.

:arrow: do you have some personal opinion agains't ME or my POSICION in that problem ink?
i don't want OPINIONS from who THINK but SOLUTIONS...
now answer me here and the mods forum is private:
what do you talking about ink?
YOUR opinion OR answering to REMOVE DOUBTS?
or to put MORE doubts?

:arrow: and don't THINK in what i wrote....READ what i wrote.
you have all the time stranges answers for me.

:arrow: CAN YOU post here WHAT is the PROBLEM?
ME, MY doubts or WHAT you THINK?...IF you're thinking!

trust me I'M TIRED of WISE guys!

Jorel!

IF YOU WOULD REALLY SEE AND FOR SHURE INTERPRETE CORRECTLY MY WORDS!!!! THEN YOU WOULD DIRECTLY UNDERSTAND THAT I MEANT EXACTLY THE THREAD YOU POINTED TO! INSTEAD OF FOCUSSINg THAT I REALLY MEANt THAT DISCLAIMER

I give you now a very clear advice! :
DONT start trying to rumble with me my friend! Only cause you are in a phase where you like to "misunderstand" things from me or someone else!
I see it makes NO sense to write you in a PN that theres NO but NO problem between us .... did you got my PM-reply??

RE-READ CAREFULLY MY LAST POST! And then you will see that there are just a few opinions and recommendations - NO!! Orders! or DOUBTS! (why should I --- I never used to!)

NOW the most importand point!!!
If you dont like opinions, ........ then my friend DONT OPEN A THREAD AND ASK!

If its ME who is the one on your personal list today, then go on!
Its just a matter of a second and I'M AM OUT OF HERE! - no discussions! ------- My Threshold is set to 9 and you reached 8 :!:

+1

And if you (Jorel) now start interpreting "what I edited" in my last post. Then I do clearify that I added that "Threshold" line at the very end .... only for your and the communities personal notice :!:

about "wise guys" i'm talking about :arrow: Pro.not you!
for me seems so smart cos pro start a big problem with Karl in dikop forum,you don't saw? of course you saw cos you answer there.
remember that pro posted?
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:48 pm KVCD.Net's new site policy

did you forgot? :?

take a look here...
:arrow: you're not alone...seems a gang:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111046#111046
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111045#111045

i misunderstand you?
really?...you have the solution and the final point?

you ALWAYS encrease the doubts and don't read what you wrote:
oh my GOD another from the gang is coming..... :roll:
next?

so wise, right?
who answer? i only saw OPINIONS and not THE REAL :arrow: ANSWER!!!

like i wrote :arrow: seems a gang!

next?

Ahhhhhhh :wink:
Now fishig deeeep for again trying to "mix up" things just to paint someone black as YOU LIKE ... cause thats your new behaviour!
Instead using your brain and READ carefully what I wrote, YOU reached the threshold 9 by doing that.

OK! By friends ..... IM OUT of here!
(do interprete it as a behaviour of a "gang" but its my own decision...)

What do you call : the real answer ?

1/ the one you want to read
or
2/ the answered given by the person (karl ?) you want to and only this one ?

Because I give you MY answer (we can let him..) and I can't give you other thing that MY answer. By definition all what I say is MY words.

Or let try other thing :
YES HE CAN.

End of the thread.

this is the second time that i came here to call for solutions and you comportament is like a GANG.
you are doing EVERYTHING :arrow: AGAIN!



some of you know WHERE Karl posted it?

i have MY doubts...you don't READ WHAT IS WROTEN..NEVER!!!



why don't you do the same as Vinícius? he was part of your GANG!


are you doing the same?
you posted "somewhere" that you save the pages like me and i have this page saved BEFORE and AFTER you edit!

i don't edit anything and you still DON'T ANSWER anything.
no answers about the topic and no answers about the off topic that you did.

:arrow: BETTER IS WAIT FOR KARL COS :arrow: YOU DON'T ANSWER ANYTHING,ONLY ENCREASE THE PROBLEMS.

THREAD CLOSED (Karl,waiting for you.)

@ "some" mods
:arrow: please, have education and wait for KARL to re-open this thread!
i'm starting to feel SHAME of you!

it's incredible?!?!? 8O who can believe? :roll: but i'm right about that
at 2o minutes ago and still there maybe doing: :blabla: :secret: :blabla:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/archives/i.../2004/11/1.jpg

who knows?!?!

Re: can Pro post about Smart-K in the forum without problems
 

Sorry for coming in late here guys. I'll try to answer every post now.

First of all, I screwed up in not telling prodater more specific, that DIKO is out :!:
We are going to keep it out of this forum, and if anyone posts questions about DIKO, let's just tell them DIKO has it's own forum.
That's it.

I just deleted all Smart-K posts, and asked prodater to please rewrite the posts, without the "DIKO" in it.
If his program only relies on DIKO, then he better do something else with it
I haven't seen the program, so I don't know what it does.

@jorel,

We don't need to close threads in the moderator's forum :)

-Karl

I agree, but if the program relies on DIKO, I smell problems again.
Many users will start to ask "What's DIKO" and "How do I use it", and I think we don't want to start over again with DIKO threads.
That's COOL :!: :D
Let's wait for his new posts :cool:
I'll give his program a try :) Of course :)
But it will all be fine once he posts the thread again correctly.

-Karl

I deleted the threads, waiting for prodater to rewrite them.And I'm waiting fro prodater's new fixed posts :!:

-Karl

Re: can Pro post about Smart-K in the forum without problems
 

He was just using it as a "script generator" for preparing the batch processing of his own tool.
In other words : (I guess) he used Diko only to parse the sources, verify the codecs used for audio and video, then select which work will have to be done.

Removing the thread is like removing any tool or guide using GSPOT because you decide that GSPOT is not tolerated anymore.

But no problem for me, this is your home...

was the only solution for me close it Karl cos my internet is so slow and i can't write fast as they all....and they start to do off topic and like a machine gun doing the same AGAIN like in the first time that i call for help.

trust me, i can't mod feeling and PROOVING that they have something agianst me. i can't write so good in english and i never wrote what i don't feel! in my opinion, they are together like if they have another forum inside the forum....where one are,another is together,they or are quoting me without read what i wrote,or posting that i don't understood.
how can i do?
for fight they came FASTEr1 see that here have more than 80 views and who came here for help?
only you Karl,the remiander only put MORE doubts...i can't stand it no more.
if the situation don't change i am completely without support to call the mods in this place...i only got PROBLEMS doing RIGHT things.
i can't stand it no more.
or the things change or i go away.....all the time i need to wait for you to give solutions, they are not helping me and start to post what they THINK that i did wrong.....

@ all mods
do you want my place? with all my problems?
i'm alone AGAIN and you are doing like a gang AGAIN!

nobody can see it?
i ask again:
what is wrong?
with you or with me?
please, answer without accuse me of things that i don't did or against the things that i want to do in the favor of the forum!
:arrow: but don't answer like a gang!

Agree :!: Agreed again :!: Exactly, and now that the mess started to get cleaned up, it would start to get messy again. So Smart-K description should be rewritten without "DIKO" and should also be useable without DIKO. If not, it's out :Q: Yes, and that's why I'm looking at other Codecs for the KVCD encoder, because libavcodec just SUCKS :!: and it's being hacked almost constantly, with changing APIs on almost every release :!:
This is unacceptable for any production encoder.
I really doubdt if libavcodec will ever be stable. You got that right :!: Yes :)


-Karl

why all the time have someone against what Karl wrote about divx and things like that Phil?
:roll:

@ Karl you're off topic :lol:
please read my last post and the screenshot in the other please and after that answer me PLEASE:
what i do if they argue my and your positions :arrow: all the time?

What are you talking about Jorge :?:
Am I understanding that you say Inc. is giving you LOTS of problems :?:
How's that :?: And that's fine :!:
So why the issue of "LOTS of problems" above :?: Hey, what's going on here Jorge :?:
He was expressing an opinion. Nothing personal.
I assume you didn't understand his post correctly :roll: .Didn't you asked for an opinion on the first post of this thread :?:
Again, what's going on here :?: I think I just cleared all doubts :) Jorge, I think you really didn't understand what Inc wrote, because it's very clear to me :) What wise guy :?:
The only WISE guy that was here, is not on this forum any more.

-Karl

I agree, and again, Jorge, I think you didn't understand the real meaning of what Inc. said :) :!:

-Karl

Now that's clear :lol:
I should have read this post before :lol:

-Karl

Because you asked for opinions only :!:
Because nobody but KVCD.Net really has the final authority and we have the final word. So all posts above are correct, because they were opinions.No. It really Seems like a big misinterpretation :)
I have already posted the answer, which is what I did. I deleted all Smart-K posts, and I'm waiting for the new, corrected posts by prodater.

"Let's make things better, but a step at a time"
And let's work together Jorge, as all mods in the moderator's forum have the same power. So we should all end up in the same agreements, and this long threads are really not necessary.


So far, everything was going fine, until prodater posted about DIKO.
But I guess DIKO issues and talks will be around for a while. There's just no way around it, other than limiting the talks on the threads, and just replying that DIKO has its own site and forum.

-Karl

:arrow: Because between "giving my opinion" and "beeing a sheep", my choice is quickly done.
:arrow: Because I can give my opinion and continue to follow Karl's recommandation at the same time
:arrow: Because if Karl wants only "ass-likers" moderators, then you can put me out of the list.

As you like to go deep into the archive, please look for my advice about Diko when it was first released : I said that 99% of the users of this tool will deal with warez stuff. At this moment anyone (I'm not sure what was your opinion then) was against my warning to DO NOT ALLOW DIKO TO DEVELOP WITHIN KVCD COMMUNITY.

No one (including Karl) has the same advice, so I followed "housekeeper" whishes and let the Diko forum become what it was just before it was simply erased.

Today Karl simply decided what I was asking for at the very begining. And you are asking :arrow: ME if I am against Karl advice ?

Personnaly I have nothing against Divx (except that I do not use it personally) and please Jorel, keep in mind what people told me months ago : :arrow: Divx codec is not, never been and will never be equivalent to warez

FYI, a MPEG4 codec will be agreed for future DVD-HD and Divx developpers already contacted DVD-R consortium to have them to choose their codec !

but Karl, i wrote that BEFORE your answer!

and if i ask: "yes or no" it's not for opinions,it's for positions!
or yes(pro can do it) or no (he can't do it)
i don't ask for opinions but for decisions.

the first Phil's answer was: "i asked myself the same..." and " i think we can let him do"....
but what he think don't answer the "yes or no" ,
he only show what he think, and .....better forget...i'm feeling stupid!
i'm stup right?
i did questions .... they post more doubts....only you (Karl) give the right answer and position.....i was right thinking like you but came here to remove doubts asking for his SOLLUTIONS (not opinions)...and i'm feeling stup
seems ok!

@ Phil
again i write:
i don't want iopinions.your mind and the mind of all take the way you understand for differents directions.
opinions have the central point.....thinking go to lots of directions with or without conntrol......cto cahnge what we think for imaginations is very easy.
but solutions are solids!

do you understand different....ok , i agree.
this is what you thing but it's not the solution or decision!
sorry but for me is completely different!

I agree with Phil here. I'm not a yes-man so if I'm asked to be one, I'm out of here. I also don't understand why DivX/XviD has such a foul taste in some people's mouths. You can't deny that MPEG-4 is more advanced than MPEG-1 or 2 and probably will replace those old tech codecs in the not too distant future. It's not automatically warez..

While we're talking about warez, you use CCE SP, jorel? If so, did you pay for it? And how much?

i promisse:
i never more will came here to call for help:
i will foloow the Karl's instructions...if i will do something wrong is only a mistake but i can ask you all anything cos in the end i'm right in my decision (like Karl deleted the thread) but wrong in your OPINIONs!
if i do something wrong in the future deleting posts following the instructions ...forgive me and argue Karl about what i will do!
thanks!

Boulder,
you're not so smart as you think:
i don't pay for CCE,
ddogg got the original :arrow: and give me as present.
you is against?
:arrow: argue with ddogg in doom9.
i don't did anything wrong........you're not so smart my dear and NEVER will put me like "no way out" (you understand what i wrote,right?)
what you THINK about the ddogg and what he did is YOUR problem but i don't did nothing wrong!!! :lol: :lol: i don't break any rule
wake up my friend and BE wise ..don't THINK as wise,ok?

:arrow: now talk and PROOVE how you got CCE?
i can 'swear" that you broke LOT'S of rules!

Do you have the dongle?

Agreed with all your post except that as I told in my previous post, my opinion was to not create Diko forum, and the solution at this time was that I was wrong.
Now the opinion of Karl changed, and so did the solution.

The only think that I find "solid" here his my opinion about Diko and its users ! ;-)

what means that? :?
i will that word don't be some pornography.....i really don't know what means....sorry!

can you change the adjective(change the word the question).
please?

I mean, do you just run the program and no need to do anything else?

about CCE?
yes!
i only have the CCE.exe, nothing more!
:arrow: was implicit in my first answer for you.
...i wrote that he got the original and send to me.
did yo read what i wrote or is part of the group that don't read?
more doubts Boulder?

don't have fear Boulder, ask DDogg!
:lol:

be like me, write and do the true!
stop to be "wise" and "smart" like i wrote.

more doubts?

Hi Jorge,

I think that global moderation has really caused a lot of stress on you.
I'm sorry :(
I should have never put one single person (you or others) as global moderators, because I can see that this is causing problems.
Again, I'm sorry for what I did.

What I'll do now, is that there won't be any single global moderator, and I will split the forum areas to different moderators.
So we can all distribute the "stress" but only in selected areas.
I hope you agree, because it's the most healthy solution for everyone of us.
So, no more global moderators on KVCD.Net, except KVCD.Net admin people.
That's the way it should always have been.
Now, I hope that if there are any doubts from now on, you (or anyone else) post here in the mods private forum, addressing me, and if anyone answeres to a question, lke the first one on this thread, let's treat is as an opinion, which is what forums are for :?:
As to the final decision, we'll take that decision, but we have to look at everyone's opinions to make a final decision.
It's a tough choice, and I have the dirtiest job, to make a wyse solution.
Some will agree, and some will not.
But that's the way it has to be.

-Karl

as always my taste is YOUR taste..i agree :!:
but wait for the reminders..i want to laugh reading what they will post here to answer you or check your decisions! :wink:

Well, I suggest you take a look at CinemaCraft's site and see what you should have in addition to the program itself. I think everything will be clear then.

I will clarify this for Jorel : a dongle is a device (of piece of hardware) that you can't duplicate and the you need to plug into the parallel port of your computer (or now in the USB port) . Without this device plugged into your computer, the software won't start, except if it is cracked.

And CCE SP needs a dongle as you can read here.
http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/sp.html

That is at least for all recent product for CinemaCraft. Can you tel us exactly what version of CCE (or CCE SP) you use ?