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i'm really in doubts.

can pro post about that?

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15010

and in portuguese forum:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15011

after Karl post that adivice?
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14941

yes, or no?

who can answer me please?
thanks!
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I asked myself the same thing but after all, he just developped a tool that use diko. I don't think posting about this is like supporting Diko.

By the way, his tool is for "clean capture" and other format like Divx/Xvid...

I think we can let him do. He won't have a lot of people answering to his post (and using his tool).
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11-02-2004, 06:53 AM
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ok Phil
but i close the thread about Smart-K in portuguese forum
waiting that all doubts can be removed...
remember that in portuguese forum they "love" divx and ilegals downloads.
it can re-start what was hard to stop only one day after the advertences!

my doubt remains the same.

but thanks Phil..

.. i'm waiting for Karl decision!
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11-02-2004, 07:04 AM
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Several things:

First: IF such a tool uses DIKO then automatically this will come with DIKO related questions! AS DIKO is used for batching if I really understood that right. So unfortionally Pro forces an unwanted! "grey" area by using DIKO.
And actually that DIKO subject is now (really unfortionally) a very sensible subject which causes other users to ask "Why is DIKO (even if minimal) supported via Pro's Release, but doesnt got its right to be discussed in other forum areas??".

So thats not a unique appl. outside of the "mess" we've been through recently (-- seen clearly objective! No personal point of view related!)

Second: We are again at a point where "Libavcodec" is the one which gives the KVCD related outputs .... and thats WHY Karl stopped that Mencoder/Libavcodec Area and I added that "Caution" Line in front of my Packshot Release/Download Thread.

Third and most important: LowBitrate Encoding possibilities with his tool are provided and as we know (from all testing we have been through) that LowBitrate Encoding-Way via Libavcodec could(does) end up in a mess as underflows and max bitrate (especially when trying to keep at 2500 max) values in cases of KVCD or KsVCD are NOT guaranteed.

Thats for instance why I first didnt want to release Packshot as a KsVCD/KVCD capable encoder. Remember?

Dont misunderstand me! I totally underline appl. developings! I do help as much as I can (as seen in that thread where I explained Pro the correct resizing maths/logics and links which are probably included in his appl.).
Its like a smash in the face if someone took a lot of time for developing and the first reaction is a "closed" ... oh oh
And maybe its just a matter of help if we can help him to make his appl. independent from DIKO.

Also I explain all this NOT cause I do bann DIKO out of my mind!, no, its because of the sensible situation actually in here - and all seen in an objective way/manner.

My 2 cents.

EDIT: Jorel IF I understood right in your closed-posting .... you did close that appl. thread due to the capability of his appl. to support Xvid/Divx ???

But in such a case you would have to close TmpgEnc, Packshot and much more appl. related threads where mpeg4 inputs are supported.

I would recommend, that you dont point to that disclaimer but writing a little explication where its mentioned that first it has to be decisioned by Karl as DIKO is needed for that appl.
BTW: Why closing in portuguese area and let it open in other language based areas ever person out there doesnt see the "logic"?? We only should close "them" IF Karl sees a problem *just IMHO*

I do think Prodater could understand that in a better way ?


EDIT: Also we should keep in mind that a lot of people (even its not recommended) do capture in mpeg4, means XVID/DIVX. Thats also a point why Phils "optimal scripts" do actually make sense. As they dont have that much disk-space like needed for a lossless HuffYUV capture

So thats another point of "grey" zone we will be confrontated with in the future!
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11-02-2004, 07:26 AM
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wrong observations...of course, is your opinion!

i don't point to the disclaimer, don't RE_START to change what i WROTE!!
persons like you give me LOTS of problems doing EXACT what your're doing! when you THINK you DESTROY what i WROTE!

i have DOUBTS and i'm not poiniting to disclaimer.
IF you have read what i WROTE, you will saw that.
in portuguese forum is closed UNTIL the doubt remains...is POSTED there.

do you have some personal opinion agains't ME or my POSICION in that problem ink?
i don't want OPINIONS from who THINK but SOLUTIONS...
now answer me here and the mods forum is private:
what do you talking about ink?
YOUR opinion OR answering to REMOVE DOUBTS?
or to put MORE doubts?

and don't THINK in what i wrote....READ what i wrote.
you have all the time stranges answers for me.

CAN YOU post here WHAT is the PROBLEM?
ME, MY doubts or WHAT you THINK?...IF you're thinking!

trust me I'M TIRED of WISE guys!
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11-02-2004, 07:39 AM
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Jorel!

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i don't point to the disclaimer, don't RE_START to change what i WROTE!!
IF YOU WOULD REALLY SEE AND FOR SHURE INTERPRETE CORRECTLY MY WORDS!!!! THEN YOU WOULD DIRECTLY UNDERSTAND THAT I MEANT EXACTLY THE THREAD YOU POINTED TO! INSTEAD OF FOCUSSINg THAT I REALLY MEANt THAT DISCLAIMER

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do you have some personal opinion agains't ME or my POSICION in that problem ink?
I give you now a very clear advice! :
DONT start trying to rumble with me my friend! Only cause you are in a phase where you like to "misunderstand" things from me or someone else!
I see it makes NO sense to write you in a PN that theres NO but NO problem between us .... did you got my PM-reply??

RE-READ CAREFULLY MY LAST POST! And then you will see that there are just a few opinions and recommendations - NO!! Orders! or DOUBTS! (why should I --- I never used to!)

NOW the most importand point!!!
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trust me I'M TIRED of WISE guys!
If you dont like opinions, ........ then my friend DONT OPEN A THREAD AND ASK!

If its ME who is the one on your personal list today, then go on!
Its just a matter of a second and I'M AM OUT OF HERE! - no discussions! ------- My Threshold is set to 9 and you reached 8
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11-02-2004, 08:07 AM
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If you dont like opinions, ........ then my friend DONT OPEN A THREAD AND ASK!
+1
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11-02-2004, 08:11 AM
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And if you (Jorel) now start interpreting "what I edited" in my last post. Then I do clearify that I added that "Threshold" line at the very end .... only for your and the communities personal notice
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about "wise guys" i'm talking about Pro.not you!
for me seems so smart cos pro start a big problem with Karl in dikop forum,you don't saw? of course you saw cos you answer there.
remember that pro posted?
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I think that there are many avi files that are not warez material.
Myself capture many video in DivX and later process it to mpeg.
I read that captures thread won't be interdited, but why to close DIKO and DivX threads.
I don't understand that.
With more reason now, that people must to pay a fee to be member of forum.
I call that censure.
Moderators will close warez threads, and if not, a Kwag's PM or another Mod PM can recall his attention to do that.
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:48 pm KVCD.Net's new site policy

did you forgot?

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Only cause you are in a phase where you like to "misunderstand" things from me or someone else!
take a look here...
you're not alone...seems a gang:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111046#111046
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=111045#111045

i misunderstand you?
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no discussions
really?...you have the solution and the final point?

you ALWAYS encrease the doubts and don't read what you wrote:
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Originally Posted by incredible
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Originally Posted by vmesquita
But I never said I was leaving. Not to Karl, not to anyone. I was even surprised to have my moderator privileges removed from most foruns, including the portuguese one where I have answered millions of questions (unlike you, despite your will to accusate me). Karl explained to me that it was just to keep the forum organized and I understand and support that, but still, nobody asked me what I thought about it.

I dont understand that neither ....
oh my GOD another from the gang is coming.....
next?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot
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Originally Posted by incredible
If you dont like opinions, ........ then my friend DONT OPEN A THREAD AND ASK!
+1
so wise, right?
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Originally Posted by jorel
can pro post about that? ....yes, or no?...who can answer me please?
who answer? i only saw OPINIONS and not THE REAL ANSWER!!!

like i wrote seems a gang!

next?
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11-02-2004, 08:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jorel
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Originally Posted by incredible
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Originally Posted by vmesquita
But I never said I was leaving. Not to Karl, not to anyone. I was even surprised to have my moderator privileges removed from most foruns, including the portuguese one where I have answered millions of questions (unlike you, despite your will to accusate me). Karl explained to me that it was just to keep the forum organized and I understand and support that, but still, nobody asked me what I thought about it.

I dont understand that neither ....
oh my GOD another from the gang is coming.....
next?
Ahhhhhhh
Now fishig deeeep for again trying to "mix up" things just to paint someone black as YOU LIKE ... cause thats your new behaviour!
Instead using your brain and READ carefully what I wrote, YOU reached the threshold 9 by doing that.

OK! By friends ..... IM OUT of here!
(do interprete it as a behaviour of a "gang" but its my own decision...)
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11-02-2004, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jorel
who answer? i only saw OPINIONS and not THE REAL ANSWER!!!
What do you call : the real answer ?

1/ the one you want to read
or
2/ the answered given by the person (karl ?) you want to and only this one ?

Because I give you MY answer (we can let him..) and I can't give you other thing that MY answer. By definition all what I say is MY words.

Or let try other thing :
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Originally Posted by jorel
can pro post about that? ....yes, or no?...who can answer me please?
YES HE CAN.

End of the thread.
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11-02-2004, 08:35 AM
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this is the second time that i came here to call for solutions and you comportament is like a GANG.
you are doing EVERYTHING AGAIN!



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwag
He was not asking for much, he was just requesting solidarity from all moderators.
some of you know WHERE Karl posted it?

i have MY doubts...you don't READ WHAT IS WROTEN..NEVER!!!



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Originally Posted by Kwag
]Hi Vinicius,

To answer your PM related to removing jorel as mod, this is the final decision.
why don't you do the same as Vinícius? he was part of your GANG!


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Originally Posted by Kwag
Ever though they were told about how to handle situations, they went in opposite directions againt jorel. Mostly.
So it's best to discuss moderation rules here, and only the mods here will be the mods in the forum too.
...I wish I could see more moderation efforts from others, but Jorge and Phil spend quite a lot of time in the forum..
are you doing the same?
you posted "somewhere" that you save the pages like me and i have this page saved BEFORE and AFTER you edit!

i don't edit anything and you still DON'T ANSWER anything.
no answers about the topic and no answers about the off topic that you did.

BETTER IS WAIT FOR KARL COS YOU DON'T ANSWER ANYTHING,ONLY ENCREASE THE PROBLEMS.

THREAD CLOSED (Karl,waiting for you.)

@ "some" mods
please, have education and wait for KARL to re-open this thread!
i'm starting to feel SHAME of you!

it's incredible?!?!? who can believe? but i'm right about that
at 2o minutes ago and still there maybe doing:



who knows?!?!
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11-02-2004, 11:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jorel
i'm really in doubts.

can pro post about that?

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15010

and in portuguese forum:
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15011

after Karl post that adivice?
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14941

yes, or no?

who can answer me please?
thanks!
Sorry for coming in late here guys. I'll try to answer every post now.

First of all, I screwed up in not telling prodater more specific, that DIKO is out
We are going to keep it out of this forum, and if anyone posts questions about DIKO, let's just tell them DIKO has it's own forum.
That's it.

I just deleted all Smart-K posts, and asked prodater to please rewrite the posts, without the "DIKO" in it.
If his program only relies on DIKO, then he better do something else with it
I haven't seen the program, so I don't know what it does.

@jorel,

We don't need to close threads in the moderator's forum

-Karl
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11-02-2004, 11:19 AM
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I asked myself the same thing but after all, he just developped a tool that use diko. I don't think posting about this is like supporting Diko.
I agree, but if the program relies on DIKO, I smell problems again.
Many users will start to ask "What's DIKO" and "How do I use it", and I think we don't want to start over again with DIKO threads.
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By the way, his tool is for "clean capture" and other format like Divx/Xvid...
That's COOL
Let's wait for his new posts
I'll give his program a try
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I think we can let him do. He won't have a lot of people answering to his post (and using his tool).
Of course
But it will all be fine once he posts the thread again correctly.

-Karl
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11-02-2004, 11:21 AM
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ok Phil
but i close the thread about Smart-K in portuguese forum
waiting that all doubts can be removed...
I deleted the threads, waiting for prodater to rewrite them.
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remember that in portuguese forum they "love" divx and ilegals downloads.
it can re-start what was hard to stop only one day after the advertences!

my doubt remains the same.

but thanks Phil..

.. i'm waiting for Karl decision!
And I'm waiting fro prodater's new fixed posts

-Karl
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11-02-2004, 11:21 AM
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I just deleted all Smart-K posts, and asked prodater to please rewrite the posts, without the "DIKO" in it.
If his program only relies on DIKO, then he better do something else with it
I haven't seen the program, so I don't know what it does.
He was just using it as a "script generator" for preparing the batch processing of his own tool.
In other words : (I guess) he used Diko only to parse the sources, verify the codecs used for audio and video, then select which work will have to be done.

Removing the thread is like removing any tool or guide using GSPOT because you decide that GSPOT is not tolerated anymore.

But no problem for me, this is your home...
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11-02-2004, 11:27 AM
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was the only solution for me close it Karl cos my internet is so slow and i can't write fast as they all....and they start to do off topic and like a machine gun doing the same AGAIN like in the first time that i call for help.

trust me, i can't mod feeling and PROOVING that they have something agianst me. i can't write so good in english and i never wrote what i don't feel! in my opinion, they are together like if they have another forum inside the forum....where one are,another is together,they or are quoting me without read what i wrote,or posting that i don't understood.
how can i do?
for fight they came FASTEr1 see that here have more than 80 views and who came here for help?
only you Karl,the remiander only put MORE doubts...i can't stand it no more.
if the situation don't change i am completely without support to call the mods in this place...i only got PROBLEMS doing RIGHT things.
i can't stand it no more.
or the things change or i go away.....all the time i need to wait for you to give solutions, they are not helping me and start to post what they THINK that i did wrong.....

@ all mods
do you want my place? with all my problems?
i'm alone AGAIN and you are doing like a gang AGAIN!

nobody can see it?
i ask again:
what is wrong?
with you or with me?
please, answer without accuse me of things that i don't did or against the things that i want to do in the favor of the forum!
but don't answer like a gang!
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11-02-2004, 11:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by incredible
Several things:

First: IF such a tool uses DIKO then automatically this will come with DIKO related questions! AS DIKO is used for batching if I really understood that right. So unfortionally Pro forces an unwanted! "grey" area by using DIKO.
Agree
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And actually that DIKO subject is now (really unfortionally) a very sensible subject which causes other users to ask "Why is DIKO (even if minimal) supported via Pro's Release, but doesnt got its right to be discussed in other forum areas??".
Agreed again
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So thats not a unique appl. outside of the "mess" we've been through recently (-- seen clearly objective! No personal point of view related!)
Exactly, and now that the mess started to get cleaned up, it would start to get messy again. So Smart-K description should be rewritten without "DIKO" and should also be useable without DIKO. If not, it's out :Q:
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Second: We are again at a point where "Libavcodec" is the one which gives the KVCD related outputs .... and thats WHY Karl stopped that Mencoder/Libavcodec Area and I added that "Caution" Line in front of my Packshot Release/Download Thread.
Yes, and that's why I'm looking at other Codecs for the KVCD encoder, because libavcodec just SUCKS and it's being hacked almost constantly, with changing APIs on almost every release
This is unacceptable for any production encoder.
I really doubdt if libavcodec will ever be stable.
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Third and most important: LowBitrate Encoding possibilities with his tool are provided and as we know (from all testing we have been through) that LowBitrate Encoding-Way via Libavcodec could(does) end up in a mess as underflows and max bitrate (especially when trying to keep at 2500 max) values in cases of KVCD or KsVCD are NOT guaranteed.
You got that right
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Thats for instance why I first didnt want to release Packshot as a KsVCD/KVCD capable encoder. Remember?
Yes


-Karl
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why all the time have someone against what Karl wrote about divx and things like that Phil?


@ Karl you're off topic
please read my last post and the screenshot in the other please and after that answer me PLEASE:
what i do if they argue my and your positions all the time?
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