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12-08-2004, 04:08 PM
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We can PM each other and say what we want in each others backs, but here at the Mods forum we make it public amongst ourselves.
Man, this is the purpose of a moderator's forum ! To discuss about moderation and moderating purposes !
Using pm IS talking in the back because there is no trace (inbox are emptied once full), no witness, nothing.
I was just about to say the same. One use for the mod forum is for discussing users behaviour and possible sanctions.
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And when pro wrote "you are not author guide" (talking about THIS guide, nothing more) he jump onto him telling "who are you ? You know nothing ! did you go to all other forums on the net ? Do you know all my aliases ? Never tell things you don't know mister "wise man"
Funny how he was eager to flame everyone about rules and forgot that multiple registrations are disallowed on this (and many other) forum. I also wondered why he attacked me instantly for posting my opinion and then offering his.

In a nutshell:

1) jorel is right
2) when jorel is wrong, see point 1.

A bit of a dictatorship IMO.
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12-08-2004, 04:25 PM
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Man, this is the purpose of a moderator's forum ! To discuss about moderation and moderating purposes !
Using pm IS talking in the back because there is no trace (inbox are emptied once full), no witness, nothing.
That's what I'm saying.
We can exchange information between ourselves via PM that noone will ever know about.
But when we post it in the Mods forum, it's permanent.
Just Imagine if Jorel was admitted here again...almost impossible, but what if?
He would clearly see people had been talking about him in his back.
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And you still don't want to take the real and only choice that we have now ?
You tell to someone "more than one thousand of time" to stop making things and you are againt more drastic "punishment" ?
Hold on Phil I didn't say that he shouldn't be banned.
I said that, it is my oppinion that it shouldn't be up to the moderators to make such judgement/decision
It's a lot different
I said, if Karl and/or Mercy want to ban Jorel, that's fine.
If it's because of information we provided them with (Karl/Mercy) and that they use it to judge Jorel and to ban him, fine.
But to open a poll with all moderators voting if a user should be banned...?
What can I say?
It was the Admins who opened the poll in the first place...
I just say, when you all finish voting for Jorel, please, do vote for me too
I think we all should vote for everybody here...if that's the way to go.
But that's just me.

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How much time your father told you to stop to do something before he slamed your bottom ? Suremy not "more than one thousand" times
Thankfully for both me and my father, less than a thousand times

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To enforce HIS truth ! That is not the same at all !
Read again the last thread : he start to jump onto anyone that did not share his advice to remove the thumbnails of your guide to use links to bypass the original site publicity !
(even if such behaviour is called leeching... Jorel, honest ?)
Wrong Phil.
I am entitled to do as Jorel was saying, bypassing the site publicity.
Read Imageshack's FAQ.

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And when pro wrote "you are not author guide" (talking about THIS guide, nothing more) he jump onto him telling "who are you ? You know nothing ! did you go to all other forums on the net ? Do you know all my aliases ? Never tell things you don't know mister "wise man"
That is clearly the "gang" issue working inside his mind.
Everybody was against his suggestion, so he overreacted.
Nothing new here.
I already said that I don't like when he goes rude.
But remember, he was right about the "publicity" issue and you told him he was wrong more than once...

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For sure, noone saw that : this is the first post I erased from the thread, and this is where all started !
Yes I did.
I was browsing that thread and was PMing him and asking him to be nice with other people.
I even posted that I would remove one of his posts if I were KVCD moderator.

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I don't either, but I won't let my dearest friend insulting me day after day in real life without kicking his ass (gently, because it is my friend, but...). Would you ?
No sir.
That's why I haven't said that I am totally against banning him .
I happen to think that if we leave him alone in the forum and stop looking for his alias, he may cool his head.
But that's just me, Phil
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12-08-2004, 05:02 PM
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Just Imagine if Jorel was admitted here again...almost impossible, but what if?
What I say here I said in front of Jorel a lot of time on the public forums : "Jorel, you suffer from paranoia, take some rest, have a medical advice ! Not being with you is not the same as being against you". I write it once, I will write it again if I have to. I do not post here because he can't read !

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Hold on Phil I didn't say that he shouldn't be banned.
Okay. So you just suggest that this is done with no traces (using pm). I'm not sure that is very gentle
(I'm just kidding)

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I said, if Karl and/or Mercy want to ban Jorel, that's fine.
1) as always, Karl is the only one to take decisions here. But it does not prevent to give our advice.
2) let imagine that this thread never existed and Karl and one day banish Jorel. What will happened then ? For sure somone will open a thread here to ask "what's happens ?" and we will have the exact same discussion but after the decision was taken. Don't you agree ?

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If it's because of information we provided them with (Karl/Mercy) and that they use it to judge Jorel and to ban him, fine.
And these information MUST be shared in a place where it can be balanced by other advices ! Else this is called a "trial with no attorney" !

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I think we all should vote for everybody here...if that's the way to go.
But that's just me.
What is the purpose to vote for the future of somone that did nothing ? To see how beautifull a "100 %" is in the column "he must stay" ?

I really don't follow you... Don't wan't to vote against someone that overrules the site policies more than one time, but want to do a vote against other people that are "good fellows"... I'm sure that you will read again this and find this weird yourself.

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I am entitled to do as Jorel was saying, bypassing the site publicity. Read Imageshack's FAQ.
I will be happy if you point me the line ine the FAQ you want me to read because if you intent to do that, I'll erase your guide ! Leeching can't be allowed. As I also told : Imageshack offers a FREE service, and it is normal to "suffer" the publicity. But perhaps you are saying that this is ImageShack's that advice to do that ?
([b]EDIT: I just saw the FAQ. Imageshack allows direct linking, so that is not leeching. But you did not read "How can I support the site"... That tells exactly the opposite. After this, all is a matter of morality IMHO)

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But remember, he was right about the "publicity" issue and you told him he was wrong more than once...
But what are you talking about ???
I told him this ONCE ! And the discussion ended on that post so where do you take this "remember, he was right..." ? You seem to talk about an other thread that I totally forgot ()

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I happen to think that if we leave him alone in the forum and stop looking for his alias, he may cool his head.
Looking for his alias... ? This sounds like a "gang theory"
I did not "look for". I was aware about his new alias after the third message he did (grants to GFR that make me have a closer look at the IP adresses of jeo). This was the 16th of november. And trust me, I did not stay hidden in the shaddow, without sleeping nor peeing during all this time waiting for the moment to hunt my prey !
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12-08-2004, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dialhot
What I say here I said in front of Jorel a lot of time on the public forums : "Jorel, you suffer from paranoia, take some rest, have a medical advice ! Not being with you is not the same as being against you". I write it once, I will write it again if I have to. I do not post here because he can't read !
That happens to be your case. What about others?

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Okay. So you just suggest that this is done with no traces (using pm). I'm not sure that is very gentle
(I'm just kidding)
Sorry but I don't know what you meant.
Again I think that it should be up to the Admins to decide if he's banned.
Not the mods.
We may add some information to the Admins so it's easier for them to make up their mind.
I didn't say nothing about being done by PM or no traces...

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1) as always, Karl is the only one to take decisions here. But it does not prevent to give our advice.
2) let imagine that this thread never existed and Karl and one day banish Jorel. What will happened then ? For sure somone will open a thread here to ask "what's happens ?" and we will have the exact same discussion but after the decision was taken. Don't you agree ?
Man, am I writing too poor English?
1-Yes he is, along with Mercy. And yes we are here to help them and even give them advises.
But it's clearly the opposite. We came here said that Jorel is a bad boy and now we're going to vote.
And it is my understanding that the vote is only Yes/No, meaning we don't have to be specific why we're voting.
So it's a simple binary decision with a final ratio control of 1/100.
Get it? It's amazing the way that we found to deal with it...
2-Agree to some extent of it, but it is too much related with 1 so that I can fully agree.

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And these information MUST be shared in a place where it can be balanced by other advices ! Else this is called a "trial with no attorney" !
Just where is the attorney
Trial? What trial? It is called voting.

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What is the purpose to vote for the future of somone that did nothing ? To see how beautifull a "100 %" is in the column "he must stay" ?
You didn't get the point, did you?
I don't want any of you being voted, and that's why I wouldn't like to see it happening with Jorel.
I absolutely refuse to be the jury.
And I can't understand how you all can do it, that's all.
But if we're voting him, and I can't force anybody else from being voted, I would ask you all to vote me.
Maybe we could get surprised with some votes wanting me away too.

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I will be happy if you point me the line ine the FAQ you want me to read because if you intent to do that, I'll erase your guide ! Leeching can't be allowed. As I also told : Imageshack offers a FREE service, and it is normal to "suffer" the publicity. But perhaps you are saying that this is ImageShack's that advice to do that ?
I don't say anything, Imageshack does:
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Terms of Usage:
    * User may hotlink clickable thumbnails anywhere user likes, as long as the thumbnail code is not modified in any way.
    * User may hotlink full images on ANY message board or forum, as well as personal websites and auctions.
    * User may not hotlink full images on large-scale, non-forum, or non-auction websites.
    * User may not hotlink ANY images to websites which contain pornographic material, or websites designated as "link farms".
I ask your special attention to the 2nd *.
Be my guest and erase the guide.
It's not mine, it's from all who gave their share.
And you gave your's.
Either way, since you're incharge you can do as it pleases you the most.

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But what are you talking about ???
I told him this ONCE ! And the discussion ended on that post so where do you take this "remember, he was right..." ? You seem to talk about an other thread that I totally forgot ()
Sorry Phil, but there's no plural for the word "you".
And "wrong" should not be seen as wrong for that particular "publicity" issue.
He exchanged posts with several people, including mods, and he was told to be wrong in his oppinions.
And yes he is right about the supposed "leeching" issue.
At least unless somebody can convince me of the opposite.
EDIT: just saw your post was edited.
Please be aware that they plan to sell their products in the future.
If the products aren't still for sale I cannot buy them to help them.
So, where is the moral subject?

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Looking for his alias... ? This sounds like a "gang theory"
I did not "look for". I was aware about his new alias after the third message he did (grants to GFR that make me have a closer look at the IP adresses of jeo). This was the 16th of november. And trust me, I did not stay hidden in the shaddow, without sleeping nor peeing during all this time waiting for the moment to hunt my prey !
This was not addressed specifically to you, Phil.
But if you feel it suites you...
Besides this conversation doesn't have much meaning any longer.
C ya all
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12-08-2004, 06:23 PM
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I thought that this talking was ended. As I say you another thread that you are recalling here now. Why you recall this question again?
You see, you don't want to talk about it and neither do I, but I have an obligation to explain some things.
While it was a caos out there in the PTG forum with all sorts of accusations flying all over the place, most of them coming from other threads, you dropped by the PTG forum.
And you clearly revogued Jorel's authority with what you posted.
That specific thread could hardly be understood by Portuguese native speaking people.
But you managed to understand it and to have a different oppinion from the one the moderators had.
And you were a mod already for quite some time.
You know what happens when a mod publicly disagrees with another mod?
The whole place looks like a circus.
And that's what happent: it turned out a circus.
Bottom line: with so many deleted threads it is almost impossible to proove anyones' guiltyness/inocense but I assure you he was doing the right thing.
And I promisse not to bring the issue back again
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12-08-2004, 06:32 PM
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Oi

Rui, the reason I suggested to vote without explanations is because everyone here already said more than enough (for my taste) and again he can’t defend himself so there is no point on going on and on about it.

About voting for everyone else, well… why? no one else is giving so much work, ( he really is a handful) I don’t think is right to keep talking about it and do nothing,

BTW in my humble opinion, we should just ignore the insults and just erase any post that are against the rules.

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12-08-2004, 06:38 PM
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And you clearly revogued Jorel's authority with what you posted.
That specific thread could hardly be understood by Portuguese native speaking people.
But you managed to understand it and to have a different oppinion from the one the moderators had.
And you were a mod already for quite some time.
You know what happens when a mod publicly disagrees with another mod?
The whole place looks like a circus.
And that's what happent: it turned out a circus.
Bottom line: with so many deleted threads it is almost impossible to proove anyones' guiltyness/inocense but I assure you he was doing the right thing.
And I promisse not to bring the issue back again
Cheers
In that time I didn't have access to mod forum. I could not speak about my opinion here, but anyway, when Jorel and VMesquita said me that both was agree, I stop talking about, and any further talking was by PM.
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12-08-2004, 06:44 PM
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Okay,
I won't open my mouth again because of this.
I don't agree but I seem to be all alone so there's hardly no point for keep trying to proove any point.
And after all you are the Admins.
As said, I vote blank.
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12-09-2004, 05:52 AM
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We can PM each other and say what we want in each others backs, but here at the Mods forum we make it public amongst ourselves.
Man, this is the purpose of a moderator's forum ! To discuss about moderation and moderating purposes !
Using pm IS talking in the back because there is no trace (inbox are emptied once full), no witness, nothing.
I was just about to say the same. One use for the mod forum is for discussing users behaviour and possible sanctions.
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And when pro wrote "you are not author guide" (talking about THIS guide, nothing more) he jump onto him telling "who are you ? You know nothing ! did you go to all other forums on the net ? Do you know all my aliases ? Never tell things you don't know mister "wise man"
Funny how he was eager to flame everyone about rules and forgot that multiple registrations are disallowed on this (and many other) forum. I also wondered why he attacked me instantly for posting my opinion and then offering his.

In a nutshell:

1) jorel is right
2) when jorel is wrong, see point 1.

A bit of a dictatorship IMO.
It's even worse.

1) jorel is right.
2) when jorel is wrong, see point 1. else, see point 1 too.

I feel very sad for him (really) but his paranoia is so big that he has to have the last word. If you post anything after him, even if it's "I agree", he gets upset.
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