About Jorel
 

A pm I just sent to Karl.

This guy can't understand the difference between posting an advice and insulting people. And he can't stand to be moderated even if is claimed to be a normal user. Now it's enougth.

Hrmmmm,
Phil, I don't think that's really the way to go, do you?
Even because this time he didn't really insult.
EDIT: besides the gang word that I only noticed now.
We've had other cases of insulting guys that had a few posts deleted but that eventually never had to be banned.
I wouldn't like to be in Karl's skin after what you PMed him.
Cheers

Hello everyone

Phil, can I please request that you be the bigger man and just ignore it, he is a little stress out and maybe he gets carried away, but like rui said there are other people that really do insult the mods and they are not banned just their post erased.

He will get tired of it eventually, I think it should just be ignored,

Thank you
glänzend

Yes, there are a lot of ways. But we already took all the previous ones with Jorel. Don't you think ?

Extracting a single line from a complete post and tell the person that wrote this is a "a final judge" is a way to insult him.
Let copy the WHOLE sentence, just to see how much different was the meaning :
Quite a little different than just copying " I am the one that decided", isn't it ?

And I don't like to continue to be in the skin of someone targetted by a crazy paranoiac mind.
I can live without this and the forum can live without me. For sure, to live with this and without me will surely be a little more unpleasant for the ones that stay but life's too short to wonder about that.

@glänzend
As I said, this is the THIRD post that I silently removed. And be sure that new ones will arrive in the forum. How long is it supposed to continue before a real task is done ?
This task (blocking him to avoid new post) I can't do it personally, so I will be the bigger one as you say and just leave the kindergarden. I don't see other things to do.

Just imagine you have to read everyday a post telling : "glänzend ? ah ah ah...". How long will you suffer that silently "as a big man"... ?

NOTE: Are you aware that we are talking about JOREL ? Not really a virgin case... Him, beeing tired ? Of what ? When ? He acts like this since weeks !

Well, I think Jorge has gone (or is about!) to go over the edge.
I think his last posts just "FUEL" bad discussions in the forum, by always taking opposite directions from the focus of the threads.
As Mercy said, it's better to ignore him, and if the posts are like the one that he just posted, then moderators, please feel free to delete his posts without even answering.
If he continues with this, then I have no other option than to ban him from the site permanently.

-Karl

At least we agreed on that point. I am just thinking that we already reached this point but if I am the only one, then I will wait a little longer...

/deleted/

I just deleted my last post as Karl just brought my thoughts to the point meanwhile I was writing! :wink:

Ohh yes I do, is just a suggestion, but now that we are on the subject, I don't like to talk about people behind their backs, and I think the democratic thing to do would be to take a vote, just yes or no, no stories no nothing.

So lets take a vote, and see what everybody thinks.

But begging your pardon I still think you could be the bigger man and just ignore it. :wink:

We're what, Mercy?
We're all going to vote he Jorel should stay or leave?
You're kidding, right?
Otherwise be so kind to vote me too, ok?
And I might as well vote right now. I vote blank for Jorel and I vote for leaving in my case.
Cheers

Rui, dont misunderstand! :wink:

But this story never stops as you see and he already had in his behaviuor-account many pople including mods from here.

Participating in this area means giving personal energy/engagement for NO money, so at least I DONT want to get stressed over month. The "money" I do receive from here are friendships, developements and a good "staying together"! :wink:

If some people do not follow advices or even do not think about what could hurt but still keeping it no matter what could happen then sorry ... :(
And you know my character as Im not "direct executable"-minded ;-)

After some things I've seen, I don't think jorel is ever going to give up.
Some (most?) of you remember the big recent thread at doom9, where he finally got banned :?:
It was a thread about quality related to multi-passes with CCE.
Well, this makes me nervous :roll:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/searc...h_author=jorel
Exactly trying to "continue" what was ended at D9 :!:

-karl

The vote is only for knowing if Jorel passed the edge this time or not. Look at the moderator panel : we had this dicussion already some days ago. Vm has gone. Inc was on the edge to leave ! Now I am also.
I voted yes for sure because I started this thread and can't vote for other thing. But feel free to vote no ! I personnaly won't tell there is a gang against me if you do taht :-D

This is a tough case.

Personally I have grown very tired of his moody behaviour. I was very much willing to leave him in peace when he adopted his second identity (jeo), provided that he kept cool. Unfortunately he didn't..in fact his paranoia has grown worse. Nowadays he doesn't even try to understand the big picture, he just sees certain words and then loses his temper.

If I didn't know the person any better, I would be ready to kick him off the site. However, I'm a little worried about what will happen to him if we get rid of him. He is very unstable and something really bad could happen if he goes. I know that nothing I say can help him but maybe he finds some comfort and feels safer around the forums, and now that reading them requires registration, he would be quite lonely. Because I think he doesn't have many friends and that the forum is a place where he feels most at home.

Conclusion: I can't say whether I'll vote yea or nay. I'll have to give it some more thought..

Misunderstanging is not my goal Andrej :)
And friendship and knowledge is surely what I gain from all of you.
But I would NEVER EVER vote any of you guys, EVER.
That's not what I am here for.
Also, please consider one more thing:
Jorel claims he asked Karl to leave the mods area.
It was not Karl that decided to do so - Karl can you confirm that?
Eventually, and taking into account what happent recently, I am sure that if my above assumption is right, Karl would have taken such decision without Jorel's request.
But nevertheless,let me remind you all, that mentally insane or not, rude or not, HE IS one of us.
And if I would never vote any of you guys, I can't vote Jorel, ok?
It's not because it is Jorel, it is because he is one of US.
If Karl or Mercy wants Jorel away from the forum, fine.
But don't come asking me to ban any of you guys, period.
Cheers

Yes indeed, he was the one who asked me to remove him.

-Karl

whoa, rui, I don't want anyone out of anywhere,

I was the one who said, that the situacion should not be taken so hard and if he writes something not apropiate for the forums then have the mods erase it.

I also think its wrong to be discussing him so extensively here or anywhere he can't see, becase he can't defend himself.

I don't think is right to be talking about him or anyone else for that mater behind his back.

Please don't get me wrong, I understand he was banned for a month or so from another site, maybe if he takes a vacation he will come back refresh and there will be peace for everyone again. :wink:

ciao
glänzend

Actually he wasn't banned, he did post after wmansir interfered with "that" thread, unless things have taken another turn in private, which wouldn't surprise me at all.

In fact, he has been deleted from the D9 forum completely, his member status is Guest and his posts cannot be searched for! I happened to remember a thread in which he wrote so I checked things out there.
I don't know if it's Doom9 himself who decided to do that or if jorel asked to be removed.

He did ask to be removed at D9.
It so happens that D9 himself must have felt a bit unconfortable with that, as he took several days to remove Jorge.
Or maybe he was too busy...
As to talking about Jorel in his backs, I am with Mercy.
We can PM each other and say what we want in each others backs, but here at the Mods forum we make it public amongst ourselves.
I just imagine that if I leave the board of mods and happen to pick a fight with any of you, what kind of words will be written here about me!
That's not fair for someone that - to have become a Mod - has given so much to the forum as Jorel did.

@Prodater64
You said he was I tiran in the "fundamental's truth" thread in the PTG forum.
Did you tell him so?
If you're saying you were his friend you should have done so, right?
I've told him more than a 1000 times that he has to stop assaulting the moderators and that he has to address people with politeness.
But he just doesn't hear me.
He's stuck with the truth.
He will actually do anything to be honest and to enforce the truth.
It just happens so, that his truth is different than some of us truth.
But he hasn't given up on my friendship just because I don't agree with him.
But if you're so worried about the "fundamental's truth" thread in the PTG forum, I could ask Jorel a copy of it.
I'm quite sure he will provides a copy if he has it with him.
Then maybe we can get to see who was being a tiran, there ;-)
Cheers

I thought that this talking was ended. As I say you another thread that you are recalling here now. Why you recall this question again?
About your question, is the thread in itself that say Jorel "don't be a tiran", in a diplomatic way. Also J and me, have PM and it was all. I saw my concience satisfied (satisfecha) posting that thread, and I coud not do another thing. But, it was in the past, I don't want to talk about this anymore, please, don't ask me again about this as already is very clear that you have another opinion than me and vice versa. I don't want to talk about Jorel with nobody more. I will moderate his posts as my concience say me, it is all. About ban Jorel I would give him another oportunity, but if he has same behaviours, I would ban him for sure.

Edited: Related to last news, I am seriously thinking about withdraw Jorel of my friend list.

Man, this is the purpose of a moderator's forum ! To discuss about moderation and moderating purposes ! :-D
Using pm IS talking in the back because there is no trace (inbox are emptied once full), no witness, nothing. :x

And you still don't want to take the real and only choice that we have now ? You tell to someone "more than one thousand of time" to stop making things and you are againt more drastic "punishment" ?
How much time your father told you to stop to do something before he slamed your bottom ? Suremy not "more than one thousand" times :lol:

To enforce HIS truth ! That is not the same at all !
Read again the last thread : he start to jump onto anyone that did not share his advice to remove the thumbnails of your guide to use links and bypass the original site publicity !
(I remind that such behaviour is called leeching. Jorel... honest ?)

:arrow: And when pro wrote "you are not author guide" (talking about THIS guide, nothing more) he jump onto him telling "who are you ? You know nothing ! did you go to all other forums on the net ? Do you know all my aliases ? Never tell things you don't know mister "wise man"

For sure, noone saw that : this is the first post I erased from the thread, and this is where all started !

I don't either, but I won't let my dearest friend insulting me day after day in real life without kicking his ass (gently, because it is my friend, but...). Would you ?

I was just about to say the same. One use for the mod forum is for discussing users behaviour and possible sanctions.
Funny how he was eager to flame everyone about rules and forgot that multiple registrations are disallowed on this (and many other) forum. I also wondered why he attacked me instantly for posting my opinion and then offering his.

In a nutshell:

1) jorel is right
2) when jorel is wrong, see point 1.

A bit of a dictatorship IMO.

That's what I'm saying.
We can exchange information between ourselves via PM that noone will ever know about.
But when we post it in the Mods forum, it's permanent.
Just Imagine if Jorel was admitted here again...almost impossible, but what if?
He would clearly see people had been talking about him in his back.
Hold on Phil :!: I didn't say that he shouldn't be banned.
I said that, it is my oppinion that it shouldn't be up to the moderators to make such judgement/decision :!:
It's a lot different ;-)
I said, if Karl and/or Mercy want to ban Jorel, that's fine.
If it's because of information we provided them with (Karl/Mercy) and that they use it to judge Jorel and to ban him, fine.
But to open a poll with all moderators voting if a user should be banned...?
What can I say?
It was the Admins who opened the poll in the first place...
I just say, when you all finish voting for Jorel, please, do vote for me too :!:
I think we all should vote for everybody here...if that's the way to go.
But that's just me.

Thankfully for both me and my father, less than a thousand times :)

Wrong Phil.
I am entitled to do as Jorel was saying, bypassing the site publicity.
Read Imageshack's FAQ.

That is clearly the "gang" issue working inside his mind.
Everybody was against his suggestion, so he overreacted.
Nothing new here.
I already said that I don't like when he goes rude.
But remember, he was right about the "publicity" issue and you told him he was wrong more than once...

Yes I did.
I was browsing that thread and was PMing him and asking him to be nice with other people.
I even posted that I would remove one of his posts if I were KVCD moderator.

No sir.
That's why I haven't said that I am totally against banning him ;-).
I happen to think that if we leave him alone in the forum and stop looking for his alias, he may cool his head.
But that's just me, Phil :?
Cheers

What I say here I said in front of Jorel a lot of time on the public forums : "Jorel, you suffer from paranoia, take some rest, have a medical advice ! Not being with you is not the same as being against you". I write it once, I will write it again if I have to. I do not post here because he can't read !

Okay. So you just suggest that this is done with no traces (using pm). I'm not sure that is very gentle :-)
(I'm just kidding)

1) as always, Karl is the only one to take decisions here. But it does not prevent to give our advice.
2) let imagine that this thread never existed and Karl and one day banish Jorel. What will happened then ? For sure somone will open a thread here to ask "what's happens ?" and we will have the exact same discussion but after the decision was taken. Don't you agree ?

And these information MUST be shared in a place where it can be balanced by other advices ! Else this is called a "trial with no attorney" !

What is the purpose to vote for the future of somone that did nothing ? To see how beautifull a "100 %" is in the column "he must stay" ?

I really don't follow you... Don't wan't to vote against someone that overrules the site policies more than one time, but want to do a vote against other people that are "good fellows"... I'm sure that you will read again this and find this weird yourself.

I will be happy if you point me the line ine the FAQ you want me to read because if you intent to do that, I'll erase your guide ! Leeching can't be allowed. As I also told : Imageshack offers a FREE service, and it is normal to "suffer" the publicity. But perhaps you are saying that this is ImageShack's that advice to do that ?
([b]EDIT: I just saw the FAQ. Imageshack allows direct linking, so that is not leeching. But you did not read "How can I support the site"... That tells exactly the opposite. After this, all is a matter of morality IMHO)

But what are you talking about ???
I told him this ONCE ! And the discussion ended on that post so where do you take this "remember, he was right..." ? You seem to talk about an other thread that I totally forgot (:?:)

Looking for his alias... ? This sounds like a "gang theory" :-)
I did not "look for". I was aware about his new alias after the third message he did (grants to GFR that make me have a closer look at the IP adresses of jeo). This was the 16th of november. And trust me, I did not stay hidden in the shaddow, without sleeping nor peeing during all this time waiting for the moment to hunt my prey ! :-)

That happens to be your case. What about others?

Sorry but I don't know what you meant.
Again I think that it should be up to the Admins to decide if he's banned.
Not the mods.
We may add some information to the Admins so it's easier for them to make up their mind.
I didn't say nothing about being done by PM or no traces...

Man, am I writing too poor English?
1-Yes he is, along with Mercy. And yes we are here to help them and even give them advises.
But it's clearly the opposite. We came here said that Jorel is a bad boy and now we're going to vote.
And it is my understanding that the vote is only Yes/No, meaning we don't have to be specific why we're voting.
So it's a simple binary decision with a final ratio control of 1/100.
Get it? It's amazing the way that we found to deal with it...
2-Agree to some extent of it, but it is too much related with 1 so that I can fully agree.

Just where is the attorney :?:
Trial? What trial? It is called :arrow: voting.

You didn't get the point, did you?
I don't want any of you being voted, and that's why I wouldn't like to see it happening with Jorel.
I absolutely refuse to be the jury.
And I can't understand how you all can do it, that's all.
But if we're voting him, and I can't force anybody else from being voted, I would ask you all to vote me.
Maybe we could get surprised with some votes wanting me away too.

I don't say anything, Imageshack does:
I ask your special attention to the 2nd *.
Be my guest and erase the guide.
It's not mine, it's from all who gave their share.
And you gave your's.
Either way, since you're incharge you can do as it pleases you the most.

Sorry Phil, but there's no plural for the word "you".
And "wrong" should not be seen as wrong for that particular "publicity" issue.
He exchanged posts with several people, including mods, and he was told to be wrong in his oppinions.
And yes he is right about the supposed "leeching" issue.
At least unless somebody can convince me of the opposite.
EDIT: just saw your post was edited.
Please be aware that they plan to sell their products in the future.
If the products aren't still for sale I cannot buy them to help them.
So, where is the moral subject?

This was not addressed specifically to you, Phil.
But if you feel it suites you...
Besides this conversation doesn't have much meaning any longer.
C ya all

You see, you don't want to talk about it and neither do I, but I have an obligation to explain some things.
While it was a caos out there in the PTG forum with all sorts of accusations flying all over the place, most of them coming from other threads, you dropped by the PTG forum.
And you clearly revogued Jorel's authority with what you posted.
That specific thread could hardly be understood by Portuguese native speaking people.
But you managed to understand it and to have a different oppinion from the one the moderators had.
And you were a mod already for quite some time.
You know what happens when a mod publicly disagrees with another mod?
The whole place looks like a circus.
And that's what happent: it turned out a circus.
Bottom line: with so many deleted threads it is almost impossible to proove anyones' guiltyness/inocense but I assure you he was doing the right thing.
And I promisse not to bring the issue back again ;-)
Cheers

Oi

Rui, the reason I suggested to vote without explanations is because everyone here already said more than enough (for my taste) and again he can’t defend himself so there is no point on going on and on about it.

About voting for everyone else, well… why? no one else is giving so much work, ( he really is a handful) I don’t think is right to keep talking about it and do nothing,

BTW in my humble opinion, we should just ignore the insults and just erase any post that are against the rules.

Ciao
Glänzend

In that time I didn't have access to mod forum. I could not speak about my opinion here, but anyway, when Jorel and VMesquita said me that both was agree, I stop talking about, and any further talking was by PM.

Okay,
I won't open my mouth again because of this.
I don't agree but I seem to be all alone so there's hardly no point for keep trying to proove any point.
And after all you are the Admins.
As said, I vote blank.
Cheers

It's even worse.

1) jorel is right.
2) when jorel is wrong, see point 1. else, see point 1 too.

I feel very sad for him (really) but his paranoia is so big that he has to have the last word. If you post anything after him, even if it's "I agree", he gets upset.