Yep, now I clearly understand you.
But IMHO F1 shouldn't have been deprived from having the Williams participating in the '93 season.
There are not many cars out on the track and if you take 2 down you get to have less than few.
The way it was handled, I agree with you, was disgusting.

Hmm go check the rulings again.
The aerodinamic part had to be X milimeters but also had an error margin of Y milimeters.
Using the error margin both Ferrari's ran inside the regulations.
Bad grey rules...

Okay, I haven't seen it on TV (we do have commercials during the GP broadcast) but I will assume that's true.
Then I can't agree more with you: Michael and everybody that crosses the line exiting the pits should go drink a coffee with Charlie during the race .
BTW it has happened several times with Michael in the past

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Can't agree more with you.
The engine can be simply bad.
Remember when Ilmor came to the F1 before it was called Mercedes?
How many engines did they blow?
The driver simply doesn't build the engine thus he is not responsible.
So it shouldn't be the driver to suffer from a penalty applied to the team.
Can't agree more with you.
Now I don't agree.
$100.000 is like peanuts for some teams and like billions of $'s for some teams.
I say, let the engine supplier get the fine but not the team.
Now I can't agree again.
You saw what happened when they exited the pits.
It was as close as milimeters from crash.
Of course Ferrari asked them both to "bring the cars home safely" on the radio.
Further let me tell you that Rubens simply can't beat Schummy.
Michael is 1 second faster "in his bare hands" than anybody out there.
Rubens have never shown us that "he can" beat Michael in similar conditions.
Rubens sistematically looses >30 seconds for Michael on a GP.
If I were Jean Todt or Ross Brown of course I would tell them to slow down and bring it home, you bet I would.
As a side note I can say that we heard the Ferrari pits on the US GP but we haven't heard the McLaren's Pits on the Canada GP when they called Kimi before they called JPM.
I sure would have loved hearing JPM's words about that during the race...
I can hardly remember such occasions.
How many? 2? 3?
Come on, let's get real, who would you put the money on?
Michael or Rubens?
On the sports side of things of course I would let them go out and do their best untill the chequered flag.
But this sport runs millions of $'s and you can't afford loosing 1st/2nd to DNF/DNF.
I don't like boosting buttons but hell I voted YES as well .
That's bad but I can't see any good talents emerging from France.

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Yes I do remember Mercedes when they used to call their engines Ilmor, and boy yes there were REALLY unreliable blowing engines up practically every race.


To be fair I agree with you on this point actually it should be the Engine supplier that is penalised and not the driver/teams. The Team is resonsible for the chassis and the Driver for well. . .Driving so it should be the Engine supplier that is given a hefty fine, this would make them pull their socks up and make more reliable engines.


You are right here of course Rubens is no where near as fast as Schummy as he is the best driver out there bar none (when he's not cheating by ramming his car into his nearest rival to deprive them of the World Championship like he did to Damen Hill & Jacques Villeneurve but it didn't work on Villeneurve ) but it must be sould destroying for a driver who's not given a level playing field and told just to sit behind your team mate if I were him I would lack motivation also.

There was a race I can't remember which now maybe Indianapolis where Rubens was pushing hard but to be honest even if he could catch Schummy I doubt he would ever overtake him.

Me to I would have loved to of heard JPM choice of words I bet he wasn't a happy man.

True if I were a betting man my money would always be on Michael to get the results.

That is true also but sod the DNF/DNF I want the old days like the Senna/Prost battles now those guys had a real pasion for the sport those were the good old days.

Yeah to honest I am not in favour of them either but something has got to be done, I think the best bet is having the downforce beneath the cars rather than from the sides and top.


Yes and this is very sad indeed, let's hope in the near future this will be rectified.

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Michael.

I had already mentioned one of those incidents here.
At the same time I emphasized that Damon had a much much stronger package than Michael that was running on a Ford DFZ engine while Damon was on a Renault engine with a difference in power near the 80 horse power.
To me, while Damon should have been the World Champion he really didn't deserve it as much as Michael who had been strugling with a much worse package.
But having said that, I always count 6 World titles on Michael's behalf instead of 7.
Michael, have you even read my last post about downforce?
Man, downforce is everywhere around the object.
Plus what you are most probably talking about is that you would like to have a clear and smooth drag-less tube for the car running behind.
That way overtaking would be a whole lot easier on high speed corners.
And that is not downforce.
BTW, even if you take the front and back wings off of an F1 car it will still produce downforce but in a much lesser way.
Or maybe you're talking about the early 80s solo-effect where the car's bottom would also work as another wing.
But you can't have that again because if one of those cars looses one of the aerodinamic plates that used to be
placed on the sides of the car they can't turn and they end up like Senna.

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I agree he was the better driver is a far inferior car but he still cheated his way to that Championship. This was the point at which I lost most of my respect for Michael as before that he was absolutely brilliant and drove that nervous car like no other could and to go and blatently crash into your opponant as you he knew he made a bad mistake and knew he blew it for me is unforgivable.

To do almost the same thing again to rob Jacques of his World Championship is even more unforgivable, it amazes me how he gets away with it. Any other driver in that situation would have been penalised but Michael again and again seems to get away with blue murder.

Yes I agree Rui, it is a very hard call to make. We the fans want closer nail biting racing but how to achieve that is the problem and at the moment with all that wind turbulence it is hard to the other car's to get near each other.

Im sure they will work it out.

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Michael.

This is why I don't like his way as a person.
But technically speaking, as a driver, he is the best the world as ever seen.
I would bet that it is yet to be born the guy that will ever take his place as the best of all time.
I'm sorry to say that I'm not as sure as you are
But obviously that's what I hope.

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I don't fully agree with this. You can't really say that he is the best in the World ever because you can't compare the cars of today to the cars of the '50's '60's or even the '70's & 80's.

Take the Argentine Fangio he was in a class of his own of his generation and in a car that probably handled like a bucket of sh#t compared to the modern cars today that practically drive themselves the driver simply only needing to point them in the right direction.

Then you have Piquet, Senna in his day, Sterling Moss. Like I say each generation had their great drivers in cars which handled so differently from the next.

In fact Nicky Lauder, Stirling Moss & Fangio for me get my vote as those cars had no automation like today's car they had to change their own gears, no traction control or launch control in fact none of the modern tech equipment that makes the modern car much more easier to drive, these were real drivers as half of the skill was keeping the car on the track.

I would say Michael is the best of the current generation bar none there is no technical driver out there today as good as him but I don't like his attitude problem which really puts me off him.


We can all dream can't we? I to hope some day this will happen but I won't hold my breath that this will take place any time soon.

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Michael.

I don't take a word from my above sentence.
I truly believe in what I said although there is not much evidence that I could use to back me up.
You see it's probably impossible to compare Schumy or any other driver from his generation with some driver from the '50s, '60s or '70s.
But it's not that hard to compare a driver from the mid '80s or from the '90s with nowadays drivers.
Plus it is my personal believe that the drivers from the '50s/'60s were technically less gifted because the cars wouldn't allow them to grow better drivers.
But you can't say the same from the cars from the '80s/'90s.
Damn look at Villeneuve Sr.! Was that a gifted driver or what?
He didn't take much care for the "hardware" but he was plenty of gifted no doubt about it.
Does Villeneuve Jr. stand a chance comparing him against his father?
No way I can believe that although I know Jr is a hell of a racer.
He suffers from a rare syndrome called "when will they stop comparing me with my father".
But we can't be blamed for doing that! His father was a hurricane and we always thought we would come to see the same movie with Jr.
I have many VHS tapes with short movies of races from many decades and I do believe in what I say although I may be wrong.
For instance it is also my personal believe that Senna was not that gifted as many may think.
I'm not flaming here, I'm just exposing my oppinion .
If you look carefully, he only prooved faster with a cheap car when he was at Toleman because after that his path seems too much like the path from Fangio, that is, always with the best car in the pack.
Other than that he hardly would be much ahead of his team mate.
I'm not saying that Schumy hasn't had the best car many times.
But he sure didn't at the times when he was at Benetton or in the 1st and 2nd championship won with Ferrari.
And he has always consistently "given" 30 seconds - when not more than 30 - per race to his team mate.
All in all, I know it doesn't sound fair comparing people from different decades in any sports, but you have to look carefull and maybe you'll see that - for instance in soccer - Ronaldo wouldn't stand a chance against Pele challenging for the best soccer player .
And remember, the ball has seen a lot of development too as well as the average player is nowadays much more skilled that the '50s average player .

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Considerations after German GP:
1-Ferrari should fire Rubens latter on today due to his lack of driving skills. I haven't seen the times sheet but he was obviously more than 30secs aways from MS at the end of the race. That is simply unacceptable.
2-Kimi clearly deserved the 1st place and JPM did a wonderful race too and he deserved to be 2nd.
3-If Alonso ever comes to Portugal I will gladly tell him where he can put all the fingers he's been showing. He is simply the most arrogant person I have ever seen.
4-Jarno Trully has once again shown us his lack of respect for everybody else on track. He didn't deserve a stop-and-go. He deserved to be desclassified for this race and the next one.
Not to mention that he is usually a moving obstacle for everybody, +/- the same that Michael Schumacher did today.
5-Very bad race for MS. He showed us how poor those Bridgestone tyres are when compared with the Michelins.
Nevertheless he showed that he is not dead and that should he have a competitive package he could have challenged Kimi and JPM.

Overall, racing is competition +/- the same as any other sport.
We can't expect that our idols can always win.
But this sport is rotten with so many cases such as the one with Fisichela in the last race being called to pit when he still had fuel for 5 laps plus the safety margin.
When Ferrari does the same everybody bombs the newspapers trying to move the public oppinion.
When it's somebody else..., well you don't even get to really know about it, do you?
And even if you do, there's no big problem about that, now is there?
At least I haven't heard anyone here complaining!
Someone please call Max and tell him to crown Alonso immediatly.
Preferably still today.
Also call the Guiness book of records to take Alonso's Picture as he is the youngest driver ever to be crowned.
Don't anybody race the next 5 or 6 races!
Do work on the rules/plans for the next year championship.
I am considering to abadon watching F1 and may I tell you that it is the love of my life.
Either they come up with some way of ending with all these "cases" or there's no point in watching it.
Cheers

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2 - What you are saying is subjective.
For me, JPM deserved first place much more than Kimi. Im thinking that Kimi driving is guilty of his broken engines. Why JPM don't burn his one?
And don't say me it is bad luck.
There is not proves, but to me Kimi is gulty in some way, that his car say "game over".
3 - I think you don't understand Alonso neither spanish way. It that moment, when he show his fingers, he have a lot of happyness and want to share it with his family, friends and partners. Didn't you see same behaviour in some Renault mechanic across prices ceremony? Just to enjoy the firs position.
I can see much tv previous grand prixes when FA explain all with a great humility.
I think really you don't know FA.

I see.
All is subjective Luis .
Let me tell you that as you have been able to see for yourself that I am not FA's best friend.
But that is not extensible to the Spanish Hermanos, on the contrary as I have expressed before.
For me, it is a question of education, attitude and of character of the person.
Look at Alain Prost, Ayrton Sena, Nelson Piquet and latelly Michael Schumacher.
All of them are multi-World Champions and we have never ever seen them counting their victories in front of the crowd.
And I mean never!
When someone deliberatly shows everybody the amount of victories they have achieved, for me and for my culture, that is very unpolite.
When it happens once, I can excuse.
When it happens twice I can always say "nah, he won't do that again".
But when it happens six times in a row, that is called lack of education at home with his parents.
Again, not flaming the Spanish people.
If it was Tiago Monteiro showing the fingers I would be here saying the exact same thing.
Arrogance is men's worst enemy.
As for Kimi not taking care of his hardware and for JPM deserving the victory more than Kimi, please look at the time sheets.
Clearly, JPM was pushing the car as much as Kimi or even more than Kimi when he was not behind MS and JB.
As you say, all is always a bit subjective but then we could say that it is so much subjective that I could say that the guy who deserved to win the championship is Tiago Monteiro.
And I could say that taking into consideration the hardware in his hands compared with all the other guys is so bad that he should be the champion.
Nah, I don't buy it
The guy who is clearly (in overall) fastest and more consistent is Kimi even though I am a 500% Ferrari fan.
If engines would blow on Kimi's hands because of Kimi's driving Ron would have shown him "the door out" already.
This championship is clearly going to fall in the wrong hands but there is nothing I can say against Alonso besides that as a person he shows NO character.
And if that was not enough, people go on excusing him because he is very young and because of this and because of that.
For me it's all bulls**t.
We have seen MS wining 7 world championships and never we have seen him showing us 7 fingers.
Do you know why?
He can laugh, he can jump, he can scream, he can party, he can try to sing the Italian anthem with the crowd, and he can even presume that he is the best of all times when he is at home with his family, but he was brought up by a decent family with high standards in terms of education.
They would never allow him to do that, for sure.
Perhaps Alonso hasn't had such luck.
In the sports field I wanna know why noone blames Renault for choosing which of their drivers will win when everybody blames Ferrari when they tell Rubens to stay put or to let Michael go by.
Every team out there does the exact same thing and I see noone blaming other teams.
That's something I can't understand.
Is it because it's Ferrari, because it's such a traditional team that they aren't allowed to do that but then Mercedes and Renault can?
But this is all very subjective and it could be me "thinking things" or "seeing things" that nobody else can see.
Maybe it's my behaviour that is unbalanced and not FA's...
Cheers

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I think any of MS, KR, JPM, FA and many others would be champions with the better car. But despite McLaren is showing as the fastest, they are not the more regular ones. And F1 is so, not only a pilot, but a team.

It is without doubt objetivament the fastest, across a limited number of laps.
Renault is doing things far better that McLaren.
I want FA be the champion.

I think it is something subtle, nonevident.

If it would be so, FA don't have any culp of bad education receipt.

GFis said that it is not the behaviour in Renault team.
You could see, some GPs ago, when GFis was through race first than FA, Renault manager didn't say GFis go down and let FA overtake you. Neither I se GFis lowering others pilots, helping in this way FA (I would do that).
Didn't see you that?

No, that's not my oppinion.
All with the better car I would bet all my money for MS and for sure I wouldn't loose.

Luis, again I ask you to look at the time sheets lap-by-lap of all the races so far.
Now tell me who is consistently the fastest guy on track.
And it's not his fault that a Mercedes engine can't last a whole race or a whole weekend.
He is being paid to be the fastest out there and he is delivering
And he has won already 3 races and never I have seen him counting it by his fingers...
For sure they are, I never said anything different.
What I have said is that McLaren is a way better package in terms of pure speed an I even compared it with Ferrari.
I am sure you want and it very obvious that you can start to open the Moet Chandon bottles.
What exactly is supposed to be subtle or nonevident?
That Kimi blow his engines because he doesn't want to win races or because he wants to start from the back of the grid?
I'm sorry but I don't think I can buy that.
Of course he does, or (analogy) do you mean that every murderer's son is a murderer?
It's always a question of "your" choice and a question of education.
You can't separate both.
I'm sorry Luis but I don't quite understand this paragraph.
But have you ever heard Jean Todt or Ross Brown ask Barrichelo to let MS go by?
You haven't.
You can say that we hear many teams radio-comms but also that we almost never hear Renault/McLaren/Ferrari radio-comms.
And that could be the reason why we never heard JT or RB asking Rubens to let MS go by him.
And that's something that p**ses me off too.
But then I want to hear all the other teams too because I am quite sure that they do exactly the same.
Why did Ron pull JPM to the pits one lap after yellow flags in Canada?
To give Kimi the chance of winning it.
Am I seeing too much Spielberg movies here?
And maybe you were probably mentioning that you haven't seen GF slowing down other drivers during the race to let FA go and win it, if I understood it clearly.
But there's no need to do that. Other drivers have been doing that instead of GF.
Look at Trully that usually qualifies almost on Pole and then in the race he slows down everybody letting the guy in front go away.
Or look at MS this weekend slowing down Button and JPM.
And if I recall it correctly GF has only won 1 race this year and it was one of the 1st races of the season.
There is no point in asking somebody to slow down and let by someone else in the 1st race, is there?
And of course I would love to see a Spaniard or a Portuguese winning the championship but not FA after what he has shown me so far.
Cheers

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I would like to post some captures of F1 stuff, but I don't know if there is any legal problem, not only race segments but specially one video clip witha a song writen for Fernando Alonso.
Does somebody know if there is any problem?

Hi Luis,

If they are TV captures, from aired live races, I don't see any problems posting them
However, if they are from commercial DVDs, then that is a problem.
Just make sure the footage you are posting doesn't clearly say "Copyright bla bla bla, 200x"

-kwag

Thanks.

Well, I know that it is not a quality video, but it is very nice.
Enjoy it.
Is a video clip in spanish language.

Magic Alonso

Thanks Luis, I shall check it out.

Yeah I just watched Monza on Sunday and yet again this stupid rule of 10 places back if an engine is changed has robbed us the fans of a possible exciting wheel to wheel race.

I wish I knew which Moron thought of that retarded rule he has for me practically killed the sport and we have been robbed of so many potential battles this year.

I know you don't like Alonso Rui, but I think he is a very mature driver for his age. The way he held up Kimi enough to ruin hinder his chances of beating him and the professional manner in which he let him pass as he knew it was inevitable that Kimi would pass him having the faster car.

I was very happy that JPM won the race he deserved it after such an up and down season and the same goes to Fisichella, I am glad he got his podium place he also deserved it after a great drive.

I look forward to next weeks race at Spa Francorchamps this weekend it is one of my favourite on the calender and it a really smooth circuit.

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Michael.

Michael...I was gonna say a lot of bull.
But right before I post it I thought: what will I gain from posting this crap?
It won't do anything good for the sport.
So I'll use your own words: "I wish I knew which Moron thought of that retarded rule".
You see, if that moron had not thought of such a rule, Kimi would have started from pole and would evidently won the race and Alonso would have finished 3rd (I have a wonderful crystal ball ).
And there wouldn't have been any battle between Alonso and Kimi .
Now just think that appart from the mechanic failures on the McLaren Kimi has seen this "10 place on the grid" rule for 3 ocasions this season...
But what most amazes me is the bad luck Alonso had this race.
I mean, JPM's rear left tyre was supposed to have blown in the last couple of laps and Alonso should have won the race, right?
Can you imagine such a bad luck from Alonso
Why bother having the last 4 races if we can crown this guy right away

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It seems that all forget that rules are the same for all teams.
The rule is for give more oportunities to that teams that have not enough money to change engine when they wants.
McLaren is faster but bad.
Renault is slower but good.
Alonso does his job, put his car in the better position that his car can be,as McLaren are quickers, he said it in many opportunities, and put pressure over McLaren drivers. This time it was wrong, he doesn't put enough pressure on JPM, if he would do that, Im sure he would win the race.