I'm saying that a country that has lost millions of soldiers in a war that was provoked by many countries in europe, and which had a government that fled, and left its people alone, and went to exile before the war was over, and in which people have just started to learn the basic ideals of democracy, and so decided to build up a new government, under a new democratic system, shouldn't be left alone, by the big and powerful nations like america, the role model of democracy. Such a nation shouldn't be exploited and punished because this gives new extremely terrible and cruel leaders like Hitler the chance to start its propaghanda machine against democracy.
I'm not saying that the US or any other country than Germany itself caused WW2, because this would just be ridiculous. I'm just saying that a new formed democracy is very very unstable towards any crisises, and so every democratic country should help to stabalize it. that's what the USA did after WW2, because they have learned from the past. Economy was build up again by the help of the American Government to stabalize democracy in Germany.

much has already been discussed here. yet, i must put up my ponderings on the following points.

1. the US did not wait for the UN's decision before starting the war - but, when a few US POW's were shown on the iraqi / al-jazeera tv, they reminded the world of the geneva convention.

2. does any country has the moral / legal right to invade another country & formaly declare to oust a government ?

3. the US were in hot / cold war with russia & other countries behind the iron curtain for very long - one of the points being the communists oppress the opposition & denies the right to free media & speech. but now, the US is oppressing the media and any news that goes against the US interest. they are even asking different countries to oppress anti-US news in their media. why ?

4. iraq & north korea are terrorist countries. but what about israel ? why no word about them ?

1. the US did not wait for the UN's decision before starting the war - but, when a few US POW's were shown on the iraqi / al-jazeera tv, they reminded the world of the geneva convention.

In fact, the Geneva convention states that no POW can be paraded in a way which can put his life in jeporday, or can humiliate him. Both the US/UK and IRAQ have violated this by showing POWs on tv and in the Newspapers. The US in no way can go on about international law. Look at their discraseful actions against suspected terrorists at Camp XRay (in Cuba i think?). The US says the people were exempt from international law because they were terrorists (in fact - a huge number were wrongly suspected) and because Cuba doesn't accept the Geneva Convention.

I have a question of my own though - when America/UK forces attempt to assasinate Saddam or any of his Government Ministers is this not considered a Murderous act, keeping in mind that no international body considers this war to be 'lawful'.

Jim[/i]

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tons of wise in this "question of my own though " posted from jamesp:

" have a question of my own though - when America/UK forces attempt to assasinate Saddam or any of his Government Ministers is this not considered a Murderous act, keeping in mind that no international body considers this war to be 'lawful'."

:!:

Jeez, what's up with you people. Have you totally lost your minds. Making Saddam into some kind of saint. That same Saddam who invaded Iran and lost, he invaded Kuwait and lost, he gassed and killed >5000 kurds for no reason at all and you all only have praise for him. DON'T MAKE HIM INTO A HERO! I think that you anti-war folks is just as bad. I can't believe the narrowmindedness in this thread. I truly feel sorry for you. Enough from me. You lot makes me too sad inside.

(Think about this, the few perhaps 500 civilians who has lost their lives in this war would be nothing compared to the many Saddam would have killed of his own people who might have had a different opinion than him!)

P.S. I don't like Bush either. I think he's a poilitical disaster. Buyt I do wholeheartedly support this war agains Saddams regime.

P.P.S. The U.N. resolution 1441 does infact giving Iraq an ultimatum. Read it and stop wining about that U.S.A. and England hadn't mandate when they infact did.

hey freinds,

in this situation I believe we should do what ever is necessary

to rid the world of people such as saddam hussein, in my opinion,

because if not, they willl only think they can get away with a lil' more and

then lil' more.. he has starved his people to death, poisened them, has

had women raped in the streets, killing people for saying something

against him (a bit childish..) and for what?... in my opinion he is/was

a truly sick man though inteligent enough to keep it up all these years..

if you dont agree, that is fine, but hear this: if you were out on the streets

of iraq being afraid to speak and knowing you could be killed any moment

for pleasure of sadam and knowing of things he is capable of-you would

think again.. and custom may be custom and i know it is different there,

but murder of innocence cannot be tolerated, and niehter should he.

lata :)

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dood,,
that'd be another Forum all together....
and somewhere in the forum rules it states that
there's to be no WaterSports Forum.


:P

ztr

Hahaha!! Thats tha stuff! :wink:

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war is over?

please inform the news.

what is true,what is lie?
any strange bomb found?
sadan is dead?
the future of Irak...have future?
the people from this nation.
the opinion from people of others nations.
happy ending?
who win?
who loose?
how much money was needed?
Irak have to pay with petrol for this?
colonise Irak nation(and people) ?
George Bush is happy? (hairstyle again?) :lol:
and "Poney" Blair? :roll:
what more?

please, post the news
:!:

Jorel,

I think we should let this thread finish now to be honest. What happened cannot be changed, and at least Saddam is no more. Lets leave KVCD to Video etc from now on .....

Jim

jamesp, :wink:

i only want some news cos

i don't see tv or papers no more.

i stay all the time in forum or with the pc encoding kvcds :!:

:lol:

:bugeyes:

:lol: :lol:
:mrgreen:

Seriously, I think you should take a rest for a while. If you're too busy hanging around the forum to even watch the news or read the days newspaper, you're really close to crossing the red line :!:

What would that be :?: "The Twilight Zone" :mrgreen:
Ta ra ra ra, Ta ra ra ra ..... :lol:

-kwag

Don't we all know what happened to Jobe in "The Lawnmower Man" :lol:

Or "Tron" :lol:

Nope. Making the original objective of the war pointless.

Not sure... :?

It's now being slowly rebuilt, apparently.

Depends on what you class as "happy"...the people of Iraq have been liberated from Saddam, but at a heavy cost.

America.

Iraq.

Not quite sure offhand, but enough to prove any claims that there is not enough money to improve the world's health/education system entirely wrong.

Yep, Iraq's oil supply will now be used to feed America's requirements.

Maybe eventually.

Unfortunately yes, he went and got his oil, the fact that he had to destroy a much more defenceless nation is of course less important. :x

Probably he's happy too. :x :x


Overall, Iraq was pointlessly crushed. Saddam may be dead, but it was in my opinion not worth the destruction it caused.

PS: If anyone was hoping not to have any more discussion on this, I'm sorry, :? ...was just trying to answer jorel's questions..

Pyro where you not in the movie X-Men :?: :lol: