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Dialhot 06-06-2005 05:54 AM

DVDDecrypter is gone
 
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11914

Zyphon 06-06-2005 07:10 AM

This is a terribly sad day indeed, I think it is a disgrace that a corporation can bully the little people like this, mind you it's not like this type of bullying is a new thing. :evil:

I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.

DVD Decrypter was a great tool and will be soarly missed. It's a pity there was no release of the source code so someone else in another country could work on it. :)

R.I.P. Dear DVD Decrypter you will be sadly missed by so many of us. :(

Dialhot 06-06-2005 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.

Even for judges !
In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won :!:

Zyphon 06-06-2005 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.

Even for judges !
In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won :!:

I think that in France you have the right idea, a personal backup should be a right, after all I buy lots of Disney DVD's @ £17-£20 here in the U.K so you can bet your life I want to back them up and let my 2 and a half year old daughter handle the backup copy on a cheaper DVD+R rather let her mess up the original which is bloody expensive.

I have to admire the French they will stick together and go to court to protect their rights, here in the U.K we just moan and groan in our homes and in the pubs and just do as we are told even, when we are being ripped off. :(

I think paying a tax to companies like Virgin to secure your right to a backup is a good idea also.

Dialhot 06-06-2005 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I think paying a tax to companies like Virgin to secure your right to a backup is a good idea also.

Actually we did not ask for anything ! "They" (the governement) decided for us : anything that is supposed to store a ripped CD/DVD is under the tax. That is : CD-R / DVD-+R(W) but also HD :!: and now USB keys. And you pay for this even if you never put anything but personal data on them. For DVDs the tax is currently 1.56€ per disc !

rds_correia 06-06-2005 08:40 AM

Hi guys,
I wanted to post something meaninfull but I can't.
I just feel like I've been ripped off my rights.
I don't know why but I get the feeling that this is the begining of "the end".
Have you all gave a quick look at the http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net.
I don't even use MPlayer/MEncoder anymore, but we see many work out there with libavcodec, ac3enc, etc...
It all comes from the same place: FFmpeg.
Can you imagine living without VLC or Media Player Classic or etc...
Either judges open up their minds (and show us their filthy pockets :evil:) or we might as well sit back on the sofa and watch them dictate the end of our rights.
God damn it: I really can't believe this is happening.
Cheers mates

incredible 06-06-2005 08:53 AM

IMHO thats a software patent issue?!
If these Softwarepatent issues will become true .... I think the whole softwaresector will feel a little revolution and of cource the customer.

Dialhot 06-06-2005 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incredible
IMHO thats a software patent issue?!
If these Softwarepatent issues will become true .... I think the whole softwaresector will feel a little revolution and of cource the customer.

It is planed. But this page on ffmpeg site is not recent, or if it is, it is related to an old decision made by the UE parliament 2 month ago. Meanwhile a hotter potato fell in their hands (constitution treaty) and there will be time before this patent problem comes again in their mind ;)

danpos 06-06-2005 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed

Even for judges !

In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won :!:


In fact, from mind of judges ANY THING CAN GET OUT indeed ! Here in Brazil the same occurs and the worst is that there is several instances where ALL CAN HAPPEN!! grrrrrrrr

My wife is studying at School of Magistracy at Rio de Janeiro and there, where must to be the "house of justice" is the place where occurs the bigger arbitrariness 8O ...

BTW, a minute silence for "death" of DVDDecrypter.

kwag 06-06-2005 10:38 AM

Damn :!: what a sucking news :(
Oh well, guess there will be a revolution on the net, and we'll have new decrypters VERY soon.
Anyone remember what happened with the file sharing world when Napster was shut down :?:
It was a new dawn for file sharing programs, and I believe the same will happen now (very shortly!) with new decryption programs ;)

-kwag

Dialhot 06-06-2005 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danpos
In fact, from mind of judges ANY THING CAN GET OUT indeed ! Here in Brazil the same occurs and the worst is that there is several instances where ALL CAN HAPPEN!! grrrrrrrr

I France things are a little more complicated because CD are under intellectual property's laws (like books) and DVD(-video) are under industrial property's laws (like softwares).
Don't ask me why...

Zyphon 06-06-2005 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Actually we did not ask for anything ! "They" (the governement) decided for us : anything that is supposed to store a ripped CD/DVD is under the tax. That is : CD-R / DVD-+R(W) but also HD :!: and now USB keys. And you pay for this even if you never put anything but personal data on them. For DVDs the tax is currently 1.56€ per disc !

Well that is not really fair then, paying extra tax on HD and USB keys. Just another excuse for Government to rip you off further.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Damn :!: what a sucking news :(
Oh well, guess there will be a revolution on the net, and we'll have new decrypters VERY soon.
Anyone remember what happened with the file sharing world when Napster was shut down :?:
It was a new dawn for file sharing programs, and I believe the same will happen now (very shortly!) with new decryption programs ;)

-kwag

I hope you are right about this Karl, I really do as it a blow to the community losing such an important piece of software, an open source project would be best that way someone can pick up the pieces if development is stopped.

I have faith that someone in the community will come to the rescue soon as make a new revolution and start a dawn of a new era. :D

rds_correia 06-06-2005 02:52 PM

It's a pitty LIGHTNING uk didn't publish his sources sometime ago.
Because if he does so now, he will only be asking them to kick him harder :(.
:RIP: DVD Decrypter :sad:

Zyphon 06-06-2005 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rds_correia
It's a pitty LIGHTNING uk didn't publish his sources sometime ago.
Because if he does so now, he will only be asking them to kick him harder :(.
:RIP: DVD Decrypter :sad:

Yeah I agree Rui, if he did we would be fine, but alas he never, so he cannot unfortunately.

It would have been great if he made it opensource some time ago.

kwag 06-06-2005 08:01 PM

It's time for more forums and web sites to start showing up on I2P :idea:
I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of (short) time ;)
http://www.i2p.net

-kwag

black prince 06-06-2005 08:55 PM

Now I'm beginning to understand the importance of open-source
development vs commercial. With many open-source developers
in various countries, a few governments can not dictate what is
legal and shut down any new ideas. I wish L-UK the best and encourage
open-source development to keep ideas flowing.

http://www.opensource.org/

-BP

kwag 06-06-2005 09:02 PM

I think that our best alternative right now is CladDVD.NET ;)
http://www.clonead.co.uk/
Direct software kink: http://www.clonead.pwp.blueyonder.co...T%20v3.5.6.zip

-kwag

heyitsme 06-07-2005 12:00 AM

Looks like i will have to backup my copy of dvd decrypter so i never never never lose it. Cause when you dont backup stuff, you lose important software like movie stacker :( . I regret reformatting my hd. no i have to do all my scripts the non lazy way. What a bummer that we are losing dvd decrypter too.

Zyphon 06-07-2005 04:49 AM

I have used cladDVD before but I always preffered DVD Decrypter as it had more features and was inho the best ripper about. CladDVD to me was a poor man's DVD Decrypter. :D

Btw what ever happened to SmartRipper? I used to use that way back when, when I used to back up my DVD's to DivX in the old days. :D

I heard that they were going to completely re-write the code and improve it but we never saw an update, a shame as I did like that ripper when it first came out.

Mind you with the demise of DVD Decrypter I guess clad will become king of rippers, at least until someone else makes another ripper. At least we still have that for now. :)

rds_correia 06-07-2005 05:19 AM

Hi there,
I still had my doubts if these news about DVDDecrypter were official and if we should give them any credit.
But now we have clear evidence: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...5&postcount=63.
You all know I'm not a fan of Doom9 the character.
I've never been and most probably I will never be.
But I have to give the man credit when he does/says something right.
It's only a fair move from him to say that if he had the sources he would release them :).
On the other hand he clearly states that news we've seen on CDRFreaks are true :(.
Oh man! This is very depressing...
It resembles the times when we had to let go on Moviestaker :sad:.
It's just not fair!
I'll tell you: I never EVER liked Sony products.
But from now on, even if I like a Sony product, I'm sure I won't buy it!
Cheers mates

Dialhot 06-07-2005 05:24 AM

May I remember to anyone that DVDShrink can be used as a ripper ?
Even if some app do not like it (DVD-RB for instance).

Note: It's funny to see companies hunting free softwares and letting Nero Recode to be SOLD widely.

Zyphon 06-07-2005 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
May I remember to anyone that DVDShrink can be used as a ripper ?
Even if some app do not like it (DVD-RB for instance).

Note: It's funny to see companies hunting free softwares and letting Nero Recode to be SOLD widely.

Hi Phil,

Doesn't Shrink require that you have DVD Decrypter installed? The reason I ask I remember when first installing Shrink it said you must configure DVD Decrypter to select all files before using Shrink.

rds_correia 06-07-2005 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
I think that our best alternative right now is CladDVD.NET ;)
http://www.clonead.co.uk/
Direct software kink: http://www.clonead.pwp.blueyonder.co...T%20v3.5.6.zip
-kwag

Bahh :lol:,
It may be very good but now I remember why I don't use it: it needs .NET to run :?.
I hate .NET/JAVA/etc...I hate it I hate it I hate it :).
Just kidding.
But to be honest I not a fan of .NET.
Just why don't "they" code under good old c++ anymore?
Cheers

Zyphon 06-07-2005 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rds_correia
I'll tell you: I never EVER liked Sony products.
But from now on, even if I like a Sony product, I'm sure I won't buy it!
Cheers mates

I agree Sony SAPs and DVD Burners are a complete pile of rubbish imo. I won't touch anything with the words Sony on it and that itcludes it's Playstation consoles.

Years ago I was on a college course to repair TV/VCR's and our tutor even said way back then not to buy Sony VCR's as they give out plenty of problems, that has always stuck in my mind.

Yes losing MS was another blow to this community also it was a fantastic piece of software. :(

Dialhot 06-07-2005 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
Doesn't Shrink require that you have DVD Decrypter installed? The reason I ask I remember when first installing Shrink it said you must configure DVD Decrypter to select all files before using Shrink.

For sure not. This is to inform you that if you use DVDShrink to read outputs from DVDDecryptern then this one must be set to "File" mode and not "Ifo mode". Or it's a very old message coming from first releases of Shrink that did not include the decrypter part.

kwag 06-07-2005 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
May I remember to anyone that DVDShrink can be used as a ripper ?

Until you try to rip one of the newest "Columbia Pictures" DVDs, and you'll see how sorry it fails miserably :!:
The latest version of DVDDecrypter took care of that issue.

-kwag

kwag 06-07-2005 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rds_correia
I hate .NET/JAVA/etc...I hate it I hate it I hate it :).

So do I :!:
And I'm not kidding :twisted:

-kwag

Dialhot 06-07-2005 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
May I remember to anyone that DVDShrink can be used as a ripper ?

Until you try to rip one of the newest "Columbia Pictures" DVDs, and you'll see how sorry it fails miserably :!:
The latest version of DVDDecrypter took care of that issue.

I was sure someone will tell that ;-) I did not tell that DVDShrink can replace DVDDecrypter 8)
Note: DVD4Free should also rip such discs.

kwag 06-07-2005 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Note: DVD4Free should also rip such discs.

Are you sure of that :?:
Because those DVDs can't be ripped with any ripper, except DVDDecrypter :!:
I tried a couple of the "Columbia" DVSs with CladDVD and other rippers, and the only one successful was the latest DVDDecrypter.

-kwag

Zyphon 06-08-2005 03:39 PM

I hate using .NET as well and im also disappointed that Clad uses this framework. :(

@Kwag & Phil


Thanks for the info on Shrink btw. :)

Decrypter was king though. :(

Dialhot 06-08-2005 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
Note: DVD4Free should also rip such discs.

Are you sure of that :?:

I never tried, I just read that somewhere on the net.
Everything that is on the Internet is true, isn't it ? :D

kwag 06-08-2005 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
I never tried, I just read that somewhere on the net.
Everything that is on the Internet is true, isn't it ? :D

Well, some times :lol:
I just tried DVD43, and it worked like charm :!:
I just opened the files on a DVD, dragged a couple of VOBs to my hard drive, and then I played them with VLC :D

-kwag

rds_correia 06-08-2005 08:23 PM

So it is true after all :D :!: Everything they say on the internet is really true :D :lol:

fingerbob 06-09-2005 05:03 AM

I thought I'd copy here a couple of posts I made on this topic over on the DIKO forums. I'm just trying to get a better understanding of how the legality issue works...

Quote:

Hey guys

Am I perhaps missing a vital point here?

Surely DVDDecrypter is just a piece of software written by a guy who happens to live in the UK. He doesn't charge for the use of the software, therefore it remains just a toy of his. The only issue I can see is that it is being hosted on a UK domain/server and UK law doesn't like what he's offering? Can he not get someone to host it outside the UK if (for example) its still permissable in France (according to Dialhot)?

The actual usage of the software is the same worldwide. But if its not allowed to be hosted in the UK, can he not just host it on a foreign site?

Sorry if I'm missing something here.
and

Quote:

Which copyright law would he be in breach of exactly? Some UK law? That wouldn't matter to anyone hosting the software in a country other than the UK.

Is there any component of his software which incorporates some other copyrighted software? If so, then surely DVD Decrypter was already in breach of these laws. If not, then its all his own code and noone can touch him.

Even though its not open-source, I'm sure that (considering the need and demand for this kind of software) someone will find a way to reverse engineer the software so that it doesn't offend any external companies. They are only complaining anyway cos it enables DVD's to be copied when they don't want that.

Dialhot 06-09-2005 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fingerbob
Which copyright law would he be in breach of exactly?

The encrypting model used on the DVD is registered worldwide. Using a tool to crack it break the laws in any place on Earth.

That's the basis of the trials launched in France : companies are been sued to put something on their disc that puts people in the necessity to break the law (to crack the code) in order to access to the rights granted to them by an other law (the "private copy"'s law)

rds_correia 06-09-2005 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialhot
That's the basis of the trials launched in France : companies are been sued to put something on their disc that puts people in the necessity to break the law (to crack the code) in order to access to the rights granted to them by an other law (the "private copy"'s law)

Now, that's the spirit :!:
Let me just say that this paragraph is extremely interesting and that people should fight for their rights.

kwag 06-09-2005 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I hate using .NET as well ...

Of topic:
Tell me about it :!:
At work, we're currently re-writing a huge .NET application in Python ;)
We're trying to make the business a "Microsoft Free Environment" :mrgreen:

-kwag

Zyphon 06-09-2005 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zyphon
I hate using .NET as well ...

Of topic:
Tell me about it :!:
At work, we're currently re-writing a huge .NET application in Python ;)
We're trying to make the business a "Microsoft Free Environment" :mrgreen:

-kwag

[OT]
Amen to that, Python rules! :D I don't like the way MS has made it so you need to install a seperate framework to get your apps working I call that bad or lazy programming, that is why I preferred Delphi (before Python came out of course) you could make an app without the necessity to force users to install a seperate framework to get it going.

I wish you guys luck in removing the unnecessary framework. :)
[/OT]

black prince 06-30-2005 07:00 AM

@All,

Has anyone tried DVDFab :?:

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/DVDFab.htm

-BP

Dialhot 06-30-2005 08:04 AM

Did not have to test it yet but :
http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....ghlight=dvdfab


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