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This is a terribly sad day indeed, I think it is a disgrace that a corporation can bully the little people like this, mind you it's not like this type of bullying is a new thing.

I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.

DVD Decrypter was a great tool and will be soarly missed. It's a pity there was no release of the source code so someone else in another country could work on it.

R.I.P. Dear DVD Decrypter you will be sadly missed by so many of us.
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06-06-2005, 07:16 AM
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I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.
Even for judges !
In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won
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I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed this to happen I thought you had the right to make a legal backup of DVD's that you own although I know that is a grey area and it can be miss-used by some people.
Even for judges !
In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won
I think that in France you have the right idea, a personal backup should be a right, after all I buy lots of Disney DVD's @ £17-£20 here in the U.K so you can bet your life I want to back them up and let my 2 and a half year old daughter handle the backup copy on a cheaper DVD+R rather let her mess up the original which is bloody expensive.

I have to admire the French they will stick together and go to court to protect their rights, here in the U.K we just moan and groan in our homes and in the pubs and just do as we are told even, when we are being ripped off.

I think paying a tax to companies like Virgin to secure your right to a backup is a good idea also.
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06-06-2005, 07:37 AM
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I think paying a tax to companies like Virgin to secure your right to a backup is a good idea also.
Actually we did not ask for anything ! "They" (the governement) decided for us : anything that is supposed to store a ripped CD/DVD is under the tax. That is : CD-R / DVD-+R(W) but also HD and now USB keys. And you pay for this even if you never put anything but personal data on them. For DVDs the tax is currently 1.56€ per disc !
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Hi guys,
I wanted to post something meaninfull but I can't.
I just feel like I've been ripped off my rights.
I don't know why but I get the feeling that this is the begining of "the end".
Have you all gave a quick look at the http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net.
I don't even use MPlayer/MEncoder anymore, but we see many work out there with libavcodec, ac3enc, etc...
It all comes from the same place: FFmpeg.
Can you imagine living without VLC or Media Player Classic or etc...
Either judges open up their minds (and show us their filthy pockets ) or we might as well sit back on the sofa and watch them dictate the end of our rights.
God damn it: I really can't believe this is happening.
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IMHO thats a software patent issue?!
If these Softwarepatent issues will become true .... I think the whole softwaresector will feel a little revolution and of cource the customer.
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IMHO thats a software patent issue?!
If these Softwarepatent issues will become true .... I think the whole softwaresector will feel a little revolution and of cource the customer.
It is planed. But this page on ffmpeg site is not recent, or if it is, it is related to an old decision made by the UE parliament 2 month ago. Meanwhile a hotter potato fell in their hands (constitution treaty) and there will be time before this patent problem comes again in their mind
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I'm surprised that the U.K has allowed

Even for judges !

In France, the private copy is a right, as is the "personnal backup". We even pay a tax on virgin media for that. Consumers actions have been done in court against music editors and DVD editors (they both put system on their disc to prevent such copy) : the one for CD has been lost, the one for DVD won
In fact, from mind of judges ANY THING CAN GET OUT indeed ! Here in Brazil the same occurs and the worst is that there is several instances where ALL CAN HAPPEN!! grrrrrrrr

My wife is studying at School of Magistracy at Rio de Janeiro and there, where must to be the "house of justice" is the place where occurs the bigger arbitrariness ...

BTW, a minute silence for "death" of DVDDecrypter.
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Damn what a sucking news
Oh well, guess there will be a revolution on the net, and we'll have new decrypters VERY soon.
Anyone remember what happened with the file sharing world when Napster was shut down
It was a new dawn for file sharing programs, and I believe the same will happen now (very shortly!) with new decryption programs

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In fact, from mind of judges ANY THING CAN GET OUT indeed ! Here in Brazil the same occurs and the worst is that there is several instances where ALL CAN HAPPEN!! grrrrrrrr
I France things are a little more complicated because CD are under intellectual property's laws (like books) and DVD(-video) are under industrial property's laws (like softwares).
Don't ask me why...
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Actually we did not ask for anything ! "They" (the governement) decided for us : anything that is supposed to store a ripped CD/DVD is under the tax. That is : CD-R / DVD-+R(W) but also HD and now USB keys. And you pay for this even if you never put anything but personal data on them. For DVDs the tax is currently 1.56€ per disc !
Well that is not really fair then, paying extra tax on HD and USB keys. Just another excuse for Government to rip you off further.

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Damn what a sucking news
Oh well, guess there will be a revolution on the net, and we'll have new decrypters VERY soon.
Anyone remember what happened with the file sharing world when Napster was shut down
It was a new dawn for file sharing programs, and I believe the same will happen now (very shortly!) with new decryption programs

-kwag
I hope you are right about this Karl, I really do as it a blow to the community losing such an important piece of software, an open source project would be best that way someone can pick up the pieces if development is stopped.

I have faith that someone in the community will come to the rescue soon as make a new revolution and start a dawn of a new era.
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It's a pitty LIGHTNING uk didn't publish his sources sometime ago.
Because if he does so now, he will only be asking them to kick him harder .
:RIP: DVD Decrypter
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It's a pitty LIGHTNING uk didn't publish his sources sometime ago.
Because if he does so now, he will only be asking them to kick him harder .
:RIP: DVD Decrypter
Yeah I agree Rui, if he did we would be fine, but alas he never, so he cannot unfortunately.

It would have been great if he made it opensource some time ago.
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06-06-2005, 08:01 PM
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It's time for more forums and web sites to start showing up on I2P
I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of (short) time
http://www.i2p.net

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Now I'm beginning to understand the importance of open-source
development vs commercial. With many open-source developers
in various countries, a few governments can not dictate what is
legal and shut down any new ideas. I wish L-UK the best and encourage
open-source development to keep ideas flowing.

http://www.opensource.org/

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I think that our best alternative right now is CladDVD.NET
http://www.clonead.co.uk/
Direct software kink: http://www.clonead.pwp.blueyonder.co...T%20v3.5.6.zip

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Looks like i will have to backup my copy of dvd decrypter so i never never never lose it. Cause when you dont backup stuff, you lose important software like movie stacker . I regret reformatting my hd. no i have to do all my scripts the non lazy way. What a bummer that we are losing dvd decrypter too.
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I have used cladDVD before but I always preffered DVD Decrypter as it had more features and was inho the best ripper about. CladDVD to me was a poor man's DVD Decrypter.

Btw what ever happened to SmartRipper? I used to use that way back when, when I used to back up my DVD's to DivX in the old days.

I heard that they were going to completely re-write the code and improve it but we never saw an update, a shame as I did like that ripper when it first came out.

Mind you with the demise of DVD Decrypter I guess clad will become king of rippers, at least until someone else makes another ripper. At least we still have that for now.
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Hi there,
I still had my doubts if these news about DVDDecrypter were official and if we should give them any credit.
But now we have clear evidence: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...5&postcount=63.
You all know I'm not a fan of Doom9 the character.
I've never been and most probably I will never be.
But I have to give the man credit when he does/says something right.
It's only a fair move from him to say that if he had the sources he would release them .
On the other hand he clearly states that news we've seen on CDRFreaks are true .
Oh man! This is very depressing...
It resembles the times when we had to let go on Moviestaker .
It's just not fair!
I'll tell you: I never EVER liked Sony products.
But from now on, even if I like a Sony product, I'm sure I won't buy it!
Cheers mates
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