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I'm working with Shrek (4:3 NTSC Film ~90mins). With 704x576, min bitrate 500, CQ 45 I got it right below 800MB. This is still with small black bars on top and bottom though. I test with a 10 min fast/slow action segment. I will check out Kwag's PAL templates to check differences out next.
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Ive tried the PAL tempate as well, and got the same thing on the apex 1500... I am too stumped by the letterbox format that plays when you do this though. I was told to screw around with the aspect ratio with a customized size..

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BTW. . when you play the CD do you have to make the dvd player go back to NTSC? I have too...
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06-25-2002, 08:23 AM
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I can get KVCD at 352x480 SVCD with 3:2 pulldown to work. Just make sure you select "MPEG-2 Super VideoCD (VBR)" under the System tab. This keeps your burner from padding too much.

I also get KVCDx2 704x576 VCD to work. This gives not full picture. If I select "4:3 625 line (PAL)" under Aspect Ratio, I can get full screen. Don't know yet if I'm chopping part of the movie or not. File size is bigger too.

I have to compare the two next to see which is better quality.
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06-27-2002, 09:25 PM
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The bloody thing works now.. My apex 1500 will plays Kwag KVCDx2 Ntscfilm.. if i change the rez to 704x576 and like sterogers said change the aspect ratio to 4:3 625 line (pal) as well... Thats where i was wrong the last time.. Thank You.. Thank You..

Now all i have to do is test it on a full movie. Ive been doin clips and samples. The only other thing that i worry about now is the file size. Im one of those people who likes to get the most for my meg!!

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The bloody thing works now.. My apex 1500 will plays Kwag KVCDx2 Ntscfilm.. if i change the rez to 704x576 and like sterogers said change the aspect ratio to 4:3 625 line (pal) as well... Thats where i was wrong the last time.. Thank You.. Thank You..
And that works for an NTSC machine?
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07-03-2002, 11:12 PM
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Afterv reading this forum and alot of experimentation, this is how i get the best quality (in my opinion) kvcd for my Apex 1500.

First of I load up Kwags kvcd x 2 template (704x480)
Next I change the framerate to 29.97fps.
Ill put the CQ at 70 (usually)
I make sure the p and b frame spoilage is set at 0,0 respectively
I make sure that the detect scene changes is not checked
Ill load up the default svcd quantize matrix and use that
I use 48000hz audio and encode at 48000hz, 192kbs, dual channel(The apex 1500 will handle it)

I dont use IVTC, fit cd, avisynhth, temporal smoother, or anything else thats fancy. I keep it real simple.

When the mpg is finished I demultipelx it in TMPGEnc

Then I remux as a SVCD in bbmpg (I uncheck add svcd offsets and alling sequence headers)

Ill burn it in nero as a svcd with the standart compliant unchecked.

What this gives me is about 50-80mins of SWEET, sweet quality video, excellent audio all on 1 80min cd.

Thats what I do and It plays great on my apex 1500

Also, Ive experimented and found that as long as I use 29.97fps and remux as a svcd in bbmpg, the apex 1500 will play without problem, resolutions such as 352x240. 352x480, 480x480, 704x480, and of course720x480.

I LOVE MY APEX 1500, AND I LOVE THIS FORUM

I like to think of this forum as an excellent laborutory manual. Thank you to all who have contributed!
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07-04-2002, 07:12 AM
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Ill load up the default svcd quantize matrix and use that
Why the default (no numbers selected?) over the KVCD numbers. Also why not the MPEG option?

Why demultiplex it? I find the resolutions work fine on my APEX 1500. Though I have burned the HACK rom into it and my APEX 1000.
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07-04-2002, 07:39 AM
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I make sure the p and b frame spoilage is set at 0,0 respectively
Why?
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I make sure that the detect scene changes is not checked
Why?
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07-04-2002, 11:31 AM
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Reman:

Yeah it works for my apex 1500.. The apex 1500 has a feature on the remote where you can switch from Pal/Ntsc/Multi..

When i pop in the disc and it starts the play the screw is all screwed.. Then I press the pal/ntsc button and it switches to Ntsc and plays perfectly fine. Odd eh?

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07-04-2002, 11:42 AM
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Ill load up the default svcd quantize matrix and use that
Why the default (no numbers selected?) over the KVCD numbers. Also why not the MPEG option?

Why demultiplex it? I find the resolutions work fine on my APEX 1500. Though I have burned the HACK rom into it and my APEX 1000.

I find that (for my eyes) the default svcd quantize matrix gives me a better picture than the mpg or Andreas matrix.

Occasionaly if I dont demultiplex and remux as a svcd, the apex will not play my video. (althought I found no need to do this with the 352x240 or 704x480 resolutions. It seems to play those resolutions fine as a mpg-1 vcd)
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I make sure the p and b frame spoilage is set at 0,0 respectively
Why?
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I make sure that the detect scene changes is not checked
Why?
The reason I put the p and b picdture spoilage to 0,0 is because I have found that otherwise(0,20 or whatever else) I get vertical glitch line artifacts in my video that I find irritating.

I make sure that the detect scene change is not checked because I find it unnessesary using a large gop 1-18-3-1-48.

Keep in mind that I use these settings with video quality as the main objective and small filesize as the secondary objective. I take quality as the priority.
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07-05-2002, 12:30 PM
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Yes, the 352x240 or 704x480 resolutions work fine on 1500 and 1000. I found it hard to work with odd formats. Like a 360x240! The video must have been done thinking it was half of 720.

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"You must Demux/Remux as SVCD". How is this accomplished?

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Hi sterogers:

The 1500 works, as reported by many users.
You must Demux/Remux as SVCD. Use joint stereo in X2.
I don't have a 1500, so I can't test it

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"You must Demux/Remux as SVCD". How is this accomplished?

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Hi sterogers:

The 1500 works, as reported by many users.
You must Demux/Remux as SVCD. Use joint stereo in X2.
I don't have a 1500, so I can't test it

kwag
Hi Cambridge:

Here's the thread: http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....6ca4c1a618f708

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07-10-2002, 07:54 AM
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What did you do to get 704x480 working on your 1500. Won't work on mine. I get audio skips. Tried demux/remux too. No avail.
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What did you do to get 704x480 working on your 1500. Won't work on mine. I get audio skips. Tried demux/remux too. No avail.
Well...easy! change the 23fps to 29 fps. I encode with 128 sound. I also use 1150 to 1750 for max bit rates. Depends on the movie. Typical is 1550.

I like the 704x480 due to really high quality output. My main problem now is an illegal floating point error. See new post.
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07-10-2002, 01:21 PM
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I remember trying that a while back. I got slight video skips, if I recall correctly. I ended up doing 480x480 SVCDs. That way, I could use 3:2 pulldown. Works good. I would like to get other formats/resolutions working for testing purposes though. I am trying to get the best possible quality onto 1 CD.

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I remember trying that a while back. I got slight video skips, if I recall correctly. I ended up doing 480x480 SVCDs. That way, I could use 3:2 pulldown. Works good. I would like to get other formats/resolutions working for testing purposes though. I am trying to get the best possible quality onto 1 CD.
Please try it again! It works!

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I ended up doing 480x480 SVCDs. That way, I could use 3:2 pulldown.
Why do that?
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07-10-2002, 01:39 PM
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Will try again. Got results written down at home though.

Going to 29.97 fps adds substantial filesize. With SVCD, I can keep 23.97 fps and use 3:2 pulldown to keep my filesizes down. Again, my intentions are to keep each DVD ripped movie onto 1 CD with the best quality.
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07-10-2002, 08:16 PM
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Yes, the size does goes up but for the APEX 1000 and 1500 it solved my "audio skips" problem. Really, 5 years ago, DVD players SHOULD have started to use DivX. I have done some GREAT 120 min movies that are 750mb! Oh well!
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