Quantcast KDVD Standalone Compatibility Samples - digitalFAQ.com Forums [Archives]
  #1  
02-22-2004, 04:35 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hi all,

You always wonder what are the capabilities of your standalone regarding to KDVD ? I also do.

So, I compiled a "KDVD Samples" volume. This DVD contains a movie sample about 1'20" long encoded in :

#1 - 352*288 MPEG2 - 4/3
#2 - 352*576 MPEG2 - 16/9
#3 - 480*576 MPEG2 - 16/9
#4 - 544*576 MPEG2 - 16/9
#5 - 704*576 MPEG2 - 16/9
#6 - 704*576 MPEG2 - 16/9 - LONG GOP (25 insteed of 15)

The NTSC volume contains a 43' long video encoded in :

#1 - 352*240 MPEG2 - 4/3
#2 - 352*480 MPEG2 - 16/9
#3 - 480*480 MPEG2 - 16/9
#4 - 544*480 MPEG2 - 16/9
#5 - 704*480 MPEG2 - 16/9
#6 - 704*480 MPEG2 - 16/9 - LONG GOP (25 insteed of 15)

All samples where done with the same script, using CCE (with Vmesquita template) except for the last one that was done with TMPGENC. This way you can compare also the two encoders if you want to

Last : I adapted the Q factor (or CQ for last one) of each sample in order to have exactly the same filesize. That means that all samples above lead the same target size on the end. So you can compare too the visual quality of each resolution for a given target !

I put the sample on edonkey :

KDVD Standalone Compatibility Samples - PAL.rar (141.01 MB)
KDVD Standalone Compatibility Samples - NTSC.rar (61.27 MB)

I also put them under Konspire, into my own channel KVCD.net - Dialhot's channel.

Note1: sample #1 is actually 4:3 but declared as 16:9 by the authoring software (DVD-lab) that couldn't mix both 4:3 and 16:9 on the same disc.

Note2 : audio is 128 Kbit/s - MP2 but it does not really matter.

FINAL NOTE : My standalone (pioneer D454) plays everything . I'm quite sure a lot of standalones will do.
Reply With Quote
Someday, 12:01 PM
admin's Avatar
Site Staff / Ad Manager
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 42
Thanks: ∞
Thanked 42 Times in 42 Posts
  #2  
02-22-2004, 07:39 AM
vmesquita vmesquita is offline
Invalid Email / Banned / Spammer
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 3,726
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Dialhot,

This was really a great idea, now everyone can know what their stand-alones are up to in DVD. But just one side note: the official KDVD uses standard resolutions/GOP. I believe it's important to make this statement because a lot of people in the past have not used KVCD for it being non-standard, and now in KDVD, you can keep the standard and yet have very high quality (and minutes) on DVD. And of course, if the player supports non-standard resolutions... Let the fun begin.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
02-22-2004, 07:46 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by vmesquita
the official KDVD uses standard resolutions/GOP
For sure, that is why I add also a test with non standard GOP, encoded with tmpgenc.

Because if your standalone support all the resolutions (like my TWO ones, I just did test on the Philips DV737) and the long GOP _and_ if you did you KVCD in MPEG2 then you can put all your old KVCD on a DVD simply by resampling the audio to 48 khz

Next test to do : check standalone capabilities with MPEG1 streams !
Reply With Quote
  #4  
02-22-2004, 08:02 AM
andybno1 andybno1 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Liverpool, UK
Posts: 832
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via MSN to andybno1 Send a message via Yahoo to andybno1
just a shame the file is so big with me bein on dialup its fifficult to get hold of it, an when I went to download the file i got no sources.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
02-22-2004, 08:12 AM
incredible incredible is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 3,189
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to incredible
Wow! Phil, that image is really big!

But anyway, nice Idea and thanks for your work!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
02-22-2004, 08:52 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by incredible
Wow! Phil, that image is really big!
I wanted to test the new official DL channel for KVCD but didn't manage to make it work yet. Kwag just gave me some hints and I will test as soon as my current DL are finished (within an hour)

BTW I will make a smaller NTSC project.

Note : it is not an image but a VIDEO_TS directory that you have to burn with whatever you use to.

@andy
I'm on razorbak2 as server and you can find ly source there. For the next 23 hours, the direct link to my PC will be :

ed2k://|file|KDVD.Standalone.Compatibility.Samples.-.PAL.rar|147855357|1AD1FAAF7D927FDEA26E8C0F2F39393 0|/|sources,81.51.27.129:4892|/

Edit: I put it on konspire. Under "KVCD.net - Dialhot's channel".
I hope I understood how this stuff works
Reply With Quote
  #7  
02-22-2004, 11:01 AM
andybno1 andybno1 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Liverpool, UK
Posts: 832
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via MSN to andybno1 Send a message via Yahoo to andybno1
I'm not using edonkey as I can never seem to get it connected to the net but I am using a program called shareaza which can handle edonkey links and I finally got sources for it to download from woo hoo hehehehe
Reply With Quote
  #8  
02-22-2004, 11:17 AM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot

Edit: I put it on konspire. Under "KVCD.net - Dialhot's channel".
I hope I understood how this stuff works
Did you set your broadcast to "Continuous"
Because I still can't see the channel

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #9  
02-22-2004, 11:27 AM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
@Kwag
Yes I do.

@Andy
I'm currently uploading to a mysterious AndyB on Shareazaa
I set you a friend slot. So you will continue to UL till the end of the file (as you are my only client at the moment :-p))
Reply With Quote
  #10  
02-22-2004, 12:06 PM
andybno1 andybno1 is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Liverpool, UK
Posts: 832
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Send a message via MSN to andybno1 Send a message via Yahoo to andybno1
whos to say thats me well it says about 8 - 10 hrs to download the file so that should be fun
Reply With Quote
  #11  
02-22-2004, 12:16 PM
Lagoon Lagoon is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 41
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Hum gotta try that 544x576 as I have a pioneer DV444 it may works , 528x576 didnt though.

I've tried MPEG1 480x576 and it works fine on DVD
Reply With Quote
  #12  
02-22-2004, 01:44 PM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot

Edit: I put it on konspire. Under "KVCD.net - Dialhot's channel".
Subscribed and downloading

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #13  
02-22-2004, 09:13 PM
jorel jorel is offline
Invalid Email / Banned / Spammer
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Brasil - MG - third stone from the sun
Posts: 5,570
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
wonderful idea Phil!

waiting for ntsc samples!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
02-23-2004, 02:25 PM
Critter Critter is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 36
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Nice !! I made miniDVD from that and my Philips 728 played all samples !
Reply With Quote
  #15  
02-23-2004, 06:51 PM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Critter
Nice !! I made miniDVD from that and my Philips 728 played all samples !
Wouaw ! SOme standalones can REALLY eat everything
Reply With Quote
  #16  
02-23-2004, 06:58 PM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
@Dialhot,

Just checked my subscriptions, and your "channel", and I see the file "KDVD Standalone Compatibility Samples - NTSC.rar" being downloaded
File size 62,745.50 so that should be here later tonight ( because I'm also running MUTE with about 20 download streams )

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #17  
02-23-2004, 06:59 PM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
NTSC SAMPLES ARE HERE !

I edited my first post - go read it for details.
Karl, can you turn this post into a "Announce" or "Sticky" post ? Thank you. Or perhaps put a message under "What's happening"
Reply With Quote
  #18  
02-23-2004, 07:00 PM
Dialhot Dialhot is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 10,463
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwag
@Dialhot,

Just checked my subscriptions, and your "channel", and I see the file "KDVD Standalone Compatibility Samples - NTSC.rar" being downloaded
I didn't even have the time to post a message

Note: tell me if there is an error because I didn't have the time to test it on the standalone. I just whatched the result on the PC.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
02-23-2004, 07:05 PM
kwag kwag is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Puerto Rico, USA
Posts: 13,537
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dialhot
I didn't even have the time to post a message
I know
That's how fast it works
The download started automatically
It's already 10% done

-kwag
Reply With Quote
  #20  
02-23-2004, 07:06 PM
rds_correia rds_correia is offline
Free Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Chinese Democracy starts now!
Posts: 2,563
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Damn, Now I understand why the i-net has been so slow on the last couple of days
__________________
Rui
Reply With Quote
Reply




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
KDVD: Which encoder is 100% compatible with standalone players ? sparskter Video Encoding and Conversion 7 03-21-2006 08:59 AM
Perfect Site for Free Hosting of S/KVCD/KDVD Samples fragmaster170 Computers 1 10-25-2004 06:49 PM
KDVD: max compatibility with dvd players? rob1 Players, DVRs, Media Centers 3 07-01-2003 09:19 AM
KDVD: Kdvd half-d1 compatibility? BlueBeard Video Encoding and Conversion 5 03-17-2003 10:23 PM
kvcd: IVTC more compatibility with standalone DVD players? hudsonhawk Players, DVRs, Media Centers 1 02-14-2003 01:08 PM

Thread Tools



 
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:24 PM  —  vBulletin Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd