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01-07-2003, 03:40 PM
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Is it possible to put caption?

Is it the same? Caption and Subtitle?

From what I understand is that sub-titles are the ones you can control with your DVD player and CAPTIONS are the one you control from your TV.

I want the CAPTIONS so I can turn it on and off from the TV. Is this possible with KVCD?

Or if not possible with CAPTION, how about SUBTITLE that can be turned on and off from the DVD player?

Please Help.
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I want the CAPTIONS so I can turn it on and off from the TV. Is this possible with KVCD?

Or if not possible with CAPTION, how about SUBTITLE that can be turned on and off from the DVD player?
Switcheable subtitles can't be done on VCD. Only permanent, as part of the picture. Closed captions can, and I wish I knew how to do it . The VCD 2.0 specifies the file names to be added in a directory of the VCD structure, but I have tried to find the actual data format for CCs without success
I've been all over Philip's site and the net, and I haven't seen anyone who actually has a VCD with CC

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01-07-2003, 06:13 PM
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It is really weird, don't you think.

Because if you copy the movie to your VCR, the captions stay with the recorded program on the VHS tape...

He he he he.... Maybe another project to thinker...

Thanks...

But, how about SVCD ?
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01-07-2003, 06:20 PM
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But, how about SVCD ?
On SVCD, yes you can, but then only some players support it
Look here: http://www.vcdhelp.com/subsvirtual.htm

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01-07-2003, 07:24 PM
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I have used the svcd subtitles in dvd2svcd in te past and find that it doesn't work ever, how do I get selectable subtitles in svcds without using dvd2svcd??
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01-07-2003, 07:57 PM
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The problem is not DVD2SVCD. It's the standalone DVD players that don't support the switchable subs on SVCDs.

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01-08-2003, 05:23 AM
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I have used the svcd subtitles in dvd2svcd in te past and find that it doesn't work ever, how do I get selectable subtitles in svcds without using dvd2svcd??
First, you rip the subtitles with SubRip. You need to rip the bmp's, no need to OCR like when you do a Divx. You'll end with a bunch of bitmaps, and a .sub file, that is a text file that tells when and where each bitmap is to be shown in the movie. Open this file and remove all headers and comments, leaving just the bmp lines.

Next, you take your multiplexed mpg (and with pulldown applied, if you used CCE) and run WinSubMux. You give it the name of your mpg, the name of the sub file, and chose to mux as CVD or SVCD style. It will output a subbed version of your mpg.

You can't see the subs in any software player. You need to burn it and watch in a standalone. VCDEasy will detect the subs if you use it.

Some players (like mine - Philco DV-P2500) work with CVD style subs, some work with SVCD style subs, some just don't work at all. I suggest you do two short clips, mux one with CVD style, the other with SVCD style, and try it in your player, before doing a full movie.

Note: suppose you have a movie with SVCD style subs that you've done with DVD2SVCD and you find out that your player only supports CVD style subs (or vice-versa), and you don't have access to the source anymore. You can "rip" the mpeg from the CD, extract the subs with vob2sub, demux/remux the mpg, and use WinSubMux to insert the right style subs for you.

Note2: If you mux a mpeg-1 video as SVCD, you can use WinSubMux to add subtitles. At least in my player it does work.

Another note: the sub bitmaps are another stream added to your movie and so you need to take the space they will use in account when doing file size prediction (FitCD can do an estimation, or you can use the actual file size of the BMPs).
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The problem is not DVD2SVCD. It's the standalone DVD players that don't support the switchable subs on SVCDs.

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I don't get the switchable subs on my dvd player or my pc
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GFR: I will give that a try gfr and let you if it works for me.
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I don't get the switchable subs on my dvd player or my pc
I think that currently there are no PC software players that can display non-permanent (switchable, that is) subtitles.
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01-08-2003, 07:39 AM
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Hi GFR !
Switchable subs sound perfect !
I tryed that with SVCD some time ago but can't got them work !
I used I-author for preparing SVCD with subs .
It'll be great if anybody could give us samle of SVCD's or CVD's with switchable subs(for download) just to check if our DVDplayer can play them
I hope to get any response
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01-08-2003, 07:53 AM
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I couldn't get I-Author to work too. But with winsubmux it works OK.

I can post a cue/bin with two short samples, CVD and SVCD, if someone offers the space to host it.
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01-08-2003, 08:04 AM
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On the other hand, if you have I-Author, you can mux a SVCD still (704x480) with mp2 for a high resolution menu with background music or a music album with high resolution background images (like the WinOnCD thing, but with the option of using HeadAch3 to create the mp2). When authoring with VCDEasy remember to add a dummy short movie, since you can't have a SVCD with stills only.
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ok, tried muxing in winsubmix but it keeps saying " is not a valid interger value what does that mean and how do I stop it?

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edit: just done a test through dvd2svcd with svcd subtitles didn't work, tried it with cvd subtitles also didn't work, I processed the mpg through vcdeasy and it detected the vcd and svcd style subtitles and nothing still. Anyone know why?
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On the other hand, if you have I-Author, you can mux a SVCD still (704x480) with mp2 for a high resolution menu with background music or a music album with high resolution background images (like the WinOnCD thing, but with the option of using HeadAch3 to create the mp2). When authoring with VCDEasy remember to add a dummy short movie, since you can't have a SVCD with stills only.

YEAH, i've done that too in my last kvcd, a menu with background music, using bbmpeg dough.
Captured the still with windvd, changed to mpeg with vcdeasy and mux mp2 ( made with headache ) to the fake mpeg, it get's pretty cool in the menu.
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On the other hand, if you have I-Author, you can mux a SVCD still (704x480) with mp2 for a high resolution menu with background music or a music album with high resolution background images (like the WinOnCD thing, but with the option of using HeadAch3 to create the mp2). When authoring with VCDEasy remember to add a dummy short movie, since you can't have a SVCD with stills only.

YEAH, i've done that too in my last kvcd, a menu with background music, using bbmpeg dough.
Captured the still with windvd, changed to mpeg with vcdeasy and mux mp2 ( made with headache ) to the fake mpeg, it get's pretty cool in the menu.
yeah,seems
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01-09-2003, 05:11 AM
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>>ok, tried muxing in winsubmix but it keeps saying " is not a valid interger value what does that mean and how do I stop it?

You have to strip all the headers in the sub file, leaving only the sub bmp lines.

Also make sure your mpeg is multiplexed as SVCD.
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01-09-2003, 06:21 AM
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>>ok, tried muxing in winsubmix but it keeps saying " is not a valid interger value what does that mean and how do I stop it?

You have to strip all the headers in the sub file, leaving only the sub bmp lines.

Also make sure your mpeg is multiplexed as SVCD.
Can i use my kvcd mpeg1 files and multiplex in bbMPEG as SVCD? How much files get bigger?
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>>Can i use my kvcd mpeg1 files and multiplex in bbMPEG as SVCD?

Yes you can, I did Woodstock as 352x240 mpeg-1 LBR and added the subtitles, works fine (in my player).

>>How much files get bigger?
You can simulate this with FitCD. Choose the muxer, the number of audio tracks, the number of subtitles and get an approximation of the size left for video.
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>>ok, tried muxing in winsubmix but it keeps saying " is not a valid interger value what does that mean and how do I stop it?

You have to strip all the headers in the sub file, leaving only the sub bmp lines.

Also make sure your mpeg is multiplexed as SVCD.

how do Istrip all headers in the sub file?
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